Kamala is out

[scourge165]

1 hour ago, JimmySpeaks said:

California can’t survive without the Colorado River.  

Sure they could Jimmy. You may not know this, but California is a coastal city. 

Lots of water. 

 

[El Luchador]

1 hour ago, Tripnsweep said:

Do you just make things up and hope it turns out to be even marginally true? 

Have you ever heard of CRP? 

[El Luchador]

28 minutes ago, Caveira said:

What is the USDA's Milk Loss Program?   Or the Conservation Reserve Program (CRP) (not milk)?

I should have read through.  I see you got this.

[El Luchador]

1 minute ago, scourge165 said:

Sure they could Jimmy. You may not know this, but California is a coastal city. 

Lots of water. 

 

Salt water.

[scourge165]

2 minutes ago, El Luchador said:

Salt water.

... right.

And you think that means... what?

[El Luchador]

16 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

Yes, paying farmers not to far dates back to the New Deal and the primary beneficiaries of that are Missouri, Iowa and other Red States. 

This is all about further subsidizing Farmers and stabilizing prices. The dumping of Milk is for the same reason. 

 

I'm still kinda in awe that THIS is what you think of when you're thinking of California industry. 

I was more speaking to the industry that's currently on a run rate to be worth 1 Trillion dollars per year in 3 years(not 5 as previously thought) and is... going to revolutionize warfare. AI and every Company who makes it possible upstream and downstream. 

 

I don't know how the Government's practice of conservation and not overfarming plays into this conversation or... in what world you think the ONLY way California "can sell anything," is because of their location and shipping costs.

That's it? That's why it'd be the 4th largest GDP in the world, ahead of Germany, the UK, France... or ANY European Country? Because it's... on the West Coast? 

This is only proof that they could easily self sustain without the need for much agriculture from other States.

 

California can raise cattle and produce Milk a LOT easier than Missouri or Alabama, can create Semiconductors or high speed ethernet or liquid cooling for massive data centers, or small nuclear power plants that can produce 12 gigawatts. 

 

Oh, and... again, 130 BILLION dollars less that they'd have to pay the Federal Government.

What I'm thinking is if can get rid of Commiefornia then we can stop wasting money paying people not to work. Hell once they lose their slave labor  they will most likely get priced out of the market.

[El Luchador]

1 minute ago, scourge165 said:

... right.

And you think that means... what?

Desalination is expensive. 

[scourge165]

Just now, El Luchador said:

Desalination is expensive. 

Yeah, without the 130 BILLION dollars California pays to the welfare states(the Red States) they could afford it.

 

Not to mention, they ARE the center of what is the most revolutionary technology MAYBE ever, but certainly in the last...130-140 years. 

[scourge165]

2 minutes ago, El Luchador said:

What I'm thinking is if can get rid of Commiefornia then we can stop wasting money paying people not to work. Hell once they lose their slave labor  they will most likely get priced out of the market.

Yeah, this is the level of stupid I expect.

 

You can't really call the most successful capitalist State in the Country(and again, the 4th largest GDP in the WORLD) "Commiefornia," unless that's just a default you go to when you're making a REALL stupid argument. 

 

And correct me if I'm wrong, but you ARE the one who brought up Pol Pot, the Cambodia who'd been dead since 1997 when there was a thread about who was the biggest threat when it came to domestic terrorism, right?

 

I don't even know what the "Pay people not to work," means. Is that your understanding of the Farming Laws and why they exist? Just complete ignorance to the fact that it's the United States Government propping up American Agriculture so the prices stay high enough to keep many farms afloat?

And this is again, mind you...95 YEARS old now. 

 

You are evidence that knowing a little bit about one thing and then just making the rest up based on some really ridiculous claims is actually dumber than simply being ignorant on a particular topic and trying to understand that topic. 

For instance, you COULD have tried to understand WHY they pay Farmers IN MISSOURI, IOWA, and other primarily Midwest States money to NOT farm, but instead, you just extrapolated that to California. 

 

 

One honest question. Do you TRULY believe the United States is stronger without California? Forget the larger argument, JUST answer that question? 

[red viking]

7 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

Yeah, without the 130 BILLION dollars California pays to the welfare states(the Red States) they could afford it.

 

Not to mention, they ARE the center of what is the most revolutionary technology MAYBE ever, but certainly in the last...130-140 years. 

You would need nuclear fusion or a similar energy-related breakthrough to make desalinization a viable solution. AI and most other technologies aren't going to help one bit at making desalinization cheaper. It's actually a simple process in terms of technology. I could do it myself. 

[Caveira]

7 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

Yeah, this is the level of stupid I expect.

 

You can't really call the most successful capitalist State in the Country(and again, the 4th largest GDP in the WORLD) "Commiefornia," unless that's just a default you go to when you're making a REALL stupid argument. 

 

And correct me if I'm wrong, but you ARE the one who brought up Pol Pot, the Cambodia who'd been dead since 1997 when there was a thread about who was the biggest threat when it came to domestic terrorism, right?

 

I don't even know what the "Pay people not to work," means. Is that your understanding of the Farming Laws and why they exist? Just complete ignorance to the fact that it's the United States Government propping up American Agriculture so the prices stay high enough to keep many farms afloat?

And this is again, mind you...95 YEARS old now. 

 

You are evidence that knowing a little bit about one thing and then just making the rest up based on some really ridiculous claims is actually dumber than simply being ignorant on a particular topic and trying to understand that topic. 

For instance, you COULD have tried to understand WHY they pay Farmers IN MISSOURI, IOWA, and other primarily Midwest States money to NOT farm, but instead, you just extrapolated that to California. 

