Death to America

[Undefeated]

I remember writing a long post once explaining that “Death to America” means “Death to the policies of U.S. governments, especially their support for Zionism,” not the people or the country. But over time, I realized those explanations make the people who don’t wanna understand even more arrogant and obnoxious.

I’ve been in plenty of American forums and groups, but I’ve never seen people as ignorant as some of the members here. Not talking about everyone, of course - there are a few here I genuinely respect.

But honestly, this is kind of what you’d expect from the wrestling community. In Iran, wrestlers often come from rural, less-educated backgrounds, and it seems like in the U.S., the wrestling crowd’s from an even lower rung.

And here’s something I’ve figured out: you guys create extremism yourselves. Maybe some of those extremists who blow things up now once tried to explain their side to you, but eventually realized you don’t get reason - you only respond to force.

[JimmySpeaks]

I remember responding once to a long post about what death to America means to those saying it and how it’s different for those who hear it.  I found that those saying it don’t care how the people hearing it feel. They don’t want to understand that using the term negates what they believe they intended it to mean.  When you question them they run straight to the “you have a full belly and will never understand” card.  

They also don’t understand that just because you’re rural or maybe a wrestler that you may be educated but just have different viewpoints than they do. Especially different beliefs than the countries they live in, complain about yet do nothing about.  They tend to talk while sitting on their hands letting it continue even though they have no freedom to speak of.  

And they certainly don’t understand that even the worst extremists in America are nothing compared to extremists in the rest of the world.  And that in America we’re allowed to be extreme based on our beliefs unlike other places around the world.   It’s called free speech, something treasured more than anything else in the world.   
 

And here’s something I figured out:   They will never do anything about it. They will continue allowing things like arranged marriages, electing puppet Presidents and bowing down to a crooked  and corrupt regime.   

[Undefeated]

7 minutes ago, JimmySpeaks said:

I remember responding once to a long post about what death to America means to those saying it and how it’s different for those who hear it.  I found that those saying it don’t care how the people hearing it feel. They don’t want to understand that using the term negates what they believe they intended it to mean.  When you question them they run straight to the “you have a full belly and will never understand” card.  

They also don’t understand that just because you’re rural or maybe a wrestler that you may be educated but just have different viewpoints than they do. Especially different beliefs than the countries they live in, complain about yet do nothing about.  They tend to talk while sitting on their hands letting it continue even though they have no freedom to speak of.  

And they certainly don’t understand that even the worst extremists in America are nothing compared to extremists in the rest of the world.  And that in America we’re allowed to be extreme based on our beliefs unlike other places around the world.   It’s called free speech, something treasured more than anything else in the world.   
 

And here’s something I figured out:   They will never do anything about it. They will continue allowing things like arranged marriages, electing puppet Presidents and bowing down to a crooked  and corrupt regime.   

Aren’t you the same guy who thought “the Middle East” was a country? The one who said Iranians wipe their asses with rocks and sticks? The genius who thinks the men here trade two goats for a wife? And now you’re trying to act all wise and lecture me? Please. Sit down, you clueless moron.

[JimmySpeaks]

9 minutes ago, Undefeated said:

Aren’t you the same guy who thought “the Middle East” was a country? The one who said Iranians wipe their asses with rocks and sticks? The genius who thinks the men here trade two goats for a wife? And now you’re trying to act all wise and lecture me? Please. Sit down, you clueless moron.

