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18 minutes ago, Bulwark said:

That's interesting: You drag Yianni down and then "further clarify" that your "intent" is to cheer for him. Nice.

BTW, among the 4-timers, is Yianni the only one who won a world medal while still in college. Granted he extended college quite a bit, but still.

I love numbers. And when you love numbers, you also love outliers. Yianni is absolutely, 100% an outlier. You can believe my motives, or not. But, it doesn't make Yianni's situation any less interesting.

1 minute ago, PortaJohn said:

 

You & @flyingcementavatar bet 1.5 point spread (Carr)...Let's make it the first official bet on the new forum.

That ship has sailed

1 minute ago, Husker_Du said:

@Ban Basketball do you owe for a previous wager?

that's bannable now by the by laws hereto set forth by King Brain. 

You start calling yourself King Brain and Indianamat is starting to look better.

The other Dan device when he is shown to be wrong - "if true" - has made an appearance.

Say it in four.

I feel a need to further clarify my intent here.

I want Yianni Diakomihalis to win a fourth title, because I want there to be beautiful things in the world. And winning four titles would be beautiful. I also want Spencer Lee to win a fourth title for the same reason, and because two four timers in the same year would double the beauty. (And Fix with a fourth second would not be displeasing from a symmetry perspective).

But there is also a part of me that wants Yianni to win all of his matches by a single point, and not because he is not dominant. No, I want him to win by a single point to prove his dominance. He can call the score before each match, and then demonstrate complete mastery and control by delivering that exact score each time. His opponents' will and desires will be irrelevant. That would be a Uetake level of dominance, and who would not celebrate that?

7 minutes ago, VakAttack said:

He has limited his pool of AAs to people who were AAs the year they were beaten.

Red was an AA 2019

7 minutes ago, Brooklyn Dodger said:

Here is a chart showing Dake, Yianni and Spencer Lee in their tournament bouts. No surprise that Lee has the most bonus wins, but Dake and Yianni faced more AAs (that is AAs from they year the champs beat them) along the way. Dake also had one pin than Lee, not even counting his senior year, which Lee has not had yet and when Dake had no pins. Both Dake and Yianni had a fair number of close wins.

I didn't go through everything, but it looks like you are missing some AAs for at least Lee and Diakomihalis. I think Lee has wrestled 9 AAs and Diakomihalis 10. For example, Josh Heil is a two time champ, but you do not have him listed as an AA. And Chad Red is a 4 time AA (some say 3, but they bore me). And Zach Sherman is a 1 time AA.

25 minutes ago, Crotalus said:

I agree. I think winning 4 titles puts you amongst the most dominant college wrestlers ever, bonus points or not. But I found it ironic to argue that Dake was more dominant than he is given credit for using a data point that shows he was less dominant than Yianni in a thread that was knocking Yianni's lack of dominance.

To be clear, I am not knocking Yianni's lack of dominance, I am pointing out how unique his dominance is.

I did some deeper digging.

In the ~32 man bracket era (1967 to present) there have been 135 wrestlers who have won multiple titles. Among those 135 only 2 have had fewer bonus points than titles.

• Kurt Angle had 2 titles and only 1 bonus point (though there were not full wrestle backs his freshman year) between 1988 and 1992.
• And Dean Heil did the deed, amassing 0 bonus points on the way to his 2 titles between 2015 and 2018.

4 minutes ago, Crotalus said:

So Dake was less dominant than Yianni, who's lack of dominance is the impetus for this thread?

Two different criteria. Yianni is more dominant in the regular season than Dake was and Dake was more dominant at the NCAA tournament than Yianni has been. 

That said, lack of dominance is a bad description to give to a three (probably four) timer when the point of the exercise is to become a three (probably four) timer.

12 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said:

This weekend.

Not cool taking someone else's line. I know. Ask @jross

2 minutes ago, Brooklyn Dodger said:

How many bonus points did Dake have?

13

1 minute ago, Brooklyn Dodger said:

Yianni is more a winner than a pinner. That's indisputable. But so what?

I find it fascinating that he has fewer bonus points than NCAA titles. That in no way minimizes his three titles. And he has to be a very large favorite to win a fourth, but the fact is he is doing it in a way that no one else ever has.

24 minutes ago, BigRedFan said:

It becomes comprehensible when you look at the incomprehensible number of AAs he's had to face (a total of 25 AAs in three tournaments.  Compare to Spencer Lee with 18).  I looked it up some time ago.  That, and the fact that nobody this past tournament actually wrestled to try to beat him.

This year will be different.

("almost is a synonym for 'not'")

Fine, let's use your framework.

How many bonus points has Yianni Diakomihalis scored against AAs? Zero.

How many has Spencer Lee scored against AAs? 7.

And Yianni has had more opportunities (10 vs 9).

No matter how you split it 2 bonus points in 15 NCAA matches is historically low.

16 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said:

On a related note, placement points should be cut in half.

I disagree. That would increase the relative value of bonus points and back side advancement points (and yes, front side advancement points too).  Without looking it up, I assume most bonus points per match are scored in the early rounds, aka the easiest matches.

But the point of the exercise is to win five. That should always outweigh the manner in which you win them.

6 minutes ago, Jason Bryant said:

Yianni’s streak is 75.

Kemp’s wiki applies current rules to results that counted at the time. I have his entire record in a doc after he called me in 2018 wondering why he wasn’t listed in ESPN’s graphic

Wrestling records in published reports are almost always suspect in the pre-computerization era due to wrestling’s penchant for absolutely stupid rules on what does and doesn’t count. Also, streaks that bridge the era of divisional splits also adds confusion, such as some athletes that competed in the college division, D2 and D3 included and others who did the same excluded. 

I’ve been trying to validate win streaks for years and it’s not easy. I’ve got a pretty robust list on my computer (it might also be accessible via a subscriber link but I’d have to double check) 

yeah, but why aren't you including Yianni's tournament wins?

1 minute ago, Bulwark said:

And why is that? Has Yianni ever ducked anyone?

 

I made the same argument over on the forum that shall remain nameless, and some of the faithful said they doubted he wrestles Cliff Keen. I know what I don't know, so I am not speculating, just sharing.

4 minutes ago, Bulwark said:

Anyway, if Yianni win his first 26, which looks to include the Cliff Keen and the National Collegiate Duals, he'll be able to claim the second longest D1 win streak ever.

Those in the know seem to be skeptical that he will wrestle Cliff Keen. Regardless of the total, it has been an amazing career.

In three tournaments Yianni Diakomihalis has scored an almost incomprehensible two total bonus points.

Does he get more titles than bonus points for his career?

6 minutes ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

I think Penn State wins the team title this year comfortably.  Iowa will take second.

Boy, did you lose your edge while you were away.

5 minutes ago, Pish said:

I prefunded mine as well.  Made it $25 so I get 4-1. 

Good man. I hope you win.

5 minutes ago, ionel said:

Admit it, you are a water rat not a mat rat.

In the immortal words of Rene Descartes, "I swam, therefore I am."

At least that is what I think he said.

2 hours ago, Fadzaev2 said:

You can vote once a day.  Fadz

https://www.teamusa.org/USA-Wrestling/Features/2022/October/27/Jordan-Burroughs-Sullivan-Award-finalist

But Katie Ledecky is a nominee, too. The internal conflict threatens to tear me apart.