Kamala is out

[Caveira]

6 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

On what? Desalination or do you think he's working on Fusion?

The answer is....no.

The French are the leaders in Fusion setting a record with 21 consecutive minutes a few months ago.

The only thing Elon is done is say...'we should make more desalination plants.' That's it. We have them. We have the technology for them. 

We have the power for them via companies like Oklo(a stock I told people to buy on here last year). 

 

They didn't want to build one where it was approved because the neighbors thought it'd look ugly. So it's NOT a matter of the inability to make one, it's the lack of desire or need as of now. 

They also need a better way to capture excess run off water in a man made underground(obviously) water basin.

 

But all far easier to solve then United States trying to recreate what Nvidia has done without Nvidia's aid(you could even give them AMD, though the MI400 is supposed to be only 4-5 years behind NVDA). Speaking of which, AMD and SMCI report earnings tonight. 

Given Nvidia owns ~92-94% of the market, this could be a good chance for a savvy investor to glean what Nvidia's report may look like in a few weeks. Just...saying. 

 

[JimmySpeaks]

Just now, scourge165 said:

California has a budget shortfall of 10-12 BILLION dollars

They have a GDP of well over 4 TRILLION dollars.

They pay 130 BILLION dollars into the United States Government.

You can do simple math(I mean, math that's THIS simple).

Try and follow the thread. That 130B in excess that they pay in, 130B MORE than they get from the Federal Government, add that back to California and would you REALLY argue they're "broke?"

 

And Christ, if California with a 10B dollar deficit on a 4.5 TRILLION dollar GDP is broke, what in the HELL is the United States with a GDP of 29T(which has gone done since someone came back into office) and now a debt of ~40T with the 4 Trillion Trump just added with his "big beautiful bill."

If the US can be broke with the GDP it has California certainly can 

[red viking]

The leaching off the blue states by the red states is guaranteed to get much worse with the current regime. 

[red viking]

1 minute ago, JimmySpeaks said:

If the US can be broke with the GDP it has California certainly can 

US won't go broke. They'll just print money. That's what pedo Trump wants to do. 

[Caveira]

3 minutes ago, red viking said:

Not sure about that one specifically, but ya gotta love the relationship he has with politicians, including pedo Trump. Donate billions to political campaigns and get billions per year in taxpayer dollars in return, for several of his businesses. 

Does he have a relationship with back rub bill?

[El Luchador]

24 minutes ago, red viking said:

I would absolutely LOVE it if we just got rid of the entire dirty south part of the country. I wish they had won the civil war (they were too weak to win though). They'd be a 3rd world country and the rest of us would be much better without those pieces of toilet trash. 

Have you ever been to any southern states for and length of time?

[red viking]

1 minute ago, Caveira said:

Does he have a relationship with back rub bill?

Only if he has something to offer him. 

[red viking]

Just now, El Luchador said:

Have you ever been to any southern states for and length of time?

Yes. Cesspool of the nation. Some of the big cities are nice but that's about it. 

 

[JimmySpeaks]

3 minutes ago, red viking said:

US won't go broke. They'll just print money. That's what pedo Trump wants to do. 

That’s what “ EVERY” president does 

[JimmySpeaks]

5 minutes ago, red viking said:

The leaching off the blue states by the red states is guaranteed to get much worse with the current regime. 

That’s because all the billionaires live in blue states huh?  Trump wants to eliminate income taxes for anyone making under $150k 

[red viking]

1 minute ago, JimmySpeaks said:

That’s what “ EVERY” president does 

Some more than others. Pedo Trump has taken it to a new level with his "big beautiful bill." 

[JimmySpeaks]

Just now, red viking said:

Some more than others. Pedo Trump has taken it to a new level with his "big beautiful bill." 

All do it. 

[El Luchador]

39 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

Yeah, this is the level of stupid I expect.

 

You can't really call the most successful capitalist State in the Country(and again, the 4th largest GDP in the WORLD) "Commiefornia," unless that's just a default you go to when you're making a REALL stupid argument. 

 

And correct me if I'm wrong, but you ARE the one who brought up Pol Pot, the Cambodia who'd been dead since 1997 when there was a thread about who was the biggest threat when it came to domestic terrorism, right?

 

I don't even know what the "Pay people not to work," means. Is that your understanding of the Farming Laws and why they exist? Just complete ignorance to the fact that it's the United States Government propping up American Agriculture so the prices stay high enough to keep many farms afloat?

And this is again, mind you...95 YEARS old now. 

 

You are evidence that knowing a little bit about one thing and then just making the rest up based on some really ridiculous claims is actually dumber than simply being ignorant on a particular topic and trying to understand that topic. 

For instance, you COULD have tried to understand WHY they pay Farmers IN MISSOURI, IOWA, and other primarily Midwest States money to NOT farm, but instead, you just extrapolated that to California. 

 

 

One honest question. Do you TRULY believe the United States is stronger without California? Forget the larger argument, JUST answer that question? 

