Antifa A Terrorist Organization

[Caveira]

26 minutes ago, mspart said:

That is really a good question.   Perhaps the best question in this long train.   

mspart

From time to time I have a good one.   
 

@Tripnsweep @uncle bernard @red viking

help us understand why you care so much about this designation?   They caused billions of dollars of damage in black and brown cities that only made those cities worse in the short term.   Ruined black owned businesses etc.   the types of businesses  the left is supposed to care about right ?

 

[red viking]

23 minutes ago, Caveira said:

From time to time I have a good one.   
 

@Tripnsweep @uncle bernard @red viking

help us understand why you care so much about this designation?   They caused billions of dollars of damage in black and brown cities that only made those cities worse in the short term.   Ruined black owned businesses etc.   the types of businesses  the left is supposed to care about right ?

 

Because it's not an actual organization and there's no official members. It's very simple. Watching the dumb wingers try to define who they are while constantly contradicting each other is both sad and entertaining.  

This is akin to designating " the wingers" as a terrorist group. Seriously. Dumbest thing ever, after saying Tylenol causes autism. 

Edited 9 hours ago by red viking

[Caveira]

13 minutes ago, red viking said:

Because it's not an actual organization and there's no official members. It's very simple. Watching the dumb wingers try to define who they are while constantly contradicting each other is both sad and entertaining.  

This is akin to designating " the wingers" as a terrorist group. Seriously. Dumbest thing ever, after saying Tylenol causes autism. 

Serious question.  Is isis an actual organization?  Should isis be designated a terror org ?

Edited 9 hours ago by Caveira

[El Luchador]

19 minutes ago, red viking said:

Because it's not an actual organization and there's no official members. It's very simple. Watching the dumb wingers try to define who they are while constantly contradicting each other is both sad and entertaining.  

This is akin to designating " the wingers" as a terrorist group. Seriously. Dumbest thing ever, after saying Tylenol causes autism. 

I'm on the spectrum and I've taken Tylenol. Even within the last hour. I like who I am, but I think Tylenol owes me reparations. Maybe I would be a better speeler.

[red viking]

27 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Serious question.  Is isis an actual organization?  Should isis be designated a terror org ?

I believe they have official members. Don't know if they should be designated as terror org. Probably. 

[red viking]

Q Anon should be a terror org too. Much much worse than antifa. 

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[El Luchador]

2 minutes ago, red viking said:

Q Anon should be a terror org too. Much much worse than antifa. 

Zero violence. 

[Caveira]

27 minutes ago, red viking said:

I believe they have official members. Don't know if they should be designated as terror org. Probably. 

The paste below Sounds similar to antifa if you ask me boss.   The 3 letter agencies IF dedicated to finally looking into antifa —> I bet will find a structure… even if it’s loose and unofficial.  

There is no public list of all official members of ISIS, but the group's top leaders have been identified through intelligence efforts

. The overall number of fighters is difficult to confirm, though UN and US government estimates place it in the thousands across the group's operating areas. 

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[uncle bernard]

1 hour ago, Caveira said:

Serious question.  Is isis an actual organization?  Should isis be designated a terror org ?

Yes, absolutely. It has a hierarchical leadership structure that can be identified and defined.

2 hours ago, Caveira said:

From time to time I have a good one.   
 

@Tripnsweep @uncle bernard @red viking

help us understand why you care so much about this designation?   They caused billions of dollars of damage in black and brown cities that only made those cities worse in the short term.   Ruined black owned businesses etc.   the types of businesses  the left is supposed to care about right ?

 

It matters because a terrorist designation strips you of certain rights in this country and has political consequences for people who are perceived to be a part of said group.

The key word there is "perceive." That's why it matters. "Antifa" does not exist as an organization. There are hundreds of small groups - maybe even a singular person in some cases - who are labeled as Antifa because they proclaim an anti-fascist ideology. But they are not centrally organized - or really organized at all. These groups operate under their own autonomy, not according to a broader strategy.

It's exactly this diffuseness or blurriness of what "Antifa" is that makes this decision so dangerous. If you can't clearly define what Antifa is or who is a "member," then you can label any group or individual who you believe shares their ideas as Antifa, and therefore a terrorist.

That's why I compared it to designating "Conservatives" as terrorists. For example, say the Biden administration, using the actions of a group of Conservatives - who like Antifa were not part of larger, definable organization, declared that "Conservatives" were terrorists because they share the ideals of the Conservatives who stormed the capital. Now they have the justification to treat every Conservative in the country as a terrorist.

As many on here know, I attended the Palestine protests. Donald Trump would probably call me "Antifa." I've never attended a meeting or met anybody who has claimed to be a part of Antifa (because that doesn't actually exist). Yet, if I were to go to such a protest now, I could be targeted as a terrorist because I'm - simply by virtue of sharing some of their political views and commitments - "Antifa." 

One last extreme example to show the point: being an Islamist does not make you a terrorist. You have to actually join a terror group or commit an act of terror to be a terrorist.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

2 hours ago, Caveira said:

Serious question.  Is isis an actual organization?  Should isis be designated a terror org ?

Does isis have a secret initiation?  Membership fees?  Ranks and insignias on uniforms?  Secret handshake?  Prob not an organization.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

2 hours ago, red viking said:

Because it's not an actual organization and there's no official members. It's very simple. Watching the dumb wingers try to define who they are while constantly contradicting each other is both sad and entertaining.  

