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12 minutes ago, Idaho said:

I can think of a few people who will definitely bat an eye if he goes from finalist to DNP. 

they might even flap their gums.

2018 had a couple strong ones.

125 - Four wrestlers who would go on to win 7 titles (with a shot at an 8th) in Spencer Lee(3, maybe 4), Nick Suriano (2), Nathan Tomasello (1), and Darian Cruz (1)

141 - Three wrestlers who would win 7 titles (with a shot at an 8th) with each taking multiple titles in Diakomihalis (3, maybe 4), Heil (2), and Lee (2).

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1 hour ago, GnarlyEar said:

You’re missing Caitlyn Chase slotted between Gomez and Assad 

I have repented for my sins.

2 hours ago, bnwtwg said:

Caitlyn Chase deserves very strong consideration for her contributions at GBN

You are absolutely right, and shame on me as she was there when my kids were there.

If we rank based on HS achievements I think the list looks very different.

1. Chase (first woman in IL HS history to qualify for the state tournament),
2. Cortez (one of only 13(?) four timers, with 3 at GN),
3. Ramos (3 timer),
4. Gomez (3 timer) (tied for 3rd?),
5. Assad (2 timer).

16 minutes ago, Le duke said:

 

You’re from Carol Stream? Small world. I went to Wheaton North. Wrestled Austin’s uncle Joe a long, long time ago. Went to prom at GN once and got the stink eye from a couple of people.


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Until recently the only town in America named after a living person. Small world.

From my kids' high school: 1.) Tony Ramos, 2.) Austin Gomez, 3.) Abe Assad, 4.) Jered Cortez

@AuntAnnie I like to look at percentage of titles won rather than just count. There have been 22 wrestlers finish at 100% in the NCAA championships (3 for 3 in the non-freshman eligible eras, and 4 for 4 in the freshman eligible eras).

Of those twenty-two, two took a lose in the year they won their final title: Wayne Martin was 11-1 in 1936 and Larry Hayes was 17-1 in 1961.

So it is not without precedence.

11 minutes ago, AuntAnnie said:

I am for Messi, though he lost his first game of the World Cup, and I am for Yianni, though he
lost his first match of the season.

Losing one match does not mean he won’t win the NCAA tournament. In the last two full
seasons (2018-18 and 2018-2019) just six of 20 champs went undefeated. Eight of the 20
champs had two losses or more. (Even Yianni took a loss one year.)

2018   2019  
Champ Losses Champ Losses
Lee 2 Lee 3
Gross 1 Suriano 3
Diakomihalis 1 Diakomihalis 0
Retherford 0 Ashnault 0
Nolf 1 Nolf 0
Joseph 2 Lewis 2
Valencia 0 Valenca 2
Nickal 0 Foster 5
Macchiavell
o 3 Nickal 0
Snyder 1 Cassar 1

While all the previous four-time champs went undefeated as seniors, many three-time champs
took losses in their final championship season. Of the last 20 three-timers, seven had losses in
their year they won their third title.

Champ College Year Losses
Carr Iowa State 1983 1
Schultz Oklahoma 1983 0
Zalesky Iowa 1984 0
Davis Iowa 1985 1
Bonomo Bloomsburg 1987 2
Brands Iowa 1992 1
Jaworsky North Carolina 1995 0
McIlravy Iowa 1997 0
Williams Iowa 1998 0
Guerrero Oklahoma State 1999 0
Abas Fresno State 2002 0
Jones West Virginia 2005 0
Rosholt Oklahoma State 2006 4
Ruth Penn State 2014 1
Cox Missouri 2017 0

Dieringer Oklahoma State 2016 0
Snyder Ohio State 2018 1
Retherford Penn State 2018 0
Nolf Penn State 2019 0
Nickal Penn State 2019 0

So an early loss is hardly the kiss of death.

A tip: when copy/pasting a table from Excel or Word, it is best to paste into an empty Word doc using Paste Special>Picture(U) and then copy the picture from Word into this website.

24 minutes ago, nhs67 said:

How is Parris a 5% chance to AA?