Only you made the claim of domestic terrorism.  My example as I clearly stated but you ignored because it was your stawman, was that leftist ideology owns hands down the greatest number of mass grave this world has ever seen.

[JimmySpeaks]

10 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

California has a budget shortfall of 10-12 BILLION dollars

They have a GDP of well over 4 TRILLION dollars.

They pay 130 BILLION dollars into the United States Government.

You can do simple math(I mean, math that's THIS simple).

Try and follow the thread. That 130B in excess that they pay in, 130B MORE than they get from the Federal Government, add that back to California and would you REALLY argue they're "broke?"

 

And Christ, if California with a 10B dollar deficit on a 4.5 TRILLION dollar GDP is broke, what in the HELL is the United States with a GDP of 29T(which has gone done since someone came back into office) and now a debt of ~40T with the 4 Trillion Trump just added with his "big beautiful bill."

California wouldn’t be able to protect itself.  It’s not considered a nuclear state and the US would never allow it to become one.  

[scourge165]

14 minutes ago, red viking said:

Yes they have them, but they are only used in limited situations. There are a lot of conservation-related efforts that CA would do first before resorting to desalination to any significant extent. It's simply economics. 

Everything is "only used in limited situations."

Newsom and the State tried to get 3 desalination plants built. A massive plant in Huntington beech, one in Malibu and a 3rd one... somewhere like Malibu. In two cases they voted it down because it was a "blight."

Huntington Beech was two years ago and the concern was the price of the electricity, a price that's no longer a concern. 

 

OKLO can built their Small Nuclear powered facilities and it would be capable of powering MORE than enogugh water to provide all citizens with all the water they need.

 

The people only use ~20% of the water. 80% is used on agriculture. They could save a whole helluva lot by not growing avocados or almonds for the rest of the Country. 

 

But no, there's no debate they have EVERY resource they need to build and operate desalination plants. It's like the ONE thing the Newsom, Elon and the California State Houses agreed upon and fought for. And then they gave up because California IS a state, it's NOT it's own Country and it's not essential to the survival of it's people. 

[JimmySpeaks]

13 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

California has a budget shortfall of 10-12 BILLION dollars

They have a GDP of well over 4 TRILLION dollars.

They pay 130 BILLION dollars into the United States Government.

You can do simple math(I mean, math that's THIS simple).

Try and follow the thread. That 130B in excess that they pay in, 130B MORE than they get from the Federal Government, add that back to California and would you REALLY argue they're "broke?"

 

And Christ, if California with a 10B dollar deficit on a 4.5 TRILLION dollar GDP is broke, what in the HELL is the United States with a GDP of 29T(which has gone done since someone came back into office) and now a debt of ~40T with the 4 Trillion Trump just added with his "big beautiful bill."

Their debt is 6x as much as their budget shortfall is.  

[scourge165]

2 minutes ago, El Luchador said:

Only you made the claim of domestic terrorism.  My example as I clearly stated but you ignored because it was your stawman, was that leftist ideology owns hands down the greatest number of mass grave this world has ever seen.

LOL...that was literally the TITLE OF THE THREAD and you're claiming it was my "strawman?"

 

No... god that's embarrassing for you! It was literally a thread about who poses the biggest threat to DOMESTIC terrorism! And then you even tried to post a link about "the influence of Pol Pot," from the New York Times, but you CLEARLY didn't have a subscription as it was 28 years old and it just about how he was forgotten and lived out his life in anonymity! 

 

Bud, do NOT make me link that thread and embarrass you! There's no CHANCE you're saying I'm the one who made that about Domestic Terrorism! I came in like 3 pages into the thread!

 

And I'm not getting back into this "Leftist" ideology when you refuse to accept Fascism or White Nationalists on the right wing end of the spectrum.

[JimmySpeaks]

3 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

Everything is "only used in limited situations."

Newsom and the State tried to get 3 desalination plants built. A massive plant in Huntington beech, one in Malibu and a 3rd one... somewhere like Malibu. In two cases they voted it down because it was a "blight."

Huntington Beech was two years ago and the concern was the price of the electricity, a price that's no longer a concern. 

 

OKLO can built their Small Nuclear powered facilities and it would be capable of powering MORE than enogugh water to provide all citizens with all the water they need.

 

The people only use ~20% of the water. 80% is used on agriculture. They could save a whole helluva lot by not growing avocados or almonds for the rest of the Country. 

 

But no, there's no debate they have EVERY resource they need to build and operate desalination plants. It's like the ONE thing the Newsom, Elon and the California State Houses agreed upon and fought for. And then they gave up because California IS a state, it's NOT it's own Country and it's not essential to the survival of it's people. 

Not yet it’s not.  It will be essential soon.  The tree huggers don’t like it because it’s a negative impact on the marine environment.  
 

Minnesota has more shoreline than California does and it’s all freshwater.  I’m sure they’ll sell it for a nice price.  

[red viking]

8 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

Everything is "only used in limited situations."