This is akin to designating " the wingers" as a terrorist group. Seriously. Dumbest thing ever, after saying Tylenol causes autism. 

Decentralized command makes a lot of sense for a shadowy group of domestic terrorists.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

21 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

 

That's why I compared it to designating "Conservatives" as terrorists. For example, say the Biden administration, using the actions of a group of Conservatives - who like Antifa were not part of larger, definable organization, declared that "Conservatives" were terrorists because they share the ideals of the Conservatives who stormed the capital. Now they have the justification to treat every Conservative in the country as a terrorist.

 

Kinda crazy, but that is what they were doing to an extent.

[Caveira]

4 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Does isis have a secret initiation?  Membership fees?  Ranks and insignias on uniforms?  Secret handshake?  Prob not an organization.

I don’t think so.  I thought  we figured out their stuff via investigations etc.  I don’t think they publish a manifest as to who is the leader here there or anywhere.  
 

Structure occurs eventually in all orgs it’s a human condition.  I’ll bet there is far more structure to antifa today than we know.   Just in the shadows….  Partially because no one wanted to investigate them in the past.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

1 minute ago, Caveira said:

I don’t think so.  I thought  we figured out their stuff via investigations etc.  I don’t think they publish a manifest as to who is the leader here there or anywhere.  
 

Structure occurs eventually in all orgs it’s a human condition.  I’ll bet there is far more structure to antifa today than we know.   Just in the shadows….  Partially because no one wanted to investigate them in the past.

I was being sarcastic lol

[uncle bernard]

7 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Does isis have a secret initiation?  Membership fees?  Ranks and insignias on uniforms?  Secret handshake?  Prob not an organization.

ISIS has generals that command troops to do things. It is a top-down leadership structure. There is nothing comparable with Antifa there. There's a reason they've never named a leader(s) of Antifa. There isn't anybody giving orders.

[uncle bernard]

4 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Kinda crazy, but that is what they were doing to an extent.

"to an extent" doing a lot of heavy lifting there.

[Caveira]

3 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

I was being sarcastic lol

I know boss.  all good 

[red viking]

1 hour ago, El Luchador said:

Zero violence. 

Jan 6. way more violent than " antifa"

[Caveira]

1 minute ago, uncle bernard said:

ISIS has generals that command troops to do things. It is a top-down leadership structure. There is nothing comparable with Antifa there. There's a reason they've never named a leader(s) of Antifa. There isn't anybody giving orders.

Name the generals       Again.  One must look into isis to get their leadership info.  You have no idea what antifa plans …. Or how they structure different factions or orgs.   Literally 0 you know.  
 

how did we discover the names of people who may be considered Isis generals:

Discovering information about ISIS leaders, including figures like Haji Bakr, relies on a combination of signals intelligence, on-the-ground human intelligence, interrogations, and the analysis of captured materials

. Because ISIS is a clandestine organization, its leadership does not publicize official command structures. Instead, intelligence agencies use a range of methods to piece together an understanding of the group's network. 

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

3 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

ISIS has generals that command troops to do things. It is a top-down leadership structure. There is nothing comparable with Antifa there. There's a reason they've never named a leader(s) of Antifa. There isn't anybody giving orders.

Sure there is bro.  Really love how you're an expert on medicine, pharmacology, NGOs, terrorism, Islamism, Mid East relations, and politics. Amazing.  

[Caveira]

9 minutes ago, red viking said:

Jan 6. way more violent than " antifa"

Jan 6 wasn’t an insurrection .  And caused like 3m of damage.   Just for the blm protests 2 billion dollars of damage was done.  Be specific.  How was j6 more damaging to anything vs the billions of dollars of damage antifa did during blm + the other nonsense they damage 

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[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

6 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

"to an extent" doing a lot of heavy lifting there.

I used to have a triple bodyweight deadlift.

But all you do around here is "heavy lifting"  

[uncle bernard]

11 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Sure there is bro.  Really love how you're an expert on medicine, pharmacology, NGOs, terrorism, Islamism, Mid East relations, and politics. Amazing.  

All of this stuff is freely available for you to learn too. Ignorance isn't something to brag about.

For example, the current leader of ISIS is Abu Hafs al-Hashimi al-Qurashi. They refer their head leader as the Caliph. Below that, they have various levels of administration and advisors. They have local leaders, called Emirs, who govern specific regions under their control. 

It's as well-defined an organization as it gets. They even call themselves a state.

[uncle bernard]

15 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

I used to have a triple bodyweight deadlift.

But all you do around here is "heavy lifting"  

very cool my man

[uncle bernard]

19 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Name the generals       Again.  One must look into isis to get their leadership info.  You have no idea what antifa plans …. Or how they structure different factions or orgs.   Literally 0 you know.  
 

how did we discover the names of people who may be considered Isis generals:

Discovering information about ISIS leaders, including figures like Haji Bakr, relies on a combination of signals intelligence, on-the-ground human intelligence, interrogations, and the analysis of captured materials

. Because ISIS is a clandestine organization, its leadership does not publicize official command structures. Instead, intelligence agencies use a range of methods to piece together an understanding of the group's network. 

Listen, the Trump Administration is welcome to prove me wrong. Maybe there is some shadowy, organized group called Antifa, with defined leaders and puppet masters. I'm sure if Trump can find them, he'll tell us. Surely, they're not just letting all these terrorists walk free among us, right?