Klepto in Chief?

[Caveira]

9 hours ago, GreatWhiteNorth said:

Here's what's interesting... roughly half (some estimate as high as 70%) of the people swept up in the ICE raids have no criminal record!

100% of illegal aliens committed a crime.  

[Tripnsweep]

6 hours ago, Caveira said:

100% of illegal aliens committed a crime.  

False. 

[Tripnsweep]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vanguardngr.com/2025/07/2026-world-cup-fifa-considers-moving-games-from-usa-to-canada-amid-immigration-policies/amp/

If this happens, our economy loses big-time because of Trump. But as long as he gets to discriminate against brown and black people, who cares right? 

[Caveira]

2 minutes ago, Tripnsweep said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vanguardngr.com/2025/07/2026-world-cup-fifa-considers-moving-games-from-usa-to-canada-amid-immigration-policies/amp/

If this happens, our economy loses big-time because of Trump. But as long as he gets to discriminate against brown and black people, who cares right? 

It’s not discrimination to deport illegal aliens.  They broke the law.  Every single one of them.  

[WrestlingRasta]

2 hours ago, Caveira said:

It’s not discrimination to deport illegal aliens.  They broke the law.  Every single one of them.  

Correct. But a problem exists in the number of people being swept up who are not illegal.  Hence FIFA’s concern.  

[Caveira]

13 minutes ago, WrestlingRasta said:

Correct. But a problem exists in the number of people being swept up who are not illegal.  Hence FIFA’s concern.  

Meh.  Political theatre tbh 

 

also you can save your moral indignation when you find a rando trump story about deporting  an one off American accidentally.  Obama the reporter in Chief did you. 

Edited yesterday at 01:24 AM by Caveira

[Caveira]

24 minutes ago, WrestlingRasta said:

Correct. But a problem exists in the number of people being swept up who are not illegal.  Hence FIFA’s concern.  

FIFA is a top 5 most corrupt organization on earth.  You can save your moral indignation 

[WrestlingRasta]

22 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Meh.  Political theatre tbh 

 

also you can save your moral indignation when you find a rando trump story about deporting  an one off American accidentally.  Obama the reporter in Chief did you. 

Wait….what???   Your writing skills are catching up to your comprehension skills. 

[WrestlingRasta]

1 minute ago, Caveira said:

FIFA is a top 5 most corrupt organization on earth.  You can save your moral indignation 

Always looking to shift.   That has zero to do with the number of people being swept up who are not illegal.  But hey, you do you, whatever you can to give you your warm fuzzies!!

You’re approaching Jimmy levels of adorable with having to quote the same post multiple times…

Edited yesterday at 01:36 AM by WrestlingRasta

[Caveira]

2 minutes ago, WrestlingRasta said:

Wait….what???   Your writing skills are catching up to your comprehension skills. 

You’re going to find a story where 1 random American was deported.  Obama did it on accident too.  So save it 

[WrestlingRasta]

2 minutes ago, Caveira said:

You’re going to find a story where 1 random American was deported.  Obama did it on accident too.  So save it 

One?   Okay . Get your warm fuzzies.  More shifting.  We’ve went from FIFA to Obama
 

And….what am I saving??

Edited yesterday at 01:40 AM by WrestlingRasta

[Caveira]

6 minutes ago, WrestlingRasta said:

One?   Okay . Get your warm fuzzies.  More shifting.  We’ve went from FIFA to Obama
 

And….what am I saving??

Both are political theatre arguments.  

[Tripnsweep]

Trump essentially stole the CWC trophy, and pocketed a winner's medal. Neither of which he earned, and only has because he took them and refused to return them. 

[Tripnsweep]

7 hours ago, Caveira said:

It’s not discrimination to deport illegal aliens.  They broke the law.  Every single one of them.  

Being present in the US without current documents is not a criminal offense. It's a civil violation, like a speeding ticket. 

Source: Working in an immigration law firm for a decade. 

