boconnell

It's fine if you think it's not narratively relevant. It's fine if you think his self importance makes him less interesting. It's great to have opinions even when they are wrong. He is clearly relevant. We have pages of comments across multiple threads. We have multiple people taking the time to post how much they don't care. It is clear he isn't irrelevant to the 2024-2025 college wrestling season. I also think it's hilarious that you think his self importance makes him less interesting. Everything in sports tells us that the more self interested you are, the more people care what happens to you. If Gable could get his self interest up to Ferrari levels, this thread might be twice as long. But if you mean that you won't root for him or you will try to ignore him, then that makes sense. But you repeatedly and passionately posting to tell us how you don't care doesn't send the message you think it does.

What? Like seriously, what?

What a ridiculous way to look at things. Because he's the best he's not interesting. I think everything about sports tells us this is not true. There is a pretty direct connection between how much an individual or team wins and how many people find them interesting enough to watch/click/follow/etc... But if you think the best wrestlers aren't interesting, that's okay. There are lots of guys who aren't the best that you can watch.

Being the favorite for a national title isn't relevant? I seriously don't understand this.

This is super exciting. I'm not sure how one of the best young guys of all time returning could be less than exciting. Especially with a defending champ in his weight. And it probably indicates he will resume wrestling for the USA at a time when we didn't have a single champ. And somehow people want to downplay it?

To take this overly emotional analogy a step further, can he immorally sneak in and steal her if she was getting what she needed in the first place?

Good for Cornell. I think everybody else's recruits are fair game long after they step on campus these days.

Isn't like half of the Cornell team enrolled in the Ag program?

My favorite college football story is Eric Dickerson getting a corvette to commit to A&M and then driving that car to his signing with SMU. A&M had no recourse to recover the illegally gifted car.

It's just that kids never flipped their commitments in the past. This is a new problem that has everyone concerned.

Why is that hard to believe? Don't all PA studs fall along and between those outcomes (none or some NCAA titles)?

Derek White from RS to Senior 6-3 4-3 11-8 23-4 30-2 lost in the finals

Fans always get progressively worse the more you win. I root for a professional team that has won a couple of titles after a long period of being bad. The fan base is insufferable and absolutely believes they are entitled to winning everything. It is human nature. Win enough and your fans get awful (or at least a large chunk of them).

Okay. You didn't say any of the stuff you said if it's important to you. Either way I made it far more important than I should have and replied far too many times already. Sorry for being difficult and I'll let it drop here.

DT certainly didn't say he wants to go out on a high note and he might not go to worlds because of that. DT's comments said he didn't want to end on the down note of losing at the OTT. BAC said winning trials might be enough of a high note to end things on. You took that and created that he somehow doesn't want to lose at Worlds. Then you commented on how the thing you created doesn't seem like DT.

So you made it up and then judged it not accurate. Awesome that you can be the source and the dismissal in the same post. Let me try. I think it's bad that Daton Fix eats puppies and I also think it's not Datonesque.

There was zero suggestion or discussion of him not going to worlds because he couldn't win. The discussion is about the different impact on his coaching from going to trials for a weekend vs leaving the country for a week plus to compete at worlds right before the season. I think it's great for OSU wrestling to have him go, but I get why it's two different discussions.

You can't seriously think that being a state champ in a weaker state isn't enough credentials to play a wrestler in a movie. You do realize the matches in the movie won't be real?

I agree. All of the one legged champions demonstrate how much of an advantage it is.

Not odd at all. I explained that they have a publicly stated coaching philosophy that coaches wrestle with the athletes as much as possible. Whether he makes the team or not, he will be wrestling with the athletes as much as possible through the end of October. If OSU had a competitor at 92 KG then I would have a problem with him competing. But right now he is doing exactly what he would be doing (wrestling with his athletes), and bringing positive attention to his program. It's obvious this is very positive for OSU wrestling. You making general statements about distraction doesn't change how this is a positive for OSU wrestling (as recognized by their AD and everyone around the program).

What coaching time is he missing? The new staff has pushed the idea that coaches wrestle with the team instead of sitting on the wall. Worlds are in 7 weeks. It seems like training for worlds will consist of him wrestling with his team a lot over the next 7 weeks. If he doesn't make the team it seems like he'd spend the next 7 weeks wrestling with his team. But I'm sure him and Cael will make note of you not being a fan and will give that the appropriate consideration.

I agree coaches are getting a lot. Some at least. I agree athletes are getting a lot. Some at least. I agree that schools aren't really getting anything other than whatever prestige comes with winning wrestling matches. I think if wrestling coaches and wrestlers are being rewarded, that's great. And if they are getting rewarded financially while not really producing anything financially, that's incredible.

I agree that this Iowa situation is the worst thing that can be done in the current rules. I also agree that it was far worse on athletes in the past. I think right now athletes can collect large amounts of money that is mostly based on their college affiliation. Nobody is paying those guys to wrestle after graduation. They are paying them specifically to be associated with the university. As for revenue split, you have a point in football or men's basketball. Wrestling produces no meaningful revenue, so any pay is far outside of a revenue split. Good college wrestlers are getting far more right now from being apart of a college wrestling team than the schools are getting from the arrangement.

It would have been. It also would have been easier for the schools that got jilted by guys leaving for Iowa. These transfers might be the worst it can get in the current system. It's still massively helping the athletes compared to situations of the past.