VakAttack

Bringing a 9/11 Truther to the 9/11 Memorial event. You know, like a true patriot.

The door was open for less than a second when one cop grabbed him by his head and threw him to the ground as he was getting out of the car. I've watched well over a thousand traffic stops as part of my job, this was completely unnecessary. The cops job is not to rough up people who are rude to them; they are supposed to be the professionals in these interactions.

As I mentioned earlier in this thread, Miami and the surrounding areas is particularly known for lack of police oversight and corruption, both in local government and in law enforcement. A couple of years ago they hired a police commissioner famed for rooting out corruption, and then fired him within like 6 months after he started talking about how high the corruption went.

It's not. It all started after these claims started being amplified and every single "report" is second and third hand. Where are all these actual victims? It's made up and, again, real people are suffering due to this. Real human beings, and you're attitude is part of the reason.

Stop. It wasn't true. Trump and Vance are the presidential and vice presidential candidates for the Republican Party, not a nobody on Twitter. This was easily verifiable and is having very real, very negative effects on very real Haitian immigrants in Springfielwd, OH.

What Trump (and presumably you) keep referencing is Ralph Northam, the former governor of Virginia (not West Virginia as Trump keeps saying) a pediatric neurologist, talking about what happens if a non-viable fetus or one with a severe deformity was born. The other stuff you're talking about "post birth neglect", I'll read whatever info you have, because I just spent the last 30 minutes Googling and using other search engines to find anything about "neglecting the baby" psot-birth other than the talking point similar to yours that there are "multiple real cases." There is one video, from Canton, Ohio of an apparently life-long Canton resident, not a Haitian immigrant, in the midst of either a mental health or drug-induced crisis. There is so far zero direct evidence of Haitian immigrants eating cats and dogs here in America, whether in Springfield, Ohio (where the original claim is made) or anywhere else. Every single "report" on this issue so far is somebody's neighbor who says they heard. https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/no-evidence-haitian-immigrants-stealing-eating-pets-ohio-2024-09-10/ AS near as I can tell, these claims started circulating around the time that this man, identifying himself as "Nathaniel Higgers", spoke at the Springfield County Commission. He self-identifies as Nathaniel Higgers, I have no idea if that is his actual name, and that he is a member of "Blood Pride", a Neo-Nazi group. Nate Higgers is a common theme/fake name used in these circles because...well, I think you can figure it out if you look at the name hard enough. This is it. These are the people that are originating the claims that have no basis in fact that you are accepting and that people on the right including the candidates for president and vice president are amplifying.

I think there's a difference between fact checking a framing of an issue, which should be left to the candidates, and fact checking just blatantly untrue, inflammatory things. The only place where I thought the fact checking was inappropriate was where David Muir said he didn't detect sarcasm when Trump said he was being sarcastic about saying he "lost by a whisker". I think Muir is probably right, having listened to Trump's Lex Fridman interview, but that's a matter of opinion and framing, and should have been left to Harris to address, if she wanted to. Just saying wild lies about Democrats allowing post birth abortions and that a whole swath of immigrants were eating cats and dogs in a local neighborhood required a fact check. The reason he got fact checked more is because he lied more. She played politics more. She was asked follow up questions on more than a couple of occasions, and she just did the same thing I sai above; she pivoted. I don't like that this is how our politicians debate now, but that's how they all do it. Trump did it to, when he wasn't saying his crazy shit. There were many fact checks that could have been put on Trump but weren't, because they were more about fraing and hyperbole, like him claiming this is the worst inflation ever (clearly not), or him claiming he "saved the Affordable Care Act", etc. None of those got moderator pushback, and there were countless other examples. Only the most egregious things (other than the Muir "no sarcasm detected" thing) received push back.

She didn't suck. She wasn't "amazing" either, but she had a plan and she executed it pretty flawlessly. She gave a standard debate performance where the candidate doesn't answer most of the actual questions and instead tries to pivot to an area where he or she feels they're stronger. This SOP for political debates for as long as I can remember, unfortunately. She set really obvious traps for Trump and he just stepped on the rake over and over again, because he's an easily-manipulated dope.

#Wishcasting Just take the L. She whooped his ass. It won't matter much in terms of what happens in the election, maybe a point or two temporary bump, but she demolished him.