Aren’t you the guy ripping on America while living in a country with arranged marriages and a corrupt regime?   The one that tries to make something good out of the statement “death to America”?  The brilliant computer guy that won’t leave the country that still makes him use dial up services and will cut the internet off at any moment?   I am wise. And I am free.  Please sit down and STFU until you do something other than talk 

[Undefeated]

28 minutes ago, JimmySpeaks said:

Aren’t you the guy ripping on America while living in a country with arranged marriages and a corrupt regime?   The one that tries to make something good out of the statement “death to America”?  The brilliant computer guy that won’t leave the country that still makes him use dial up services and will cut the internet off at any moment?   I am wise. And I am free.  Please sit down and STFU until you do something other than talk 

So, like, when you have zero clue about this part of the world - and can’t even tell Iran, Saudi Arabia, Nigeria, and Afghanistan apart - do you really feel the need to open your mouth? The stuff you’re saying about how people get married in Iran is so stupid that any Iranian who hears it would just be like… jaw on the floor. I don’t know, maybe there’s some media thing out there - but if there is, it’s so rare it made the news, because I’ve never seen a single case myself. Even in the countryside, nobody does marriage that way, let alone in the cities.

Sure, if someone offered me a girl in exchange for a goat, I might go buy one - but unfortunately, the last goat I saw was at the zoo thirty years ago. That’s because we shipped all our goats to the U.S. to teach history, geography, and political science in schools over there, and, well… seems like they’re doing a fantastic job.

[JimmySpeaks]

1 minute ago, Undefeated said:

So, like, when you have zero clue about this part of the world - and can’t even tell Iran, Saudi Arabia, Nigeria, and Afghanistan apart - do you really feel the need to open your mouth? The stuff you’re saying about how people get married in Iran is so stupid that any Iranian who hears it would just be like… jaw on the floor. I don’t know, maybe there’s some media thing out there - but if there is, it’s so rare it made the news, because I’ve never seen a single case myself. Even in the countryside, nobody does marriage that way, let alone in the cities.

Sure, if someone offered me a girl in exchange for a goat, I might go buy one - but unfortunately, the last goat I saw was at the zoo thirty years ago. That’s because we shipped all our goats to the U.S. to teach history, geography, and political science in schools over there, and, well… seems like they’re doing a fantastic job.

When you live in a country run by authoritarians I understand that things like free speech and sarcasm aren’t allowed.  Too bad for you. 

[JimmySpeaks]

3 minutes ago, Undefeated said:

So, like, when you have zero clue about this part of the world - and can’t even tell Iran, Saudi Arabia, Nigeria, and Afghanistan apart - do you really feel the need to open your mouth? The stuff you’re saying about how people get married in Iran is so stupid that any Iranian who hears it would just be like… jaw on the floor. I don’t know, maybe there’s some media thing out there - but if there is, it’s so rare it made the news, because I’ve never seen a single case myself. Even in the countryside, nobody does marriage that way, let alone in the cities.

Sure, if someone offered me a girl in exchange for a goat, I might go buy one - but unfortunately, the last goat I saw was at the zoo thirty years ago. That’s because we shipped all our goats to the U.S. to teach history, geography, and political science in schools over there, and, well… seems like they’re doing a fantastic job.

One thing I do know for sure.  I’m so fu#$ing glad I wasn’t born in that part of the world.   Freedom is a beautiful thing.  

[JimmySpeaks]

9 minutes ago, Undefeated said:

So, like, when you have zero clue about this part of the world - and can’t even tell Iran, Saudi Arabia, Nigeria, and Afghanistan apart - do you really feel the need to open your mouth? The stuff you’re saying about how people get married in Iran is so stupid that any Iranian who hears it would just be like… jaw on the floor. I don’t know, maybe there’s some media thing out there - but if there is, it’s so rare it made the news, because I’ve never seen a single case myself. Even in the countryside, nobody does marriage that way, let alone in the cities.

Sure, if someone offered me a girl in exchange for a goat, I might go buy one - but unfortunately, the last goat I saw was at the zoo thirty years ago. That’s because we shipped all our goats to the U.S. to teach history, geography, and political science in schools over there, and, well… seems like they’re doing a fantastic job.

So you’re saying there are zero arranged marriages happening in your great country?  