[GreatWhiteNorth]

16 hours ago, Caveira said:

100% of illegal aliens committed a crime.  

Nope. Not true. (see Trip's post above)

But 100% of the current President has committed a long list of crimes, including at least a couple dozen felonies.
(See link in earlier post.)

I agree we should fight crime. It's time to 8647.

Let's impeach this lying fat old orange mush brain and put the country back on track.

Edited yesterday at 06:10 AM by GreatWhiteNorth

[Lipdrag]

7 hours ago, Tripnsweep said:

Being present in the US without current documents is not a criminal offense. It's a civil violation, like a speeding ticket. 

Source: Working in an immigration law firm for a decade. 

Several points of discussion here:

1 - It is still against the law - just like speeding is against the law. 

2 - Current documents implies proper documents were in place at one time.  So, let's stipulate that lapsed documents is not a crime.  However, just like speeding this violation comes with penalties.  Additionally, the penalties escalate with the severity of the circumstances.  You can lose your privilege to drive and be jailed for speeding so egregiously that you endanger life and limb of others.   For legal (at one time) aliens the penalty can range from "fix it in 2 weeks" to deportation with no option to return.

3 - Driving without a license or on a suspended license is a crime.  If proper immigration and residence papers were never obtained then we are dealing with criminals, not civil violators.

4 - Another apt analogy to the traffic comparison:  Traffic check points for seat belts or DUI.  People who are stone cold sober and wearing their seat belts get "swept up".  Then they are quickly released when they are not the target of the enforcement action.  

Source:  living in America

[Caveira]

8 hours ago, GreatWhiteNorth said:

impeach

Impeach him.  Your cute.  For what specifically?

[Tripnsweep]

4 hours ago, Lipdrag said:

Several points of discussion here:

1 - It is still against the law - just like speeding is against the law. 

2 - Current documents implies proper documents were in place at one time.  So, let's stipulate that lapsed documents is not a crime.  However, just like speeding this violation comes with penalties.  Additionally, the penalties escalate with the severity of the circumstances.  You can lose your privilege to drive and be jailed for speeding so egregiously that you endanger life and limb of others.   For legal (at one time) aliens the penalty can range from "fix it in 2 weeks" to deportation with no option to return.

3 - Driving without a license or on a suspended license is a crime.  If proper immigration and residence papers were never obtained then we are dealing with criminals, not civil violators.

4 - Another apt analogy to the traffic comparison:  Traffic check points for seat belts or DUI.  People who are stone cold sober and wearing their seat belts get "swept up".  Then they are quickly released when they are not the target of the enforcement action.  

Source:  living in America

1. But it's not a criminal violation. You aren't supposed to let your dog poop on public property without picking it up, because you can get fined. A civil violation of law is very different from a criminal one. 

2. No it doesn't. And I know people who came here in various ways that weren't official and still don't have the proper documentation. Just not having documentation, regardless of how you arrived here, is still not a crime. What *IS* a crime is if the border patrol actually sees you cross the border without authorization. They can't charge you with a crime for simply being present and nothing else. 

3. If you commit a crime, regardless of whether you're here legally or a citizen, you're going to face consequences no matter what. 

4. That is true of anyone. Case in point, a few years ago the attorney I worked for had a case where a guy got pulled over on the freeway driving a van with 8 undocumented day laborers in the back. The police called ICE or BP (I forget which) and they asked if they had committed a crime. The police said no they hadn't, and ICE/BP said ok that they weren't going to come out because nobody had committed a crime. 

[Caveira]

21 minutes ago, Tripnsweep said:

1. But it's not a criminal violation. You aren't supposed to let your dog poop on public property without picking it up, because you can get fined. A civil violation of law is very different from a criminal one. 

2. No it doesn't. And I know people who came here in various ways that weren't official and still don't have the proper documentation. Just not having documentation, regardless of how you arrived here, is still not a crime. What *IS* a crime is if the border patrol actually sees you cross the border without authorization. They can't charge you with a crime for simply being present and nothing else. 