You have still not been able to articulate a single reason why it was ok for these officers to escalate this situation into a physical encounter. Cops get people out of their vehicles all the time without doing what they did here. All of this happened because they felt disrespected, and so they abused their power. The punishment for what Hill allegedly did is a traffic citation. He got that. What will be their punishment for needlessly physically attacking a citizen? Typically nothing. Maybe forced desk duty for a month. Nope. Your common language argument means nothing here. These are officers of the law, and they operate under legal definitions under Flirida law. There was no crime committed. They don't get to arrest people or even detain people just for traffic infractions. They can't even extend a traffic stop to investigate for a crime. They have to have an immediate reasonable articulable suspicion of a crime, nitnjust vague fears about what "might happen", which they clearly didn't or they would have pulled him out of the car immediately. On a pure traffic stop, they have to write the ticket and let you go. The bad cops in society get away with violating people's rights because of attitudes like yours.

here is some footage of the kick. And in the second video here, you can hear them discussing his identity.

Just...no. I disagree with almost everything , but this last one is just completely untrue. I just went and watched the body cam footage again. From the moment they told him to get out until when the door opened was approximately 8 seconds. Not to mention, as I've mentioned repeatedly, they told him to get out and he was getting out of the car, but the moment the door was open the cops immediately escalated the situation into a physical encounter for no reason.

No. NOt by "all reports." By the reports of the police officers being accused of improper behavior, who have osmething of a vested interest.

Actually, they knew almost immediately once they had his driver's license exactly who he was. On one of the body cameras you can see them discussing it. And then after that one of the officer kicked him while he was in handcuffs.

...except cops are part of LAW enforcement. They are part of the legal system. They know the difference between a civil traffic infraction and criminal traffic offense. You're picking and choosing when you want to let words have their actual meanings within a given context. If I told you "I'm feeling blue" I'm pretty sure you'd be able to tell I was talking about feeling sad, not that I'm feeling like a color. These cops are part of the legal system, and are bound by those definitions and laws. They know they can't arrest a person simply for speeding except in certain circumstances, which were clearly not met here. These cops pushed the boundaries and stepped over thel ines of what they're allowed to do under the law. I'm sorry that this seems to offend you. Tyreek Hill did nothing wrong here other than be an asshole at the beginning, which is not an arrestable offense. IT certainly didn't warrant the multiple physical attacks he got from the police, including after he was handcuffed. Cops are given special powers within our society, and they should be held to a higher standard than the rest of society, but you would have us hold them to a lower standard. Insane.

Again, baseless claims. Have evidence before you make a claim. End of story. Otherwise, everyone just gets to say anything, evidence be damned. They could say something crazy insane and racist, like...I dunno, Haitian immigrants are eating pets, or that if Kamala wins, the White Hoise will smell like curry and you, and a certain group of people would just like, latch onto it! No no, that's too wild and craz---wait, what happened?

There is no claim. There's a promise from a disreputable source that there will be a claim coming later.

Usually one has evidence first, then makes accusations based off that evidence. Try that.

#SureJan

Me these days when AJ comes up.

Sure, Jan.

The emotional spiraling on this forum after their boy got his ass kicked by someone he's called a brain dead loser and low IQ is amazing. Take the L and move on. Nope, instead we've got cheating moderators, questions given in advance, and wireless earring microphones (as isual without any evidence of anything other than the continued belief that its literally impossible for them to lose). These forums are just basically my crazy uncle's Facebook feed now.

No, they cited him for careless driving and the did that instead of speeding because they didn't actually measure his speed, they only gave a "visual estimation" so they can't prove what his actual speed was. There's zero indication of anything relating to driving pattern or anything that would result in anything more than the civil citations issue. You give away the game immediately. Being an asshole to a cop is grounds for them physically grabbing you, throwing you to the ground, kicking you, etc. Because that's it. The only time he didn't follow directions was with regards to not leaving his window open. In every other scenario, he was compliant and following orders, even as the supposed professionals around him grabbed THE MOMENT THE CAR DOOR OPENED as he was complying with their previous orders. It's a dangerous job, not a conscription. Can't handle the feeling of potential danger? Do something else. It's not a license to manhandle people who haven't treated you with the respect you feel like you deserve. And here's the thing, most actual street cops agree with me, not you. I talk to them all the time. But these cops don't have to be respectful at all, and in fact can physically attack us regular citizens.

I, too, would avoid the issue if I were you.

This is just blatantly false. There are criminal and civil traffic infractions, and the alleged events here were civil.