Why don't you like undocumented immigrants?

[GreatWhiteNorth]

2 minutes ago, JimmySpeaks said:

Bahahahahahahhahahahahhaha. You’re a centrist. Bahahahahahahhahahahahah and a f ing liar 

I forget - which one was Dr Jekyl and which one was Mr Hyde?

[GreatWhiteNorth]

14 minutes ago, JimmySpeaks said:

We spend $151 BILLION PER YEAR ON UNLAWFUL IMMIGRANTS.  That’s after their taxes paid in soooooooooo

Where'd you dig up the $151B number? Facebook? Xwitter? Out your butt? I'm thinking the last oneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[JimmySpeaks]

8 minutes ago, GreatWhiteNorth said:

Those aren't facts - both Obama and Biden deported quite a lot of people - more than what Trump did in his 1st term.

And Biden raised the budget for border protection significantly. It was anything but "wide open"... that was just a talking point the Trump presidential campaign liked to use.

Late in his term, Biden put together a comprehensive border protection plan that was supported by both R's and D's. But just before it came time to vote, Trump's presidential campaign encourage the R's to vote against it because they intended to use the border as a campaign topic -- and they didn't want Biden's administration to fix it.

True story. Politics at its very worst.

Here’s the real true story.  For he first two years of his presidency Joe Biden and the Dems controlled the Oval Office house and senate.  They did nothing to fix the border when it would have been easy.  It wasn’t until Trump said he was going to run his campaign on the border that Biden decided to do something.  

Edited 8 hours ago by JimmySpeaks

[JimmySpeaks]

Just now, GreatWhiteNorth said:

Where'd you dig up the $151B number? Facebook? Xwitter? Out your butt? I'm thinking the last oneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Google how much does America spend on unlawful immigration there skippy.  It’s easy to find. 

[JimmySpeaks]

2 minutes ago, GreatWhiteNorth said:

Where'd you dig up the $151B number? Facebook? Xwitter? Out your butt? I'm thinking the last oneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

https://www.congress.gov/118/meeting/house/117257/witnesses/HHRG-118-BU00-Wstate-KirchnerJ-20240508.pdf
 

right out of my A$$ 

[GreatWhiteNorth]

1 minute ago, JimmySpeaks said:

Here’s the real true story.  For he first tow years of his presidency Joe Biden and the Dems controlled the Oval Office house and senate.  They didn’t nothing to fix the border when it would have been easy.  It wasn’t until Trump said he was going to run his campaign on the border that Biden decided to do something.  

The 'real true' story being Dems controlled the 'Oval Office house'..

OK, cupcake. Time for you to go to bed.

I'm done here.

[JimmySpeaks]

7 minutes ago, GreatWhiteNorth said:

I forget - which one was Dr Jekyl and which one was Mr Hyde?

The centrist in the middle. 

[JimmySpeaks]

2 minutes ago, GreatWhiteNorth said:

The 'real true' story being Dems controlled the 'Oval Office house'..

OK, cupcake. Time for you to go to bed.

I'm done here.

Yep you’re toast again. Run along skippy.  

Edited 8 hours ago by JimmySpeaks

[Tripnsweep]

2 hours ago, GreatWhiteNorth said:

Where'd you dig up the $151B number? Facebook? Xwitter? Out your butt? I'm thinking the last oneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

I think he came up with the largest number his smooth brain could think of. 

[El Luchador]

7 hours ago, GreatWhiteNorth said:

As I clearly posted, "If you come around, that'd be great. I'd enjoy a good discussion if you are capable of it."

A 3rd grade post claiming everything I say is wrong doesn't qualify as an honest, legitimate discussion.

C'mon you little punk. Make up your mind.

We can discuss it like adults, or we can go our separate ways. What we don't do is bicker like children.

So you can't defend your position and somehow you think this is a win. When you completely make up stuff there is nothing to discuss. I haven't bickered at all. I decisively and clearly called you a liar. Every claim. All you need to do is provide 1 exampl, but you can't.  You simply are full of $h!+.

[El Luchador]

7 hours ago, Tripnsweep said:

The Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act (IIRIRA) amended 8 U.S.C. § 1325 to provide that an alien apprehended while entering or attempting to enter the United States at a time or place other than as designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil penalty.

Guess you didn't read it all the way. Also that is relating to crossing the border, not simply being present. 

The word civil is not in 8-1325 or any of its amendments.

 

§1325 . Improper entry by alien

(a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts

Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.

 

(b) Marriage fraud

Any individual who knowingly enters into a marriage for the purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, or fined not more than $250,000, or both.

 

(c) Immigration-related entrepreneurship fraud

Any individual who knowingly establishes a commercial enterprise for the purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, fined in accordance with title 18, or both.

 

(June 27, 1952, ch. 477, title II, ch. 8, §275, 66 Stat. 229 ; Nov. 10, 1986, Pub. L. 99–639, §2(d), 100 Stat. 3542 ; Nov. 29, 1990, Pub. L. 101–649, title I, §121(b)(3), title V, §543(b)(2), 104 Stat. 4994 , 5059; Dec. 12, 1991, Pub. L. 102–232, title III, §306(c)(3), 105 Stat. 1752 .)

 

Amendments

1991-Subsec. (a). Pub. L. 102–232 substituted "fined under title 18" for "fined not more than $2,000 (or, if greater, the amount provided under title 18)".

 

1990-Subsec. (a). Pub. L. 101–649, §543(b)(2), inserted "or attempts to enter" after "(1) enters" and "attempts to enter or" after "or (3)", and substituted "shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined not more than $2,000 (or, if greater, the amount provided under title 18) or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years" for "shall, for the first commission of any such offenses, be guilty of a misdemeanor and upon conviction thereof be punished by imprisonment for not more than six months, or by a fine of not more than $500, or by both, and for a subsequent commission of any such offenses shall be guilty of a felony and upon conviction thereof shall be punished by imprisonment for not more than two years, or by a fine of not more than $1,000".

