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He was a #2 seed in 1964. Suspect seeding that year. The #1 seed was 0-2 BBQ.

I cannot argue with that. Access is too precious, and it is granted, not paid for.

Got it. I am guessing there are limits even in real media. You did not see Deshaun Watson doing any interviews. But media companies that wrote about his sexual assault accusations and settlements did not face any kind of ban or embargo.

You are going to have to connect those dots for me because I don't get the connection.

The real Gene Mills would know better than to mess with a swimmer near a pool.

And in the mainstream sports media companies pay a lot of money for broadcast rights. Part of those deals is that athletes, coaches, etc. have to be available to the media or face fines and sanctions. Super Bowl media day is a perfect example. No one is there voluntarily. They are there because the media companies provide the lion's share of the revenue and can command their presence. That dynamic does not exist in wrestling. And that dynamic does not exist for content creators.

We have our friend @jchapman to thank. He asked a question about the 1946 tournament so I pulled up the 1947 guide and found that gem. While not exactly proof of your theory, the 1948 guide has no reference to water wrestling. Who are we kidding? That is ironclad proof. RIP.

even if your not.

Just one to go.

In my day the biggest insult you could lay on a swimmer was to call him a diver.

Don't make me come over there and water wrestle you....

By being dumb. He jumped off the 10m platform and landed wrong. At the Trials. What was he thinking?

@jchapman - One To Rule Them All. Keep going.

And I think I would have been really good at this, too. I was a distance swimmer. Gas tank was not an issue. As we used to say, when the going gets tough, the sprinters get out. I could not float. Still can't. So I have gotten very comfortable being under water. My coach was also my lifeguard instructor. He was also the second fastest 200 butterflyer behind Mark Spitz in his day (broke his ribs at the 1972 Oly Trials). During our certification test we had to "save" him. If you did not secure the hold correctly he would attempt to drown you. Even if you did secure the hold correctly he would attempt to drown you, but at least you could survive with the correct hold if you refused to give up. Did I mention he was a world class butterflyer? His shoulders were as wide as a pool lane. The right hold involved maneuvering behind him, getting his shoulder lodged in your armpit, locking your arms around his body, and pulling him in tight to your chest, while he flailed like a panicked drowning person who was also a recently retired world class swimmer. He did not drown me.

I guess it was pre-ordained that I become a wrestling fan. It just took me this long to find out. From the 1947 Official Wrestling Guide: ------------------------------------------------------------ Water Wrestling By CHARLES McCAFFREE, Jr. Editor, Official Swimming Guide Water wrestling from the standpoint of the wrestler may be characterized as employing all of the legal and illegal hold and breaks of intercollegiate wrestling and hand-to-hand combat. It has three characteristics which are not found in regular wrestling: most of the breaks, defensive and offensive techniques, are performed in the vertical position; the leverage enjoyed by the mat is not present,. the only substitute for this leverage being obtained by placing foot, knee or other leverage points on the opponent's body as the hold is applied; the body is Usually submerged and demands breath control and closing the nostrils and mouth while applying holds and making breaks. If played for keeps, water wrestling is mayhem, or even murder. There is no place a man is more uncomfortable and helpless than in the water unless he has mastered the fundamentals of watermanship and swimming. A strong, well-conditioned wrestler is at such a disadvantage in the water, unless he is skilled in water work, that it is really tragic that our boys are not taught watermanship and swimming at an early age. A man on the mat may suffer defeat or broken limbs, but in the water, he may lose his life. Water wrestling is the most advanced stage of training in the water beyond watermanship, swimming and diving, life saving and water safety. The unconventional, the unorthodox, the unexpected may happen to a man in the water, as his opponent is not governed by rules, but by that driving force to survive at all cost. A man about to drown does not consider his opponent in a rational way, but grabs hold and does everything within his power to keep himself afloat at the expense of his would-be rescuer or anyone else at hand. Each and every man should be schooled in watermanship, swimming and diving, life saving, and water safety to be capable of warding off an opponent and taking care of himself in the water. Equipped with this knowledge and ability, water wrestling becomes second nature to him and except for the advanced defensive and offensive skills, he will most likely be capable of countkring almost any hold put on him. The same satisfaction of outmaneuvering a man and pinning him is enjoyed in this water activity. In time of war the key word in the water is survival-Take Care of Yourself First and then, if you have the ability, save your adversary. The whole water world has been schooled for years in life saving and water safety skills and it seems unjust now to throw overboard all of those techniques if in conjunction with survival they can be mastered. A two-fold purpose is our teaching goal: break free yourself from any water hold, and then, if possible and if you are capable, save your opponent. The field of water wrestling combines the techniques of water safety, life saving, judo and hand-to-hand combat. All of the techniques should be carefully taught and skillfully applied in practice to avoid injury. The novice should not attempt to use these techniques before he has acquired a measure of all around watermanship and swimming ability, otherwise .a tenseness of the muscles and mental fear is called forth, which is some- times hard to overcome.

Three down. Three to go. Nice work.

There was no seeding in the 1946 tournament. Being the first post-war tournament the site was only chosen 6 weeks in advance. There were "only a few entries from the Eastern institutions largely on account of the early war-time schedules which were still in operation in that section. The Eastern Intercollegiate Wrestling Association Championships were held on February 8 and 9; hence it could not be reasonably expected that contestants from this section would remain in condition for another six weeks after their wrestling season was over." So, sorry Dave Arndt, but you are out on a war-time technicality.

Yes, that was the easier of the two. But not easy.

Boom and kaboom. Well done.

11986 for the win. Now we have two of the four timers. Who can get the other two. One is easier than the other.

Can you be more specific? Happel, Valencia, Swensen, McCormick, Carlson or some other guy?

You are on a roll. It gets tougher from here. And to answer your question, after two years at Bismarck State College, Brock Lesnar wrestled two years for Minnesota finishing second in 1999 as the #2 seed and first in 2000 as the #1 seed.

OK, so there is another?

He is one of the seven, yes.

Mitchell Mesenbrink