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He was not pulled over for criminal behavior, he was being pulled over for a moving violation, which is a civil infraction in Florida. All of these bootlicking arguments might make sense if they tried to have him get out for the car immediately, but they didn't, and these arguments about potential criminal infractions are NEVER brought up until later, after the video was released. They only escalated the situation (for the first time) because they didn't like his attitude. Then they told him to get out of the car WHICH HE WAS DOING and then they engaged him physically; after being ordered out of his car, he opened the door and within 1 second they have physically grabbed him for no reason other than the fact that they were annoyed by his lack of complete and utter immediate obedience and bowing. COps are not allowed to just grab you because they feel like it. They have to have a reasonable and articulable suspicion of a crime having occurred, which they did not and never alleged they did; that argument has been made by the bootlickers afterward. All cops have ever said, at least last I checked, was that he was uncooperative, which is not backed up at all by video. Later on he also gets grabbed by his neck and kicked, all while not having resisted physically in any way. Cops are allowed to pat you down for officer safety, but there's zero indication on the video that the multiple officers ever felt any sort of credible threat, nor is there any indication of a credible threat, nor did they ever do any sort of criminal investigation; all of that is just being added on post hoc by people that apparently want to argue that cops should be able to do whatever they want to citizens; they are not. They are supposed to DE-escalate situations, not make them 10x worse. You think cops can just put you in handcuffs every time they pull you over for speeding? They can't. And, legally, you are allowed to resist an arrest or detainment that is not lawful as long as you are not physically violent with the cops, which again, Hill was not, and he didn't even resist. Truly it's unbelievable what you all are comfortable happening to regular citizens who have not committed any crimes. Even if he had committed some sort of crime, there was no reason for the cops to make this physical. Period. End of story. They did it because they felt disrespected.

Yeah, that's what they say about Trump. A real master of strategy.

So is it like DraftKings - Politics?

What do you know about them? I've heard that it's a Peter Thiel-funded Nate Silver project, but admittedly haven't actually looked into that. I'm skeptical of Thiel, but Silver has some big hits. Any indication on the accuracy of their numbers?

61 kg: I'd put Blaze in tier 2. 70 kg: Tier 1 should be only Green and Pantaleo. Oliver out of the game too long to be automatically back in that tier. 79 kg: KOT, Dieringer, and Carr all tier 2 to me. No reason (yet) to put KOT in Tier 1, IMO. 92 kg: Until we see DT and how he looks, I think him vs. Zahid is definitely a thing. Zahid came closer to beating Brooks (and arguably should have beaten him) than DT did. DT may have just gotten old.

I ain't bringing up anything. I've always thought this would be close. She's been a better candidate than I anticipated, but candidate quality hardly matters any more, we're so calcified as a voting populace.

100%. This will still be a tight race. It doesn't matter how titanically insane Trump was tonight. Debates historically don't mean much.

*nods vigorously* or maybe even the concept of a plan.

The men got a civil traffic infraction. People in this thread keep talking about him going 100 mph, but the citation was for going 65 mph in a 40 mph zone, so it seems like this 100 mph talking point is just made up. According to the reporting, the citation says they visually estimated his speed at 60 mph. He was getting out of the car, as ordered, and yes, they grabbed him by his head and threw Hill to the ground. The only reason this happened is because the cops didn't like his attitude, i.e. his words, i.e. his freedom of speech. He was a dick to the cops, but that's not a crime, and he wasn't arrested for a crime.

He was following instructions. He's literally stepping out of the car when they grab him and throw him to the ground. The door was opened at 57 seconds of the video, and his foot is stepping out immediately, and they have already grabbed him. The lengths some will go to justify trampling on people's rights is bananas. This all happened because they didn't like how they were spoken to. https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/sports/nfl/dolphins/2024/09/09/police-release-video-of-confrontation-with-miami-dolphins-tyreek-hill/75152073007/

Yes, there was no reason to physically grab him and throw him to the ground. They told him to get out of the car, and he was getting out of the car. I'm not saying he was pleasant with them, but it's weird to see the First Amendment Warriors in here saying it's ok to treat someone this way due to words. And don't tell me it's because of the driving pattern, because it very CLEARLY was not the driving pattern that got him pulled out of the car, it was the attitude that they didn't like.

The fact that some of y'all are ok with how the cops treated a guy just because they didn't like his attitude is wild. Especially given how they start and escalate the physical contact for no reason at all. He's getting out of the car. Miami-Dade police are renowned throughout the state for a problem with brutality and accountability.

