Antifa A Terrorist Organization

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

4 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

All of this stuff is freely available for you to learn too. Ignorance isn't something to brag about.

For example, the current leader of ISIS is Abu Hafs al-Hashimi al-Qurashi. They refer their head leader as the Caliph. Below that, they have various levels of administration and advisors. They have local leaders, called Emirs, who govern specific regions under their control. 

It's as well-defined an organization as it gets. They even call themselves a state.

Bro... my point is that you just copy and paste stuff from the internet and whatever left wingers you fanboy for on that day.  You even took your screen name from one.  My point is that you are the one who is ignorant, but pretend to be smart.  You do not actually "know" these things outside of copy and paste.  You have no understanding of the info, but you like to play make believe and lecture.That, sir, is true ignorance.

[El Luchador]

24 minutes ago, red viking said:

Jan 6. way more violent than " antifa"

That's not reality. Chop/chaz, the burning of Minneapolis, Milwaukee, Atlanta, Columbus, etc. These events were far more significant and deadly.

[uncle bernard]

@Caveira

If you want to learn about Antifa, here's what our government has told us about them. They've been under investigation for years: https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/IF10839. This document was published by the Trump administration in 2020. Some key quotes:

"Contemporary U.S. antifa adherents likely do not share a list of enemies, as the movement lacks a unifying organizational structure or detailed ideology that might shape such a list. Local groups do not necessarily listen to each other's pronouncements and might aim their animus at enemies specific to their group. Further, "fascism" is notoriously difficult to define. Thus, particular antifa groups may oppose different things based on how they identify who or what is fascist."

"Some members are willing to commit crimes, some violent, to promote their beliefs, although much antifa activity involves nonviolent protest such as hanging posters, delivering speeches, and marching. As a core purpose, antifa groups track and react to the activities of individuals or groups they see as advocating fascist views, such as neo-Nazis, racist skinheads, white supremacists, and white nationalists. While few concrete antifa principles exist across all groups, U.S. supporters have articulated four shared "obligations." According to some adherents, antifa groups must (1) track the activity of fascist groups, (2) oppose their public organizing, (3) support antifascist allies attacked by fascists or arrested by police, and (4) not cooperate with law enforcement."

"While the FBI has confirmed that antifa and other extremists are subjects of ongoing domestic terrorism investigations, it declines to designate any organization a "domestic terrorist organization." Doing so may infringe on First Amendment-protected free speech—belonging to an ideological group in and of itself is not a crime in the United States. Further, as previously stated, antifa is a decentralized movement, and law enforcement designation of antifa as a singular group may prove to be difficult."

(My apologies to @Interviewed_at_Weehawken for yet again knowing something about the world. I can't help that I have an inquisitive mind suited to learning and retaining information.)

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

Just now, uncle bernard said:

@Caveira

If you want to learn about Antifa, here's what our government has told us about them. They've been under investigation for years: https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/IF10839. This document was published by the Trump administration in 2020. Some key quotes:

"Contemporary U.S. antifa adherents likely do not share a list of enemies, as the movement lacks a unifying organizational structure or detailed ideology that might shape such a list. Local groups do not necessarily listen to each other's pronouncements and might aim their animus at enemies specific to their group. Further, "fascism" is notoriously difficult to define. Thus, particular antifa groups may oppose different things based on how they identify who or what is fascist."

"Some members are willing to commit crimes, some violent, to promote their beliefs, although much antifa activity involves nonviolent protest such as hanging posters, delivering speeches, and marching. As a core purpose, antifa groups track and react to the activities of individuals or groups they see as advocating fascist views, such as neo-Nazis, racist skinheads, white supremacists, and white nationalists. While few concrete antifa principles exist across all groups, U.S. supporters have articulated four shared "obligations." According to some adherents, antifa groups must (1) track the activity of fascist groups, (2) oppose their public organizing, (3) support antifascist allies attacked by fascists or arrested by police, and (4) not cooperate with law enforcement."

"While the FBI has confirmed that antifa and other extremists are subjects of ongoing domestic terrorism investigations, it declines to designate any organization a "domestic terrorist organization." Doing so may infringe on First Amendment-protected free speech—belonging to an ideological group in and of itself is not a crime in the United States. Further, as previously stated, antifa is a decentralized movement, and law enforcement designation of antifa as a singular group may prove to be difficult."

(My apologies to @Interviewed_at_Weehawken for yet again knowing something about the world. I can't help that I have an inquisitive mind suited to learning and retaining information.)

But you don't KNOW it.  It was a copy and paste... that is what you do.  