Newsom and the State tried to get 3 desalination plants built. A massive plant in Huntington beech, one in Malibu and a 3rd one... somewhere like Malibu. In two cases they voted it down because it was a "blight."

Huntington Beech was two years ago and the concern was the price of the electricity, a price that's no longer a concern. 

 

OKLO can built their Small Nuclear powered facilities and it would be capable of powering MORE than enogugh water to provide all citizens with all the water they need.

 

The people only use ~20% of the water. 80% is used on agriculture. They could save a whole helluva lot by not growing avocados or almonds for the rest of the Country. 

 

But no, there's no debate they have EVERY resource they need to build and operate desalination plants. It's like the ONE thing the Newsom, Elon and the California State Houses agreed upon and fought for. And then they gave up because California IS a state, it's NOT it's own Country and it's not essential to the survival of it's people. 

Everybody knows that most of the water goes to agriculture. Actually, the non-ag water can pretty much all be recycled. Ag water mostly can't. But that's what I'm saying. The crops would be expensive to grow and the most likely outcome is that they'd more likely just be grown somewhere else in the country, unless the energy was taxpayer-subsidized. Then they'd also just recycle all their municipal water (similar to Las Vegas) rather than desalinize it. 

And not "everything is used in limited situations." Not sure if you're really being serious with that crazy statement. Probably not. 

Can they do it? Absolutely! But it isn't economically viable to do on a widespread basis. It's very simple economics. 

Edited 2 hours ago by red viking

[JimmySpeaks]

1 minute ago, scourge165 said:

LOL...that was literally the TITLE OF THE THREAD and you're claiming it was my "strawman?"

 

No... god that's embarrassing for you! It was literally a thread about who poses the biggest threat to DOMESTIC terrorism! And then you even tried to post a link about "the influence of Pol Pot," from the New York Times, but you CLEARLY didn't have a subscription as it was 28 years old and it just about how he was forgotten and lived out his life in anonymity! 

 

Bud, do NOT make me link that thread and embarrass you! There's no CHANCE you're saying I'm the one who made that about Domestic Terrorism! I came in like 3 pages into the thread!

 

And I'm not getting back into this "Leftist" ideology when you refuse to accept Fascism or White Nationalists on the right wing end of the spectrum.

The fascism on one end is no different than the Marxism on the other end sooooooo

[scourge165]

17 minutes ago, Caveira said:

 

Ok...so as I said, it's something that Newsom, the State of California AND even Musk all agreed on...

 

Are you arguing or agreeing with me? This doesn't mean MUSK is working on it. He is not. He's advocating for more desalination plants. That's it. 

[scourge165]

Just now, red viking said:

Everybody knows that most of the water goes to agriculture. Actually, the non-ag water can pretty much all be recycled. Ag water mostly can't. But that's what I'm saying. The crops would be expensive to grow and the most likely outcome is that they'd more likely just be grown somewhere else in the country, unless the energy was taxpayer-subsidized. Then they'd also just recycle all their water rather than desalinize it. 

And not "everything is used in limited situations." Not sure if you're really being serious with that crazy statement. Probably not. 

No, it's not like saying that AT-ALL.

It's like saying if California was it's own Country and they didn't have access to the Colorado River, they would ABSOLUTELY be able to survive...which is the point that was made that I was disputing.

And what Gov't resource is used in unlimited situations? 

 

The ENTIRE conversation is if California could survive without the United States and who needs who more, the US needs California or California needs the United States. So I don't know why we're talking about "the most likely outcome is that they'd more likely just be grown somewhere else in the country." 

 

Sure...fine. But it wouldn't be part of "the Country" in this scenario. 

[scourge165]

15 minutes ago, JimmySpeaks said:

That’s because all the billionaires live in blue states huh?  Trump wants to eliminate income taxes for anyone making under $150k 

No...he does not. If he did, he'd have doen it in his "big beautiful bill." 

 

Instead, he gave the majority of the tax breaks to the top .02%.

[scourge165]

18 minutes ago, JimmySpeaks said:

That’s what “ EVERY” president does 

Go down the list to each President. 

Republican and Democrat...and see who spends the most.

 

It's not even REMOTELY close. And try and make sure you understand the assignment and understand the budgets are set a year in advance. 

[red viking]

Just now, scourge165 said:

No, it's not like saying that AT-ALL.

It's like saying if California was it's own Country and they didn't have access to the Colorado River, they would ABSOLUTELY be able to survive...which is the point that was made that I was disputing.

And what Gov't resource is used in unlimited situations? 

 

The ENTIRE conversation is if California could survive without the United States and who needs who more, the US needs California or California needs the United States. So I don't know why we're talking about "the most likely outcome is that they'd more likely just be grown somewhere else in the country." 

 

Sure...fine. But it wouldn't be part of "the Country" in this scenario. 

OMG. Yah, of course they could survive. Those guys are idiots if they argue otherwise. Why waste your time with such stupid arguments? 

I think a lot of people would end up moving out of that state/country though if water became that expensive. Most (or all) other states still wouldn't be able to touch them economically, even if they lost a lot of people.