VakAttack

If we can agree on the substantive part of the debate, I don't think we need to debate the semantics. I think he was pretty clearly poached. You don't. That's fine.

A conveniently amorphous standard! He was a wrestler at another school. He allegedly wanted to transfer earlier this year...then changed his mind and very publicly confirmed he would be staying put...and then 3 months later he's gone and also immediately has a new destination. Penn State is no better than anybody else. Well, that is in regards to the morality of going after other school's athletes. Obviously on the mat they're a lot better than everybody else.

I think you pretty much nailed it right there, lol.

Parsing semantics here, brother. Distinction without a difference.

He hasn't even committed to Iowa as of yet.

So we're done with politics, we're going to BDSM?

Life tip: I do not know what Pat Mineo says. The reporting came from Willie Saylor and Justin Basch. And the idea that I have to take what Welsh says here at face value is laughable. Lets assume for the purposes of this conversation that there WERE improper conversations had between Penn State and Welsh; he's at Penn State now. Do you think he's going to rat out the institution he just committed to for recruting or tampering violations? GTFOH, lol. As to Teemer and Buchanan, both guys were graduate transfers and thus not beholden to the transport window. According to Willie re: Teemer, he had an offer standing in front of him for a long time and he was just unsure what he wanted to do. This is such a ridiculous take I'm not sure where to begin, especially given it's from a guy advocating for Penn State. Glazier DNP'd (and did so again this year). Did you see the lineup Penn State put out there this year? The reason Iowa is so far behind (not that they would be competing with Penn State anyway) is because of doing it exactly the way you want them to. They relied on homegrown lesser recruits for years. It was not working. I dunno, your Mr. "Take Whatever the Wrestler Says at Face Value", right? So listen to Stephen Buchanon talk about his time at Iowa and what it's done for him and his love for the sport. Or watch his teammates mob him after he wins a title, including both guys that lost in the Finals earlier that session. Or listen to Patrick Kennedy talk about his love for the Brands brothers and what they did for him. Seems like the culture is just fine.

Didn't he get the same finish?

He's being paid in Schrute bucks.

Well, in one scenario you have them going into the portal, going on a visit to a completely different school and eventually committing to Iowa. Then you have Welsh being announced in the portal and the IMMEDIATE reporting that it was Penn State, done deal. Don't piss on my back and tell me it's raining. And I don't remember your specific position on the Bassett NIL deal with him (and last years Iowa transfers back then) disputing the reported numbers, but I'd LOVE to hear it.

It is impressively limber of to you bend your opinion so that it defines PSU as good and Iowa as bad.

Tim Flynn, WVU head coach, has entered the chat.

I'm sure the Minnow has brought it up 5 or 6 times.

He goes after Willie shortly thereafter for "starting drama" for SLIGHTLY disputing it, although Willie didn't actually dispute, just said he hasn't heard of anything this year.

Drama unfolding with Kyle Bratke calling out Iowa directly on twitter for allegedly trying to poach Watters, Iowa posters on HR saying that Watters' family reached out to families of current Iowa wrestlers first, and @Husker_Du saying he has heard that many schools reached out to Watters last year but hasn't heard iowa.

No i think Mineo hears stuff second and third hand and publishes it as facts and is wrong all the time. Combine that with the fact he's an open and repeated Iowa hater, and using him as the source for Iowa news is silly.

Almost like...

Almost totally unbelievable, right? Like...hmmm...

I dunno that Peterson is "killing it" but he's solid and creates a bridge to Deluca if he's not ready to go.

I think Williams could be a 157 and Estrada a 149 would be better for the team.

No idea. I'm not an insider, lol, I'm just processing my feelings. Two fun wrestlers to watch, but I legit feel bad about this.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DHzkAh1P8j7/?igsh=ZWp6NDZud2EyaHp2 Bailey and Williams commit to Iowa. I feel bad about this one, but they'll be fun to root for.

Rumors swirling about Feldman heading to State College also.

Weird post after his post about not leaving...

I think what Willie said was he heard the same thing re: the numbers. Of course, this is indirect sourcing or possibly duplicative if he heard from the same source as the Minnow. No problem putting my weirdness out there.