[El Luchador]

3 hours ago, Undefeated said:

WrestlingRasta, man, “Allahu Akbar” isn’t just something Arabs say. All Muslims say it. Take Iran for example - most folks there aren’t Arab, and a lot of them don’t even understand Arabic, but you’ll still hear “Allahu Akbar” all the time. Same with Muslims in other places - like Muslim Russians - they use it a lot too.

The thing is, the Quran’s in Arabic, and “Allahu Akbar,” which means “God is great,” pops up in it over and over. It’s also in a bunch of Muslim prayers and chants, so even people who don’t speak Arabic pick up those common phrases and use ’em without even thinking about it.

I haven’t watched the video in this thread, so I don’t know if that guy’s Arab or not, but either way, it’s not just an “Arab thing.”

Are you an Iranian, or do you just live in Iran?

[Undefeated]

1 hour ago, JimmySpeaks said:

So you’re saying there are zero arranged marriages happening in your great country?  

Isn’t your language English? I did say maybe there’s something in the media about it that you heard - but even if there is, it’s so rare that I’ve literally never seen or heard of a single case myself. In Iran, the number of male and female students is about the same. In humanities fields, there are way more girls than boys, and girls usually study all the way through higher degrees. Even in remote towns, there are universities. How do you expect these girls to agree to that kind of marriage?

In my undergrad class, we had 42 girls and only 4 guys. In grad school, the number of girls was almost double the boys. And you’re saying these girls get traded for goats? Seriously?

And honestly, if arranged marriages like that exist in Iran, they’re probably less common than cannibalism in the U.S. - because every week the Islamic Republic’s media publishes stories about Americans eating people, so I guess I’m allowed to assume every American is a cannibal, right?

[GreatWhiteNorth]

3 hours ago, JimmySpeaks said:

And here’s something I figured out:   They will never do anything about it. They will continue allowing things like arranged marriages, electing puppet Presidents and bowing down to a crooked  and corrupt regime.   

I like it. Keep figuring things out.

You'll find that our current President is a puppet, and is part of a crooked and corrupt regime right here.

[Undefeated]

4 hours ago, JimmySpeaks said:

 Freedom is a beautiful thing.  

Yeeeeeaaaaaah...

https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000007159353/george-floyd-arrest-death-video.html

[WrestlingRasta]

9 hours ago, Undefeated said:

WrestlingRasta, man, “Allahu Akbar” isn’t just something Arabs say. All Muslims say it. Take Iran for example - most folks there aren’t Arab, and a lot of them don’t even understand Arabic, but you’ll still hear “Allahu Akbar” all the time. Same with Muslims in other places - like Muslim Russians - they use it a lot too.

The thing is, the Quran’s in Arabic, and “Allahu Akbar,” which means “God is great,” pops up in it over and over. It’s also in a bunch of Muslim prayers and chants, so even people who don’t speak Arabic pick up those common phrases and use ’em without even thinking about it.

I haven’t watched the video in this thread, so I don’t know if that guy’s Arab or not, but either way, it’s not just an “Arab thing.”

Which is why I said not all Muslims are Arab. 

[Undefeated]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssX4s39P58I

[1032004]

2 hours ago, WrestlingRasta said:

Which is why I said not all Muslims are Arab. 

But we don’t even know if this guy was really Muslim, apparently he was schizophrenic 

[WrestlingRasta]

13 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

But we don’t even know if this guy was really Muslim, apparently he was schizophrenic 

You are correct, we don’t know.  And we should ignore particular context clues such as, for example, yelling out prayer sayings that are exclusive to the Muslim faith.  Because what we all do know, is that being a follower of the Muslim faith creates an internal immunity to schizophrenia.   (Which, we don’t even know if he has schizophrenia, we just know that someone somewhere said that). 
 

He’s been arrested, he’s been charged, he’s been and will again be in front of the courts….regardless of his faith or medical status.   I think we can all move on now.  

