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Posted
33 minutes ago, ionel said:

The Director of NI says declassified documents revealing "overwhelming evidencelet's see how it plays out.

Yah;  these Trumptard cabinet members are always 100% honest. Especially when they get fired for saying anything that Trump doesn't like. 

Let me know when there's a shred of anything specific that comes out or Obama gets arrested. If it's truly overwhelming, he should have been arrested by now. 

Posted
2 hours ago, red viking said:

Let me know when there's a shred of anything specific that comes out or Obama gets arrested. If it's truly overwhelming, he should have been arrested by now. 

You think Obama is gonna be arrested or is that just you lying again?

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Let's just assume that the allegations are true, just as a thought exercise.   Does the SCOTUS decision protect Obama?   That is the question that no one has answered yet.  

It doesn't matter if there will be a prosecution, indictment, or anything.    Assuming the allegation is true, does the SCOTUS decision protect Obama?

mspart

Posted
8 minutes ago, mspart said:

Let's just assume that the allegations are true, just as a thought exercise.   Does the SCOTUS decision protect Obama?   That is the question that no one has answered yet.  

It doesn't matter if there will be a prosecution, indictment, or anything.    Assuming the allegation is true, does the SCOTUS decision protect Obama?

mspart

So right off the bat, what is the specific allegations against Obama you would like to discuss. Gabbard says Obama Obama in the headlines, but the report, of which what has been released doesn't say much that would lead to any criminal charges, speaks to officials in the administration.

Once you establish in your hypothetical specifically what is being alleged by Obama that may be a criminal offense in usual circumstance, we can then look specifically to the opinion given in the presidential immunity case, and try to answer your hypothetical from there.  

Posted
13 minutes ago, mspart said:

Let's just assume that the allegations are true, just as a thought exercise.   Does the SCOTUS decision protect Obama?   That is the question that no one has answered yet.  

It doesn't matter if there will be a prosecution, indictment, or anything.    Assuming the allegation is true, does the SCOTUS decision protect Obama?

mspart

Don't know, but if he "manufactured evidence" as the wingers are proclaiming, I don't think he would be protected. Just a best guess. I don't think that manufacturing evidence falls within the presidential duties. 

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31 minutes ago, mspart said:

Let's just assume that the allegations are true, just as a thought exercise.   Does the SCOTUS decision protect Obama?   That is the question that no one has answered yet.  

It doesn't matter if there will be a prosecution, indictment, or anything.    Assuming the allegation is true, does the SCOTUS decision protect Obama?

mspart

Yes

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Posted
1 hour ago, red viking said:

Don't know, but if he "manufactured evidence" as the wingers are proclaiming, I don't think he would be protected. Just a best guess. I don't think that manufacturing evidence falls within the presidential duties. 

Thank you for a straight answer RV.   Much appreciated. 

mspart

Posted
1 hour ago, ionel said:

Yes

Succinct answer.   Different than RVs.   I disagree in that I don't think manufacturing intel data that goes against the data collected over the  past 6 months with the express intent to stymie the incoming president is in the President's duties as put forth in the Constitution.  But I can see where it could be argued otherwise.   Argued unsuccessfully in my opinion, but still there could be an argument.    

mspart

Posted
1 hour ago, mspart said:

Succinct answer.   Different than RVs.   I disagree in that I don't think manufacturing intel data that goes against the data collected over the  past 6 months with the express intent to stymie the incoming president is in the President's duties as put forth in the Constitution.  But I can see where it could be argued otherwise.   Argued unsuccessfully in my opinion, but still there could be an argument.    

mspart

What are they going to do to him if the answer is no?  Maybe he can blame it in the autopen.  Regardless nothing will ever happen to him.  

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Posted
1 hour ago, ionel said:

What are they going to do to him if the answer is no?  Maybe he can blame it in the autopen.  Regardless nothing will ever happen to him.  

I think this is true.   I don't see them going after Obama, although it looks like he orchestrated it from the descriptions I've read.   

mspart

Posted
5 minutes ago, mspart said:

I think this is true.   I don't see them going after Obama, although it looks like he orchestrated it from the descriptions I've read.   

mspart

I think it would be political suicide.  

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