Apparently he transferred to Northern Iowa?

Or I accidentally pasted in the UNI table. How is this?

Probability of AA by weight along with the expected number of AAs

Probability of AA by weight along with the expected number of AAs

Probability of AA by weight along with the expected number of AAs

Probability of AA by weight along with the expected number of AAs

Probability of AA by weight along with the expected number of AAs

On 11/26/2022 at 8:45 AM, Idaho said:

Interesting…. Being an OSUw fan I would have thought we would have a positive number with Belton and Olguin improving their ranking 

looking forward to the first shake up in Vegas! 

OSUw breakdown:

7 minutes ago, dragit said:

I don't think injury cost them a team title.  Wasn't it:

2020:  Their best team.  Legit juggernaut.  Covid wipes out NCAAs, definitely cost them a team title.

2021:  Same guys but lose likely finalist in Lugo, and (1) some injury issues; and (2) Penn State much better after very quick rebuild.  Iowa wins team title, but somewhat anticlimactic with only one champ and PSU with four, including two head to heads over Iowa.

2022:  Mostly same crew eligible, but Lee's 25 points wiped out by redshirt and Kemerer/Eierman/Cass injuries affect their placements.  But that likely costs them second rather than third with PSU's five champs and other points.

You are correct, I should have said HR feels injury stole it in 2022. It was the same core of guys from 2020 to 2022.

38 minutes ago, ionel said:

Yeah pretty certain this not but if you could provide the OK data I could make a better argument above. 

Course if you know nothing about where these data came from then that makes sense also. 

You are welcome

6 minutes ago, ionel said:

is ^^^ this ^^^ Oklahoma data?  

Since I assume you can't prove its not, then, sure, yeah, Oklahoma OK.

20 minutes ago, Husker_Du said:

ah yes. you're right. i forgot about that last year.

M* was walking wounded one year too (i think his SR year)

that being said, everyone is hurt in post season.

Nolf was. Cassar lost a year. Kerk was going through so stuff. etc. 

Agreed. It is a sport where injury is a near guarantee, so we should not be surprised when there are injuries. The difference is probably that none of those injuries cost PSU a team title.

For Iowa in 2021 I think it is less about the fact of individual injury and more about them all happening together such that it cost Iowa a team title. Or at least that is the way some of the HR community see it. First, COVID stole their back-to-back in 2020, then injury stole it in 2021.

1 hour ago, Husker_Du said:

Tom Brands is a sharp dude. While they have seemingly experienced a rash of injuries, i don't think for one second that it's b/c of Tom's methods.  1) Tom's too smart for that and 2) think of the group w/ McDonough, Ramos, Metcalf, etc. none of them ever missed time and they were as just as much 'run through a wall' types as any of these guys. 

Actually let's take inventory or Iowa's injuries

1) Spencer (but he still won 3 so they didn't miss any points at all)

2) Murin wore an arm brace for a short period of time but he didn't experience any drop in ability 

3) Kemerer - could certainly argue his placements could have been higher - particularly the years he took 6th and 5th - but i also don't think it was shocking. 174 last year was crazy last year and he lost to CStarr when he was healthy.  

is that it? who am i missing? Nelson, i guess but he's kinda been in a platoon most of his career.

 

 

 

Last year:

Eierman - Probably has as much to do with his style as anything. If you are always giving up the leg, there is a greater chance the leg gets hurt?

Cassioppi - finished 7th after projecting in the 2nd - 5th range.

17 minutes ago, ionel said:

You could say that about every state if you dig up all the various small colleges & junior colleges.  What percent of their major state D1 universities have wrestling?

Objection, Your Honor. Asked and answered (on the other board, but still)

22 minutes ago, ionel said:

Wait ... what?!  

The thing that always annoys me about that pic, is that they stole the idea from my wife and I.

3 minutes ago, Idaho said:

If we move up 2 spots each week we should be #1 by late Feb. 

ISU by the numbers @Crablegs

two notes: I do not have the 11/15 intermat rankings and I updated the probabilities in early November so you see a slight change in 197 that has nothing to do with a rank change.