[1032004]

13 minutes ago, WrestlingRasta said:

You are correct, we don’t know.  And we should ignore particular context clues such as, for example, yelling out prayer sayings that are exclusive to the Muslim faith.  Because what we all do know, is that being a follower of the Muslim faith creates an internal immunity to schizophrenia.   (Which, we don’t even know if he has schizophrenia, we just know that someone somewhere said that). 
 

He’s been arrested, he’s been charged, he’s been and will again be in front of the courts….regardless of his faith or medical status.   I think we can all move on now.  

According to a news source in India (where he’s from), it was his family that said he was diagnosed with schizophrenia.

Also pretty sure this is the same guy - he was arrested in 2018 for spreading communist propaganda - https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/raipur/chhattisgarh-police-arrest-maoist-techie-cum-spokesman-of-urban-network/articleshow/64560923.cms

I know that doesn’t mean he’s not a Muslim either, but that would give him another reason to dislike America.  So the evidence overall indicates that Islam was not a root cause of his actions IMO.

[Caveira]

24 minutes ago, WrestlingRasta said:

You are correct, we don’t know.  And we should ignore particular context clues such as, for example, yelling out prayer sayings that are exclusive to the Muslim faith.  Because what we all do know, is that being a follower of the Muslim faith creates an internal immunity to schizophrenia.   (Which, we don’t even know if he has schizophrenia, we just know that someone somewhere said that). 
 

He’s been arrested, he’s been charged, he’s been and will again be in front of the courts….regardless of his faith or medical status.   I think we can all move on now.  

But the guy who shot Trump is a registered republican lol 

[WrestlingRasta]

29 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

According to a news source in India (where he’s from), it was his family that said he was diagnosed with schizophrenia.

Also pretty sure this is the same guy - he was arrested in 2018 for spreading communist propaganda - https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/raipur/chhattisgarh-police-arrest-maoist-techie-cum-spokesman-of-urban-network/articleshow/64560923.cms

I know that doesn’t mean he’s not a Muslim either, but that would give him another reason to dislike America.  So the evidence overall indicates that Islam was not a root cause of his actions IMO.

I don’t recall saying or implying Islam was the root cause of his actions.  I simply pointed out to you that not all Muslims are arabs, in response to you stating he doesn’t look Muslim to you, with your reasoning being that he’s ’definitely not of Arab ethnicity”

So, for the sake of moving on, I’ll just simply and directly ask……what point are you trying to make with me here??

[1032004]

Just now, WrestlingRasta said:

I don’t recall saying or implying Islam was the root cause of his actions.  I simply pointed out to you that not all Muslims are arabs, in response to you stating he doesn’t look Muslim to you, with your reasoning being that he’s ’definitely not of Arab ethnicity”

So, for the sake of moving on, I’ll just simply and directly ask……what point are you trying to make with me here??

I never said you said it was the root cause, but you keep repeating that “not all Muslims are Arab” and “he was saying Allah Akhbar,” you’re clearly trying to suggest that you think the signs point to him being Muslim.

You are welcome to your opinion.  I disagree.  And when I said “looks like,” I was not literally talking about his appearance.  That was based on the fact that he was Indian from India.  And doing a quick search, apparently only about 14% of India’s population is Muslim.  

[El Luchador]

 

 

 

[WrestlingRasta]

2 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

I never said you said it was the root cause, but you keep repeating that “not all Muslims are Arab” and “he was saying Allah Akhbar,” you’re clearly trying to suggest that you think the signs point to him being Muslim.

You are welcome to your opinion.  I disagree.  And when I said “looks like,” I was not literally talking about his appearance.  That was based on the fact that he was Indian from India.  And doing a quick search, apparently only about 14% of India’s population is Muslim.  

Yes I believe chanting a prayer exclusive to the muslim faith....points, while maybe not outright proving beyond the shadow of a doubt, but points to being muslim.  I must be silly.

 

Okay cool...moving on.

Edited 9 minutes ago by WrestlingRasta