Trump was asked at his "policy speech" if he would commit to reducing the costs for child care and what policies he would enact. His response: "Well, I would do that, and we’re sitting down — you know, I was, uh, somebody, we had Sen. Marco Rubio and my daughter, Ivanka, was so, uh, impactful on that issue. It’s a very important issue. But I think when you talk about the kind of numbers that I’m talking about, that — because child care is child care. It’s, couldn’t — you know, it’s something, you have to have it. In this country, you have to have it. But when you talk about those numbers compared to the kind of numbers that I’m talking about by taxing foreign nations at levels that they’re not used to but they’ll get used to it very quickly. And it’s not going to stop them from doing business with us, but they’ll have a very substantial tax when they send product into our country. Those numbers are so much bigger than any numbers that we’re talking about, including child care, that it’s gonna take care. We’re gonna have — I, I look forward to having no deficits within a fairly short period of time. Coupled with, uh, the reductions that I told you about on waste and fraud and all of the other things that are going on in our country — because I have to say with child care, I want to stay with childcare, but those numbers are small relative to the kind of economic numbers that I’m talking about, including growth. But growth also headed up by what the plan is that I just, uh, that I just told you about. We’re gonna be taking in trillions of dollars, and as much as childcare is talked about as being expensive, it’s, relatively speaking, not very expensive compared to the kind of numbers we’ll be taking in. We’re going to make this into an incredible country that can afford to take care of its people and then we’ll worry about the rest of the world. Let’s help other people. But we’re gonna take care of our country first. This is about America first. It’s about: Make America great again. We have to do it, because right now we’re a failing nation. So we’ll take care of it. Thank you. Very good question."

Well after his career was over. While it was happening, many people (myself included) convinced ourselves he was clean.

All interesting, but not unexpected. Of course PSU is poaching at need weights. This is like when Alabama was dominating or Lance Armstrong was dominating notoriously dirty sports, without ever getting "in trouble." Obviously both were also participating and not just SO good they were dominating their dirty sports while being totally "clean." That's if you even consider the act dirty, which I don't. It's just the nature of the current landscape.

@LJBis a good dude.

Mirasola straight robbed in the semis. Barr and Kueter looked like animals.

Who said I wasn't biased? Everybody has biases, me included. That's called "human experience." When people pretend they don't have biases about well-known topics they're actively discussing, that's when you know their full of crap.

1. You're just muttering nonsense here. I believe and am totally fine with the family iunviting Trump, him going there, them being mad at the current administration, whatever. There's no evidence I can find (although I'll admit I didn't do an exhaustive search) that shows the family asked him or the campaign to film anything; some news sources quote the Trump campaign as saying they had "express permission to bring campaign designated media". In the end, though, none of that matters. Arlington national Ceremony is not the domain of those families or any of the families; it is governed by federal law, and filming anything for campaign purposes, which is literally what it was filmed for, is against the law. 2. Your portrayal of a fairly benign descriptive sentence as "overly emotional" is very telling. I have no personal investment in this situation; however, I do have a problem with people with power abusing people with less power, as has happened here. 3. Unfortunately, as near as I can tell, YOU are the only person saying that's why it happened. The staff has said both that nothing happened at all, and then also that she had a mental breakdown, has mental illness, and the "woke Army" is out to get them. And again, they said they had some sort of exonerating video that they never released for...reasons. 4. You're just making things up. My point was not that he should be charged. My point was he should take the video down. My final point was that, the fact that they are not bringing any sort of charges or suit runs counter to the conservative narrative that all these "deep state" actors are just out to get Trump and will charge him with anything. You not being able to understand simple sentences is not my problem. When did I say you love Trump? I'm pretty sure you'll vote Trump, but I have no idea about your personal emotions, and I certainly never said anything like that in this thread.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Republican_Party_presidential_candidates A wide field, the most notable being Hakey, DeSantis, and Ramaswamy. YMMV others like Christie, Burgum, and Scott

Is this a serious question?

*whispers* Real football is back.

1. It was 100 percent him taking the videos for political reasons. That's why it was his campaign taking the videos. If the family wanted personal footage, they could have filmed on their phones and/or just hired a photographer. You are giving a benefit of the doubt to a man where it is not only clearly unearned, it runs counter to what actually happened. 2. The campaign claimed they have video completely exonerating them (my phrasing, their meaning) and then just...never released it. Weird how that happens. And yes, going out and giving public statements calling the staffer a liar and calling the same staffer just doing her job "mentally ill" and attacking her and the Army for enforcing previously existing laws is "losing their **** minds." You're trying to parse semantics but it doesn't change what happened. 3. That MIGHT make sense if it was his security team or Secret Service that touched her. By all accounts, it was the campaign staff, and they grabbed her as she was telling them to stop. Zero people have said she came anywhere actually near Trump. And that's ignoring that this is the middle of a federally protected cemetary with clear sight lines everywhere; nobody is claiming they thought Trump was under attack. Again, you're creating a scenario and then using it to justify, even though they themselves haven't made the argument. 4. It's on TikTok. I don't have an account for it either, but you can go look at it right now using a computer. And why should they have to charge him with a crime? Why can't he just remove the footage like McCain did? This also flies counter to the argument that people are just looking to charge him with crimes any way they can; they're actively trying not to get involved with the election to avoid looking like they're taking a political side or advocating for a candidate, they were just trying to enforce their own laws. The idea that this is incumbent on them and not the person and his campaign apparatus violating the law is hilarious.

1. The family doesn't get to change federal law. 2. "Proceeded to lose their ***ducking** minds." They touched this staffer in some manner; they have called her mentally ill; they have attacked the Army over their statement on the issue. 3. What's the context that makes it ok for them to touch the employee just doing her job? 4. Yes, it was posted as an ad on Trump's tikTok, and as of 5 seconds ago, still there.

Literally any excuse to avoid the actual issue.