Southern Scuffle

[NM1965]

1 minute ago, happyvalet said:

VT has it on their schedule but PSU doesn't. Perhaps they'll send Barr and Mirasola to wrestle off here 

I thought Barr wasn't coming back until 2nd semester? or is it 2nd semester already?

[NM1965]

On 12/12/2025 at 3:55 PM, Elevator said:

hurtful

[MPhillips]

39 minutes ago, NM1965 said:

Gotta give an edge to PSU if they are sending their full list of starters. 

Weren't they in Wyoming last night...

[NM1965]

Just now, MPhillips said:

Weren't they in Wyoming last night...

I still haven't seen that dual. Don't tell me who wins, I want to maintain suspense until I do see it (sometime in the next hour). 

[MPhillips]

2 minutes ago, NM1965 said:

Don't tell me who wins

The suspense must be killing you...

[ionel]

16 minutes ago, NM1965 said:

I still haven't seen that dual. Don't tell me who wins, I want to maintain suspense until I do see it (sometime in the next hour). 

Would you like to know how much altitude impacted each match?  

[NM1965]

31 minutes ago, ionel said:

Would you like to know how much altitude impacted each match?  

I know a scientist who graduated from the MIT of Blue Sky county who can tell me that stuff. 

[ionel]

1 minute ago, NM1965 said:

I know a scientist who graduated from the MIT of Blue Sky county who can tell me that stuff. 

You talking about red viking?  

[NM1965]

Well, watched the dual. The only PSU guys who lost were the Mirasola boys.

Why is Desmond at 141? Did Carl ask him to move up, or could he not hold the weight (125) anymore? He didn't look very impressive at 141, not scoring bonus against a low ranked 141 pounder. 

The dual ended about the way I expected it would with an overwhelming PSU win. 

[NM1965]

1 minute ago, ionel said:

You talking about red viking?  

MNRodent

[Nak21]

PSU isn’t going to the Scuffle. SOME PSU kids might be, but not the whole team. Wish they were, I liked that tourney when it started up and PSU was going along with a few other top teams. 
If Cornell shows up with their 1st Semester hold outs in tow and Okie St brings their 1st team, could be some great matches!!

[Truzzcat]

1 hour ago, Nak21 said:

PSU isn’t going to the Scuffle. SOME PSU kids might be, but not the whole team. Wish they were, I liked that tourney when it started up and PSU was going along with a few other top teams. 
If Cornell shows up with their 1st Semester hold outs in tow and Okie St brings their 1st team, could be some great matches!!

I remember my Freshman year of college watching Kem dog and Hidlay wrestle for THIRD. It has fallen really hard in the last 5-6 years.

[NM1965]

Just now, Truzzcat said:

I remember my Freshman year of college watching Kem dog and Hidlay wrestle for THIRD. It has fallen really hard in the last 5-6 years.

I think the Scuffle was literally the toughest folkstyle tournament on Earth (other than D1 NCAAs) for a few years. I wish they'd bring it back in full glory. 

[ionel]

4 hours ago, NM1965 said:

I think the Scuffle was literally the toughest folkstyle tournament on Earth (other than D1 NCAAs) for a few years. I wish they'd bring it back in full glory. 

... and so was Midlands ... once upon a time. 

[MPhillips]

15 minutes ago, ionel said:

Midlands

[NM1965]

1 hour ago, ionel said:

... and so was Midlands ... once upon a time. 

You are going way back to 70/80s on Midlands! At least the Scuffle sniffed greatness this century! 

[MPhillips]

Thought folks may find this interesting (especially all the old ones).

Records at Midlands by weight class '63' - '01'

 

125-Pounds
Most Wins
32-Mike McArthur (Minn., AIA, Cowboy WC)
Most Championships
3-Mike McArthur (Minn., AIA, Cowboy WC)
Fastest Fall
:13-Matt Campbell (1992, Northern Montana)
Most Falls
12-Mike McArthur (Minn., AIA, Cowboy WC)

133-Pounds
Most Wins
30-Mark Mangianti (Hawkeye WC, Sunkist Kids WC)
Most Championships
3-Yoshiro Fujita (Oklahoma State)
Fastest Fall
:12-Jay Swanson (1976, South Dakota St.)
Most Falls
10-Wade Hughes (Georgia Washington, Sunkist Kids WC)

141-Pounds
Most Wins
27-Mark Ironside (Iowa)
Most Championships
4-Tim Cysewski (Iowa, Hawkeyes WC), Mark Ironside (Iowa)
Fastest Fall
:17-Florian Ghinea (2000, Montclair State)
Most Falls
12-Mike Lingenfelter (Lock Haven)

149-Pounds
Most Wins
30-John Fisher (Foxcatcher WC, Sunkist Kids WC)
Most Championships
3-Dan Gable (Iowa State), John Fisher (Foxcatcher WC, Sunkist Kids WC)
Fastest Fall
:21-Roger Chandler (1999, Shultz WC
Most Falls
13-Dan Gable (Iowa State), John Fisher (Foxcatcher WC, Sunkist Kids WC)