 

 

One honest question. Do you TRULY believe the United States is stronger without California? Forget the larger argument, JUST answer that question? 

So many words in there.  What’s your question again?

[Caveira]

4 minutes ago, red viking said:

You would need nuclear fusion or a similar energy-related breakthrough to make desalinization a viable solution. AI and most other technologies aren't going to help one bit at making desalinization cheaper. It's actually a simple process in terms of technology. I could do it myself. 

I think Elon is working on it b

[red viking]

21 minutes ago, El Luchador said:

What I'm thinking is if can get rid of Commiefornia then we can stop wasting money paying people not to work. Hell once they lose their slave labor  they will most likely get priced out of the market.

I would absolutely LOVE it if we just got rid of the entire dirty south part of the country. I wish they had won the civil war (they were too weak to win though). They'd be a 3rd world country and the rest of us would be much better without those pieces of toilet trash. 

Edited 2 hours ago by red viking

[red viking]

8 minutes ago, Caveira said:

I think Elon is working on it b

Probably with another government grant, courtesy of U.S. taxpayers. 

[JimmySpeaks]

39 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

Sure they could Jimmy. You may not know this, but California is a coastal city. 

Lots of water. 

 

Enjoy drinking that salt water. 

[scourge165]

10 minutes ago, red viking said:

You would need nuclear fusion or a similar energy-related breakthrough to make desalinization a viable solution. AI and most other technologies aren't going to help one bit at making desalinization cheaper. It's actually a simple process in terms of technology. I could do it myself. 

Do people not know they have Desalination plants right now?

They also have companies like OKLO that make small Nuclear Power plants. 

 

And you would NOT need...Fusion...which would be the greatest scientific breakthrough in the HISTORY OF MAN to do something they're LITERALLY already doing RIGHT NOW. 

And yes, I know it's a simple technology. The Greeks were doing it...2500 years ago. Aristotle came up with it. 

 

It'd be expensive. California would have a WHOLE lot more money if they weren't part of the United States. 

[scourge165]

11 minutes ago, Caveira said:

So many words in there.  What’s your question again?

The one not directed at you, but underlined so as to to make it as simple as possible. 

 

There were so many stupid comments from El Luchador squeezed into a couple posts, but...scroll down. I'm confident you can find it. 

[JimmySpeaks]

California is broke.  And you think they can afford to live on salt water?   

[red viking]

5 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

Do people not know they have Desalination plants right now?

They also have companies like OKLO that make small Nuclear Power plants. 

 

And you would NOT need...Fusion...which would be the greatest scientific breakthrough in the HISTORY OF MAN to do something they're LITERALLY already doing RIGHT NOW. 

And yes, I know it's a simple technology. The Greeks were doing it...2500 years ago. Aristotle came up with it. 

 

It'd be expensive. California would have a WHOLE lot more money if they weren't part of the United States. 

Yes they have them, but they are only used in limited situations. There are a lot of conservation-related efforts that CA would do first before resorting to desalination to any significant extent. It's simply economics. 

Edited 2 hours ago by red viking

[JimmySpeaks]

Not to mention the negative effects it would have on marine life as a food and economic source. 

[scourge165]

13 minutes ago, Caveira said:

I think Elon is working on it b

On what? Desalination or do you think he's working on Fusion?

The answer is....no.

The French are the leaders in Fusion setting a record with 21 consecutive minutes a few months ago.

The only thing Elon is done is say...'we should make more desalination plants.' That's it. We have them. We have the technology for them. 

We have the power for them via companies like Oklo(a stock I told people to buy on here last year). 

 

They didn't want to build one where it was approved because the neighbors thought it'd look ugly. So it's NOT a matter of the inability to make one, it's the lack of desire or need as of now. 

They also need a better way to capture excess run off water in a man made underground(obviously) water basin.

 

But all far easier to solve then United States trying to recreate what Nvidia has done without Nvidia's aid(you could even give them AMD, though the MI400 is supposed to be only 4-5 years behind NVDA). Speaking of which, AMD and SMCI report earnings tonight. 

Given Nvidia owns ~92-94% of the market, this could be a good chance for a savvy investor to glean what Nvidia's report may look like in a few weeks. Just...saying. 

[JimmySpeaks]

And here I thought climate change was a problem.  

[Caveira]

12 minutes ago, red viking said:

Probably with another government grant, courtesy of U.S. taxpayers. 

No love for your environmental electric vehicle savior?

[scourge165]

3 minutes ago, JimmySpeaks said:

California is broke.  And you think they can afford to live on salt water?   

California has a budget shortfall of 10-12 BILLION dollars

They have a GDP of well over 4 TRILLION dollars.

They pay 130 BILLION dollars into the United States Government.

You can do simple math(I mean, math that's THIS simple).

Try and follow the thread. That 130B in excess that they pay in, 130B MORE than they get from the Federal Government, add that back to California and would you REALLY argue they're "broke?"

 

And Christ, if California with a 10B dollar deficit on a 4.5 TRILLION dollar GDP is broke, what in the HELL is the United States with a GDP of 29T(which has gone done since someone came back into office) and now a debt of ~40T with the 4 Trillion Trump just added with his "big beautiful bill."

[red viking]

3 minutes ago, Caveira said:

No love for your environmental electric vehicle savior?

Not sure about that one specifically, but ya gotta love the relationship he has with politicians, including pedo Trump. Donate billions to political campaigns and get billions per year in taxpayer dollars in return, for several of his businesses. 

Edited 2 hours ago by red viking