boconnell

That paddle is a serious weapon.

BJJ>Wrestling is not a given. BJJ doesn't work nearly as well when you're on cement, when the other guy can headbutt you from your guard, when you can get kicked and kneed while you're on the ground, and a number of other things. The BJJ practiced in competition has less direct application to a real fight than wrestling does, because the advantage of being on top in a real fight is much bigger than the advantage of being on top in a grappling competition. BJJ also loses some effectiveness if you don't walk around in real life wearing a Gi.

It's common knowledge that most of these guys have a hard cut that affects them. But it's not the reason he went up.

Since when is the cut why he was at 79KG? He lost to Dake and immediately went up. Did he grow right after that loss?

If duals don't matter than why were you yapping about how he wouldn't have won 10 duals? You can't bring something up and then whine about how it doesn't matter after you're wrong.

Nice dodge. They went 14-1 this year. There is zero chance Smith wouldn't have won 10 duals. You taking shots at him in retirement says a lot more about you than him.

Want to bet on whether they win 10 next year?

Same for me. it's interesting to think what Smith would have done in an era of more financial support, but it's crazy to see what Burroughs actually did. Especially with some of the USA talent he had to beat just to be there most years.

You continuously reply and then whine about me replying. Classic stuff. Regarding what you said, do you think matches where guys use steroids should count?

When you declared the guy who beat him was on steroids.

Scott was at 125 his first two years and he was still wrestling the Olympics at 132 four years after college. Where are you getting the idea that 133 was a massive cut for him? Oliver definitely had a year of cutting too much before bumping two weights. Marstellar chose to go down because it was the only way to make the team. If he stuck around I'm sure he would have gone up the instant Dieringer was gone. Since the Oliver at 133 year their team has been small and has cut very little weight. Tons of guys have moved up in weights since then. I assume a lesson was learned by killing Oliver. This year's team definitely wasn't cutting by college standards. Most of the team was small (including their two finalists).

Possibly but I doubt it. He was 2 when he won his first gold. That's a huge late start compared to the guys he would be competing with for best ever. It's hard to stack up titles like JB and Smith when you start winning that late.

The World championships occurred in 2023. That's why the post you quote says Sadulaev last year and Snyder now and highlights difference in their ages at those separate times.

I guess they won't be able to sign you as a recruit. Hopefully Scott and OSU can recover and find a way forward.

It's awesome that because the result doesn't fit what you believed before the match happened, that it must not count. The opponent must be juiced and Sad must be compromised.

Yep. Sad was 27 when he got crushed last year. Snyder is 29 now. That 1.5 years matters. Sadulaev was squarely in his crime and got crushed by a 20 year old. You can't be the GOAT with an unavenged loss like that in your prime.

Yep. I was talking about Sadulaev being in his prime. But Smith definitely quit competing young, and Snyder is sneakily older than he seems.

What are you basing the juiced stuff on? You can't declare a guy the best wrestler ever 7 months after he got crushed in his prime by a 20 year old.

What about the 20 year old who crushed Snyder and Sadulaev? Isn't it hard for Sad to be the greatest ever when that happened at the most recent worlds? That kind of dents the idea that Snyder is an all-timer stuck behind an all-timer.

I have no problem with him putting his personal twist. If he said the exact same thing during the match I don't care at all. If he said 'Welsh should be attacking that leg, I know I would' Who cares. That's what he's there for. But you seriously think a minute after the final while a guy is celebrating his 4th title is the moment for that? That he should be making it about himself in that moment? It's just an ego run amok moment. That moment wasn't about Jordan Burroughs in any way.

I agree that when a CB goes down in a football game they say they would go after the replacement. You're nuts if you think after the winning play of the super bowl, Tony Romo immediately says 'I could have thrown a TD against that injured CB or his replacement'. This isn't about contact sports or toughness or whether basketball is soft or wrestling is tough. This is about how you obviously don't make it about you when someone else wins a title that had nothing to do with you.

What a pointless answer. The idea that color commentators are infallible because they are there to provide inside info. I rooted for Daton Fix all weekend. He was there to score takedowns and win matches. But amazingly that didn't matter to Vito. He still lost when he did a bad job of scoring takedowns and winning matches. JB being hired to provide commentary doesn't make everything he says correct. When he provided inside info during the match about attacking the leg as a strategy, that was him doing his job. When he immediately made things about him after the match, that wasn't him doing his job. When you make things about yourself when they aren't about yourself, some people won't like it. That's fine. He's a big boy and he doesn't appear to be bothered by people being upset. I'm not sure why you need to play white knight for him and explain that he didn't do anything wrong.

Thanks for reminding me of that. Does that mean announcers are required to make things about themselves? Does that mean that in the moment after a great accomplishment, the guy paid to talk about the accomplishment should instead talk about himself and what he would do?

Absolutely. Without those losses he doesn't qualify for nationals and doesn't win number 4. So you can't pretend those losses away.