157-Pounds
Most Wins
47-Mike Schmidlin (Cal-State-Fullerton, Pleasure Point WC, Schulz)
Most Championships
3-Jim Heffernan (Iowa), Chris Bono (Iowa State, Sunkist Kids WC)
Fastest Fall
:15-Mike Eierman (1998, Panther WC)
Most Falls
25-Mike Schmidlin (Cal-State Fullerton, Pleasure Point WC, Schultz WC)

165-Pounds
Most Wins
24-Jim Tanniehill (Winona State)
Most Championships
3-Lee Kamp (Wisconsin)
Fastest Fall
:11-Pat Kennedy (1999, Iowa)
Most Falls
6-Wade Schalles (Clarion, Mean Machine WC, Ney York AC)

174-Pounds
Most Wins
25-Dave Lee (Wisconsin, Foxcatcher WC, Pleasure Point WC)
Most Championships
5-Joe Williams (Iowa, Hawkeye WC)
Fastest Fall
:14-Jamie Hensch (1998, UNC-Greensboro)
Most Falls
10-Wade Schalles (Clarion, Mean Machine WC, Ney York AC)

184-Pounds
Most Wins
32-Booker Benford (SIU-ED, Sunkist Kids WC)
Most Championships
5-John Peterson (Athletes in Action)
Fastest Fall
:11-Marvin Jones (1984, Road Express)
Most Falls
8-Booker Benford (SIU-ED, Sunkist Kids WC)

197-Pounds
Most Wins
32-Mike Davies (Arizona State, Sunkist Kids WC)
Most Championships
5-Ben Peterson (Iowa State)
Fastest Fall
:17-Chael Sonnen (2000, Oregon)
Most Falls
10-Verlyn Strellner (Iowa Daley WC)

Heavyweight
Most Wins
43-Bruce Baumgartner (Indiana State, New York AC)
Most Championships
8-Bruce Baumgartner (Indiana State, New York AC)
Fastest Fall
:08-Tom Erikson (1991, Sunkist Kids WC)
Most Falls
19-Tom Erikson (Oklahoma State, Sunkist Kids WC)

[ionel]

1 hour ago, NM1965 said:

You are going way back to 70/80s on Midlands! At least the Scuffle sniffed greatness this century! 

The 90s were pretty dar good.  

[NM1965]

1 minute ago, ionel said:

The 90s were pretty dar good.  

Better than now, at least. 

[Gene Mills Fan]

Northwestern U. canceled the Midlands Covid year but did Not cancel  its NCAA men's basketball game a few days later.  that same week maybe the next Tuesday; I was so pissed.

[MPhillips]

6 minutes ago, Gene Mills Fan said:

Northwestern U. canceled the Midlands Covid year

We remember...

14 hours ago, NM1965 said:

Better than now, at least. 

Perhaps you mean, "now" literally. There have been some good tournies since the 90's though.

2016 had,

Gilman, Gross, Hall, Richards, Kolodzik, Jack, Ashnault, Sorenson, Heffernan, Tshirt, Kemerer, Martinez, Sebastian, Walsh, Valencia, Meyer, Jackson, Renda, Dudley, Stoll, Medberry....

 

[Elevator]

14 minutes ago, Gene Mills Fan said:

Northwestern U. canceled the Midlands Covid year but did Not cancel  its NCAA men's basketball game a few days later.  that same week maybe the next Tuesday; I was so pissed.

ok - but seems like the same risks but different degree of the overall risk? The total number of people and total amount of time at wrestling events is differenat than a single basketball game.  Perhaps sound public health analysis includes concerns about the direct contact of wrestlers on the mat and where only a few wrestlers with unidiagnosed covid wrestling 5 matches could spread it to each opponent and so on.   

[NM1965]

33 minutes ago, Gene Mills Fan said:

Northwestern U. canceled the Midlands Covid year but did Not cancel  its NCAA men's basketball game a few days later.  that same week maybe the next Tuesday; I was so pissed.

That is a pisser. You can tell which is the money sport, huh? 

That reminds me of a local poker room I visited in 2020. When I got to the casino I found the room had been closed. When I asked why I was told "oh, we are trying to prevent the spread of Covid".  They had knocked down a wall between the poker room and the massive Bingo room expanding it to 300 people or so!! When I said "good thinking. Now instead of 30 people getting infected it'll be 300!" the casino lady got a snotty look on her face. 

[NM1965]

18 minutes ago, Elevator said:

ok - but seems like the same risks but different degree of the overall risk? The total number of people and total amount of time at wrestling events is differenat than a single basketball game.  Perhaps sound public health analysis includes concerns about the direct contact of wrestlers on the mat and where only a few wrestlers with unidiagnosed covid wrestling 5 matches could spread it to each opponent and so on.   

Remember back in grade school, Jr High, and HS how if one kid had the flu he'd give it to entire teams? I never heard of that happening with bball teams. 

[Gene Mills Fan]

48 minutes ago, Elevator said:

ok - but seems like the same risks but different degree of the overall risk? The total number of people and total amount of time at wrestling events is differenat than a single basketball game.  Perhaps sound public health analysis includes concerns about the direct contact of wrestlers on the mat and where only a few wrestlers with unidiagnosed covid wrestling 5 matches could spread it to each opponent and so on.   

It's the money hypocrisy!  All the wrestlers were being checked. But 10000 people rubbing elbows for a basketball game are OK.