 

Subsec. (c). Pub. L. 101–649, §121(b)(3), added subsec. (c).

 

1986-Pub. L. 99–639 designated existing provisions as subsec. (a) and added subsec. (b).

 

Effective Date of 1991 Amendment

Amendment by Pub. L. 102–232 effective as if included in the enactment of the Immigration Act of 1990, Pub. L. 101–649, see section 310(1) of Pub. L. 102–232, set out as a note under section 1101 of this title.

 

Effective Date of 1990 Amendment

Amendment by section 121(b)(3) of Pub. L. 101–649 effective Oct. 1, 1991, and applicable beginning with fiscal year 1992, see section 161(a) of Pub. L. 101–649, set out as a note under section 1101 of this title.

 

Amendment by section 543(b)(2) of Pub. L. 101–649 applicable to actions taken after Nov. 29, 1990, see section 543(c) of Pub. L. 101–649, set out as a note under section 1221 of this title.

 

Cross References

Definition of entry, immigration laws, immigration officer, and United States, see section 1101 of this title.

 

Section Referred to in Other Sections

This section is referred to in section 1329 of this title; title 10 section 374.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

8 hours ago, GreatWhiteNorth said:

You honestly think there's a "list of words"? Honestly?

And you think there's a list of who "you guys" are, too?

That's so adorable. I remember when I was 12.

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/08/22/democrats-woke-language-blacklist-00519421

You're so adorable! Please try to keep up!

[red viking]

6 hours ago, JimmySpeaks said:

https://www.congress.gov/118/meeting/house/117257/witnesses/HHRG-118-BU00-Wstate-KirchnerJ-20240508.pdf
 

right out of my A$$ 

Definitely right out of ur rear. Just look at extreme winger sources and ignore everything else. Lmfao. 

[Tripnsweep]

1 hour ago, El Luchador said:

The word civil is not in 8-1325 or any of its amendments.

 

§1325 . Improper entry by alien

(a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts

Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.

 

(b) Marriage fraud

Any individual who knowingly enters into a marriage for the purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, or fined not more than $250,000, or both.

 

(c) Immigration-related entrepreneurship fraud

Any individual who knowingly establishes a commercial enterprise for the purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, fined in accordance with title 18, or both.

 

(June 27, 1952, ch. 477, title II, ch. 8, §275, 66 Stat. 229 ; Nov. 10, 1986, Pub. L. 99–639, §2(d), 100 Stat. 3542 ; Nov. 29, 1990, Pub. L. 101–649, title I, §121(b)(3), title V, §543(b)(2), 104 Stat. 4994 , 5059; Dec. 12, 1991, Pub. L. 102–232, title III, §306(c)(3), 105 Stat. 1752 .)

 

Amendments

1991-Subsec. (a). Pub. L. 102–232 substituted "fined under title 18" for "fined not more than $2,000 (or, if greater, the amount provided under title 18)".

 

1990-Subsec. (a). Pub. L. 101–649, §543(b)(2), inserted "or attempts to enter" after "(1) enters" and "attempts to enter or" after "or (3)", and substituted "shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined not more than $2,000 (or, if greater, the amount provided under title 18) or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years" for "shall, for the first commission of any such offenses, be guilty of a misdemeanor and upon conviction thereof be punished by imprisonment for not more than six months, or by a fine of not more than $500, or by both, and for a subsequent commission of any such offenses shall be guilty of a felony and upon conviction thereof shall be punished by imprisonment for not more than two years, or by a fine of not more than $1,000".

 

Subsec. (c). Pub. L. 101–649, §121(b)(3), added subsec. (c).

 

1986-Pub. L. 99–639 designated existing provisions as subsec. (a) and added subsec. (b).

 

Effective Date of 1991 Amendment

Amendment by Pub. L. 102–232 effective as if included in the enactment of the Immigration Act of 1990, Pub. L. 101–649, see section 310(1) of Pub. L. 102–232, set out as a note under section 1101 of this title.

 

Effective Date of 1990 Amendment

Amendment by section 121(b)(3) of Pub. L. 101–649 effective Oct. 1, 1991, and applicable beginning with fiscal year 1992, see section 161(a) of Pub. L. 101–649, set out as a note under section 1101 of this title.

 

Amendment by section 543(b)(2) of Pub. L. 101–649 applicable to actions taken after Nov. 29, 1990, see section 543(c) of Pub. L. 101–649, set out as a note under section 1221 of this title.

 

Cross References

Definition of entry, immigration laws, immigration officer, and United States, see section 1101 of this title.

 

Section Referred to in Other Sections

This section is referred to in section 1329 of this title; title 10 section 374.

Still nothing about just being present. Which is still not a criminal act. So unless you see somebody hop the border or they admit to it, they can't be changed with a crime because there's no probable cause that a crime has been committed. 

A guy who used to do some contract work with a friend of mine didn't even know he'd crossed the border when he was 17. He just got in a pickup truck and arrived here. He owns a business, several homes, has kids, is married, etc. Yet he's never bothered to get himself straightened out. He's been occasionally pulled over and I remember once they did it and had no reason to. When they asked him for his license and whether he's a citizen, he just asked if they were with ICE and they just walked away. I don't think he committed a crime. Would you want to see a productive, law abiding, tax paying business owner locked up and possibly deported for that? I wouldn't. 

[WrestlingRasta]

18 hours ago, ThreePointTakedown said:

I declare myself the winner. 

Just curious, since you’re on an anonymous message board….what did you win?   Did you get a medal, or a monetary award, or…??