[uncle bernard]

5 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Bro... my point is that you just copy and paste stuff from the internet and whatever left wingers you fanboy for on that day.  You even took your screen name from one.  My point is that you are the one who is ignorant, but pretend to be smart.  You do not actually "know" these things outside of copy and paste.  You have no understanding of the info, but you like to play make believe and lecture.That, sir, is true ignorance.

I copy and paste quotes from the sources I read, usually from experts in the subjects. Reading is how I come to "know" things. That's what all of history is, my man. Nobody alive was there for the Battle of Gettysburg. We know about it through the contemporaneous sources and documentation.

I get that you don't like reading and learning because you're lazy, but that's not something to be proud of.

[uncle bernard]

Just now, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

But you don't KNOW it.  It was a copy and paste... that is what you do.  

Please define what you think "knowing" means.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

Just now, uncle bernard said:

Please define what you think "knowing" means.

I KNOW that you are responding to me.

I know that you cherrypick sources.

[El Luchador]

7 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

Listen, the Trump Administration is welcome to prove me wrong. Maybe there is some shadowy, organized group called Antifa, with defined leaders and puppet masters. I'm sure if Trump can find them, he'll tell us. Surely, they're not just letting all these terrorists walk free among us, right?

Before Trump ever takes action he always waits for the left to say a bunch of stupid stuff, then bam, egg on face. He did not make that statement without some level of knowledge. Formal or informal there is a hierarchy of agitators that creates chaos. It is funded and organized and always ready to snap into action.

[Caveira]

12 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

Listen, the Trump Administration is welcome to prove me wrong. Maybe there is some shadowy, organized group called Antifa, with defined leaders and puppet masters. I'm sure if Trump can find them, he'll tell us. Surely, they're not just letting all these terrorists walk free among us, right?

How many terrorists do you think walked across the boarder during the Biden admin?

[uncle bernard]

Just now, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

I KNOW that you are responding to me.

I know that you cherrypick sources.

How do you know I'm responding to you? It seems to me you're just reading my posts, but you don't think reading is knowing, so how do you know?

I posted a link to and quotes directly from the Trump administration. Is that a cherrypicked source?

[uncle bernard]

1 minute ago, Caveira said:

How many terrorists do you think walked across the boarder during the Biden admin?

No idea. At least a couple probably. Do we have any terror attacks we can point to as an example?

[uncle bernard]

2 minutes ago, El Luchador said:

Before Trump ever takes action he always waits for the left to say a bunch of stupid stuff, then bam, egg on face. He did not make that statement without some level of knowledge. Formal or informal there is a hierarchy of agitators that creates chaos. It is funded and organized and always ready to snap into action.

Great, looking forward to him publishing the info! It would be super interesting if there really was a shadow organization of this type and that would change the way I see the world significantly. Until he shows it, I remain skeptical.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

3 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

How do you know I'm responding to you? It seems to me you're just reading my posts, but you don't think reading is knowing, so how do you know?

I posted a link to and quotes directly from the Trump administration. Is that a cherrypicked source?

There is some debate as to whether you read or just copy and paste...

[El Luchador]

Just now, uncle bernard said:

Great, looking forward to him publishing the info! It would be super interesting if there really was a shadow organization of this type and that would change the way I see the world significantly. Until he shows it, I remain skeptical.

Whatever you do don't accept your own experience. All those blacked out big mouth idiots burning cities down and assaulting people is just a coincidence that happened naturally all over the country. 

[uncle bernard]

Just now, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

There is some debate as to whether you read or just copy and paste...

To my knowledge, you have never once offered a counter-argument to anything I've posted.

I get why you find me frustrating. I say what I believe, and then I say why I believe it and cite the sources I use to come to that conclusion.

You've yet to complete step 1, let alone step 2. Forget knowing. You haven't even started thinking.

[JimmySpeaks]

13 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

@Caveira

If you want to learn about Antifa, here's what our government has told us about them. They've been under investigation for years: https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/IF10839. This document was published by the Trump administration in 2020. Some key quotes:

"Contemporary U.S. antifa adherents likely do not share a list of enemies, as the movement lacks a unifying organizational structure or detailed ideology that might shape such a list. Local groups do not necessarily listen to each other's pronouncements and might aim their animus at enemies specific to their group. Further, "fascism" is notoriously difficult to define. Thus, particular antifa groups may oppose different things based on how they identify who or what is fascist."

