Team Points Will Be Deducted Until Morale Improves

[Wrestleknownothing]

As part of a project to recreate all the tournament scores by building up for the individual match to the team total, it is obvious that there is a key missing component: team point deductions.

So, now I am trying to back into them by assuming that any point total differential between my method and the publicly available scores is attributable to team point deductions (with a single caveat). 

Using that method I think there have been a total of 64 team points deducted in the 9 tournaments between 2016 and 2025. In three cases it looks like a team had 2 team point deductions in a single tournament.

The ill-mannered 64 are (sorry about the rough formatting):

 

[Wrestleknownothing]

If anyone knows on of these to be wrong, let me know.

[Wrestleknownothing]

The caveat is Arizona State in 2022. Rescoring the bracket gives them 67 points, but every source I look at says they had 66.5 points. I even went so far as to look at videos of every one of their matches I could find from the tournament to see if the bracket was in error. Nope.

No real controversy hear as the half point would not be enough to change their fourth place finish.

If anyone knows the story here, let me know.

[MPhillips]

How many of those deductions cost the IM64 a drop in final placement?

[Wrestleknownothing]

4 minutes ago, MPhillips said:

How many of those deductions cost the IM64 a drop in final placement?

Patience grasshopper

[MPhillips]

Just now, Wrestleknownothing said:

Patience grasshopper

Your world brother. "I'm just passing by."

I posted before your post came through so this is more like, "Great minds..."

[Wrestleknownothing]

While Iowa has lost the most points in these nine years (5), they could afford it.

But Chattanooga has to be my favorite. After scoring 1.5 points on the mat, they look to have given back 2 points in deductions for a net -0.5 score in 2017.

 

Edited Thursday at 07:44 PM by Wrestleknownothing

[CHROMEBIRD]

Pretty cool. Does the data also indicate the reasons for the team point deductions? At the end of the day points are points, but it might be fun to see which ones are headgear tosses and which ones are like, doing a cartwheel and attempting a Kimura on an opponent.

(Actually, I don't think Drexel was penalized for it, but you get the idea)

[Wrestleknownothing]

24 minutes ago, CHROMEBIRD said:

Pretty cool. Does the data also indicate the reasons for the team point deductions? At the end of the day points are points, but it might be fun to see which ones are headgear tosses and which ones are like, doing a cartwheel and attempting a Kimura on an opponent.

(Actually, I don't think Drexel was penalized for it, but you get the idea)

This is just implied deductions based on scoring differences. I do not know of any database with the actual deductions. 

[Wrestleknownothing]

1 hour ago, MPhillips said:

How many of those deductions cost the IM64 a drop in final placement?

2016 Iowa could have shared the fourth place trophy with West Virginia with slightly better behavior. Instead they finished 1 point back in fifth. Granted West Virginia also lost a team point that year, but Iowa could have been there to take advantage of that.

2019 Missouri did not lose out on the podium, but they would have been fifth, a half point ahead of Michigan, instead of sixth, a half point behind.

2025 Ohio State had sole possession of fifth place had they not dropped a point and dropped into a tie with Minnesota.

There are a whole bunch more once you get to the lower scores, but not much interesting.

Edited Thursday at 09:03 PM by Wrestleknownothing

[MPhillips]

Cheers brother...

[Wrestleknownothing]

9 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

The caveat is Arizona State in 2022. Rescoring the bracket gives them 67 points, but every source I look at says they had 66.5 points. I even went so far as to look at videos of every one of their matches I could find from the tournament to see if the bracket was in error. Nope.

No real controversy hear as the half point would not be enough to change their fourth place finish.

If anyone knows the story here, let me know.

Though I can find nothing in the 2022 rulebook stating this penalty, according to Trackwrestling (thanks @gimpeltf) apparently Arizona State lost a half point for a uniform violation.

Coincidence? Or perhaps foreshadowing a certain singlet pull?

[11986]

18 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

2016 Iowa could have shared the fourth place trophy with West Virginia with slightly better behavior. Instead they finished 1 point back in fifth. Granted West Virginia also lost a team point that year, but Iowa could have been there to take advantage of that.

 

think you meant Virginia Tech 

[Wrestleknownothing]

40 minutes ago, 11986 said:

think you meant Virginia Tech 

you are correct