Wrestleknownothing

54 minutes ago, JimmyCinnabon said:

 

There is no guarantee that he will win that gold medal, though. The WWE offers something that international competition cant, and that's the guaranteed money. He doesn't have to legitimately beat someone in WWE to get paid that $1,000,000. 

The part I still do not get is qualifying for the world team and then not going. The theory is that WWE stopped him, which explains the not going part, but fails to explain the qualifying part. To then be dropped down to the deepest backwaters of non-televised, non-recorded, almost non-existent WWE is just confounding.

And I get that these are all outcome based judgements. He certainly would not have expected this outcome when he made his decision. But given the outcome, I have to wonder if he regrets his decision. Qualifying for the world championships might suggest the answer is yes.

1 hour ago, wrestle87 said:

Close but still no for me bc Zain started at 141, giving that weight a lot more establishment and roads to success.  

My analysis is if I had a child at this weight, where do I think they would be most likely to reach the pinnacle of the sport? 

Having typed that, I have to grenade all of this and ask…do we factor gilman’s growth into this? 

I included Retherford's one year at 141 in the totals.

But if you give 141 credit for what Retherford did at 149, then 149 becomes weaker than 133. And if you use the same logic for Molinaro, 149 becomes weaker than 125.

I do not factor Gilman in because if there was any growth it happened post-collegiately which makes it real hard to compare baby face Gilman to the current version.

2 minutes ago, ionel said:

Nope.

Persuasive.

2 hours ago, ionel said:

To the one question: no its a different sport.

Cael puts out a great product but he is growing his kingdom not supporting or growing NCAA wrestling.  Review the national duals etc.

MI and tOSU are similar.  Yes one is mostly grad transfers the other incoming recruits.  But when you have kids with options but offered $100/200k for a one year grad transfer or half million for 5 year out of high school they mightve really wanted to consider other options but its mostly now about the money.  And everyone knows most programs can't compete with the MI, PSU and tOSU money.

Sure that train has left the station, Cael threw the first coal in the boilers but there's only a small handful of programs that can keep up.  It destroyed the 9.9 parity and it isn't growing the sport.  But maybe we don't really want to grow the sport as we'd really rather go to NCAAs every year just to see PSU double the score of a possible 3 teams vying for second?

 

I think a lot of these numbers are urban legend.

12 minutes ago, PortaJohn said:

So @Wrestleknownothing is actually Larry Lee?

I am having a hard time reading this, my glasses are broken....oops, I have said too much.

15 minutes ago, wrestle87 said:

If that was the only point of the tournament there would be no wrestlebacks and wrestlers and coaches wouldn’t be losing their minds during quarters and the blood round. 

Now back to the original point. Isn't 133 the exact same under Sanderson as 141?

Under Sanderson PSU has the same number of AA's (4) who have earned the same number of AA spots (7) and the same number of titles (2) with the same number of 4x AAs (1) at 133 and 141. 

Now we are up to 4 numbers. I can keep going.

9 minutes ago, wrestle87 said:

They do at 125 and heavyweight as well under Cael.  Care to keep going with that equivalency, or shall we look a little deeper than just one number?

Sure, keep going.

You sure about the highlighted?

Besides, its a pretty important number. Like it is the point of the exercise, the reason they hold the tournament, to find that just one number.

Does anyone know:

1. When the Pan Am Olympic Games Qualifier challenges need to be in by,

2. When the challenge tournament would be?

3. And in the case of multiple challengers, will the tournament among challengers be the same day as the best of three against the 2023 World Team Member?

3 hours ago, bnwtwg said:

Still better than the most overhyped 4x NCAA champ and world champ* American wrestler ever.

Still third-best 4x NCAA champ behind Cael and Dake, definitively ahead of Smith, currently ahead of Starocci and Brooks assuming they pull it off. I give Brooks a 4x without an asterisk because Zahid hit the slopes prior to covid and Brooks would have likely won his frosh year in his absence.

Not bad company.

I have Diakomihalis fifth best 4xer behind Sanderson, Steiber, Dake, and Smith if only college careers are considered.

50 minutes ago, wrestle87 said:

I think we can all agree at this point, if you are 141 or up, Penn State is your room.  For whatever reason, the formula just doesn’t translate to the little guys.  What works for big guys gets the little guys hurt, worn out, and seemingly burnt out.

I hope Cael’s dialing up Nico to find out how he was able to do it, bc they’ve been wrestling with 9 weight classes since then.

Doesn't Penn State have the same number of titles at 133 as 141?

@andegre?

I think we can safely say it will not be Texas A&M to next add wrestling.

After firing Jimbo Fisher and triggering a $76+ million buyout (with no offsets if he gets another job. Huh?) and probably having to pay assistant coaches to leave and pay new coaches to come in, it will likely cost the school north of $100 million to fire a coach slightly above .500 (19-15 overall, 10-13 against the SEC, 12-14 against Power 5) since signing this very reasonable, and totally worth it, contract.

But, let's face it, the real problem with college athletics is athletes transferring, collecting NIL payments, and betting on women's college basketball.

3 hours ago, MPhillips said:

I can see you-
Your brown skin shinin' in the sun
You got that hair slicked back and those Wayfarers on, baby.

Those kids don't knownothing...

I am equal parts worried and at peace. Worried that you knew my wife's favorite lyric in her favorite song. But at peace since you clearly do not know me and my glow in the dark pasty Irish ass.

1 hour ago, ionel said:

 

Really enjoyed the "wrestle know nothing era." 

That dude never had an era. Ask my kids.

1 minute ago, 1032004 said:

Crookham looks big for 133

Even bigger after those two wins.

1 hour ago, Gus said:

I really enjoyed the “Robbie Howard is a lock to Aaa era.”

I really enjoyed the claiming an era that was never claimed to be an era era is over.

Edit: Doh, then I read that antitroll actually did say that. My apologies, Gus. But I will leave it out there rather than delete.

10 minutes ago, gromit said:

Didn't Messenbrink already burn his chance for the OLY RS when he enrolled at PSU for Fall semester? I'm unclear about the rule.

I do not think so. There was nothing I could find in the Olympic RS criteria that suggests an athlete must not be enrolled. 

12 minutes ago, Gantry said:

He also wrestled two teammates, where it's often much harder to score a TD. 

Yep. I still hope he goes the entire season without getting or giving a TD while finishing with a winning record and qualifying for the NCAA tournament. In a year where TDs have been granted 50% more points, it would be a true demonstration of dominance.

3 minutes ago, Gantry said:

Also beat Cal Baptist in the dual 2-0 without a TD. 

Good point.

Against D1 competition he has gone 3 straight without a TD, but is still 2-1 in that stretch as he has also not allowed a TD.

Can he keep it up for the entire season? God, I hope so.

3 minutes ago, headshuck said:

What’s the streaming viewership?

House shows are not streamed, taped, or televised. They are the backwater's backwater.

1 minute ago, Pinnacle said:

Who won? The car or the stop sign?

The car.

Also of note, Voinovich won his semi 2-1 in TB-1. Two matches, plus two overtimes without an offensive point. Oof.

That crowd musr be four, maybe five people deep. Must be nerve racking.

17 minutes ago, Laxhawk174 said:

3 stall calls on Voinovich (2 in neutral 1st period, 1 on top 2nd period) giving Ferrari 2 points, and 1 escape point for Voinovich. 

Sounds like a real barn burner.

And how wild is it to score 33 and NOT get the tech?