3. If you commit a crime, regardless of whether you're here legally or a citizen, you're going to face consequences no matter what. 

4. That is true of anyone. Case in point, a few years ago the attorney I worked for had a case where a guy got pulled over on the freeway driving a van with 8 undocumented day laborers in the back. The police called ICE or BP (I forget which) and they asked if they had committed a crime. The police said no they hadn't, and ICE/BP said ok that they weren't going to come out because nobody had committed a crime. 

Entering the country illegally is a criminal offense in the United States. Specifically, it's a misdemeanor for the first offense, and can be prosecuted as a felony for subsequent offenses or after deportation. While the broader concept of being present in the US without proper documentation is a civil matter handled by immigration courts, the act of entering illegally is a federal crime. 

Here's a more detailed breakdown: 

Illegal Entry:

Entering the US without inspection or authorization is a crime under 8 U.S.C. 1325. 

[Caveira]

Before you answer.  It hardly matters.  Both categories need deporting.    &nbs
 

For the ones you say didn’t get caught.  Where are their:

if you enter the United States legally, you will receive paperwork to prove it. This typically comes in the form of an I-94 Arrival/Departure Record, which is issued by U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP). For many, this I-94 is now obtained electronically, but it is still a record of your legal entry and authorized stay.

 

these can be looked up electronically so losing them is a crapola excuse 

Edited yesterday at 06:42 PM by Caveira

[Tripnsweep]

3 hours ago, Caveira said:

Before you answer.  It hardly matters.  Both categories need deporting.    &nbs
 

For the ones you say didn’t get caught.  Where are their:

if you enter the United States legally, you will receive paperwork to prove it. This typically comes in the form of an I-94 Arrival/Departure Record, which is issued by U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP). For many, this I-94 is now obtained electronically, but it is still a record of your legal entry and authorized stay.

 

these can be looked up electronically so losing them is a crapola excuse 

Congratulations. You've discovered Google. Also unless the BP actually sees you doing it, they cannot charge you with the crime of illegal entry. That's exactly how the law is written.Simply being present is not a criminal act. Now if you commit a real crime that obviously makes being present worse. Like speeding isn't a big deal, but if you drive 80mph through a school zone, you'll be lucky if you aren't arrested and charged with criminal speeding. 

[Caveira]

7 minutes ago, Tripnsweep said:

Congratulations. You've discovered Google. Also unless the BP actually sees you doing it, they cannot charge you with the crime of illegal entry. That's exactly how the law is written.Simply being present is not a criminal act. Now if you commit a real crime that obviously makes being present worse. Like speeding isn't a big deal, but if you drive 80mph through a school zone, you'll be lucky if you aren't arrested and charged with criminal speeding. 

It’s still deportable boss.   And that’s all that really matters isn’t it ?

and team blue letting this happen and your word soup semantics doesn’t change the fact that they have to go 

Edited 21 hours ago by Caveira

[reversaloffortune]

One citizen or legal resident deported in the ice raids is too many.  Slippery slopes and all.

[ionel]

2 hours ago, reversaloffortune said:

One citizen or legal resident deported in the ice raids is too many.  Slippery slopes and all.

Curious where would a US citizen be deported to and when has this happened?  

What's the definition of a legal resident?  

[Tripnsweep]

4 hours ago, Caveira said:

It’s still deportable boss.   And that’s all that really matters isn’t it ?

and team blue letting this happen and your word soup semantics doesn’t change the fact that they have to go 

And there's the game. Can you look at somebody and tell me who doesn't have documentation? What if somebody doesn't commit a crime? Then how are you going to figure it out? It's a fact that undocumented immigrants commit crimes at a much lower ratio than US citizens and permanent residents. Not saying everyone is perfect, but if I wasn't there with the right documents, I think avoiding anything that could alert the police to me is something I'd do. 

I wasn't born in this country. Neither was my wife. Her status is very clear as a permanent resident. It's still unsettling that one or both of us could get swept up.