"Some members are willing to commit crimes, some violent, to promote their beliefs, although much antifa activity involves nonviolent protest such as hanging posters, delivering speeches, and marching. As a core purpose, antifa groups track and react to the activities of individuals or groups they see as advocating fascist views, such as neo-Nazis, racist skinheads, white supremacists, and white nationalists. While few concrete antifa principles exist across all groups, U.S. supporters have articulated four shared "obligations." According to some adherents, antifa groups must (1) track the activity of fascist groups, (2) oppose their public organizing, (3) support antifascist allies attacked by fascists or arrested by police, and (4) not cooperate with law enforcement."

"While the FBI has confirmed that antifa and other extremists are subjects of ongoing domestic terrorism investigations, it declines to designate any organization a "domestic terrorist organization." Doing so may infringe on First Amendment-protected free speech—belonging to an ideological group in and of itself is not a crime in the United States. Further, as previously stated, antifa is a decentralized movement, and law enforcement designation of antifa as a singular group may prove to be difficult."

(My apologies to @Interviewed_at_Weehawken for yet again knowing something about the world. I can't help that I have an inquisitive mind suited to learning and retaining information.)

If only they hadn’t learned things about them in the last five years.  

[JimmySpeaks]

2 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

To my knowledge, you have never once offered a counter-argument to anything I've posted.

I get why you find me frustrating. I say what I believe, and then I say why I believe it and cite the sources I use to come to that conclusion.

You've yet to complete step 1, let alone step 2. Forget knowing. You haven't even started thinking.

You cite sources that support your agenda.  

[uncle bernard]

2 minutes ago, El Luchador said:

Whatever you do don't accept your own experience. All those blacked out big mouth idiots burning cities down and assaulting people is just a coincidence that happened naturally all over the country. 

I'm open to new information! 

But I am accepting my own experience here. I was there. I stood under the gaze of police snipers and cops in riot gear. And yet, nobody told me or paid me to be there and I don't know anybody who was. I showed up because I believe genocide was wrong and we have a constitutional right to free speech.

If it turns out that there is this organization you say, I'm owed compensation!

[Caveira]

8 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

No idea. At least a couple probably. Do we have any terror attacks we can point to as an example?

Arrests and reported incidents

ISIS-affiliated network: In June 2024, reports indicated that the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) had identified hundreds of individuals from Central Asia who entered the U.S. through an ISIS-affiliated human smuggling network.

Tajik nationals: In June 2024, authorities arrested at least eight Tajik nationals with suspected ISIS ties after they had crossed the southern border in 2023. At least two of them had used the CBP One app to schedule an asylum claim.

Mohammad Kharwin: In early 2024, it was reported that Mohammad Kharwin, an Afghan national on the terrorist watchlist, was released into the U.S. after crossing the southern border in 2023. He was arrested in San Antonio after an NBC News report brought his case to light.

Uzbek national: In May 2024, an Uzbek national with alleged ISIS connections was arrested after being released into the country two years earlier following his apprehension at the border.

 

[uncle bernard]

1 minute ago, JimmySpeaks said:

You cite sources that support your agenda.  

Sources like the Trump administration apparently.

[uncle bernard]

1 minute ago, Caveira said:

Arrests and reported incidents

ISIS-affiliated network: In June 2024, reports indicated that the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) had identified hundreds of individuals from Central Asia who entered the U.S. through an ISIS-affiliated human smuggling network.

Tajik nationals: In June 2024, authorities arrested at least eight Tajik nationals with suspected ISIS ties after they had crossed the southern border in 2023. At least two of them had used the CBP One app to schedule an asylum claim.

Mohammad Kharwin: In early 2024, it was reported that Mohammad Kharwin, an Afghan national on the terrorist watchlist, was released into the U.S. after crossing the southern border in 2023. He was arrested in San Antonio after an NBC News report brought his case to light.

Uzbek national: In May 2024, an Uzbek national with alleged ISIS connections was arrested after being released into the country two years earlier following his apprehension at the border.

 

So I was right! At least a couple.

[JimmySpeaks]

1 minute ago, uncle bernard said:

Sources like the Trump administration apparently.

Yep. From five years ago.  Nothings changed since then huh? 

[uncle bernard]

3 minutes ago, JimmySpeaks said:

If only they hadn’t learned things about them in the last five years.  

They are welcome to show us what they've learned! Looking forward to reading it.

[JimmySpeaks]

1 minute ago, uncle bernard said:

So I was right! At least a couple.

A couple that have struck so far. 

[uncle bernard]

Just now, JimmySpeaks said:

Yep. From five years ago.  Nothings changed since then huh? 

Well, until they publish their findings, I have no reason to change my mind. That's on them, not me.