US just dropped Bombs on 3 nuclear sites. Fordow, Natanz and Esfahan.

[Caveira]

17 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

Arizona has closed primaries.  He registered as a Republican in order to cast a sabotage vote in Republican primaries. 

That was in the arena of my guess.  He has never voted for a republican and it is morally disingenuous to pretend he is open minded in this arena. 
 

and to pretend he is a real registered republican.   Disingenuous 

Edited Tuesday at 08:42 PM by Caveira

[Tripnsweep]

18 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

Arizona has closed primaries.  He registered as a Republican in order to cast a sabotage vote in Republican primaries. 

I voted for Huntsman. Last time I voted for a Republican in any presidential election. 

[Caveira]

11 minutes ago, Tripnsweep said:

Huntsman

 

11 minutes ago, Tripnsweep said:

I voted for Huntsman. Last time I voted for a Republican in any presidential election. 

How many delegates did he finish with I forgot ?

[Scouts Honor]

LOLOL

[Scouts Honor]

he just confirmed your statement that it was sabotage

[Offthemat]

20 minutes ago, Tripnsweep said:

I voted for Huntsman. Last time I voted for a Republican in any presidential election. 

That’s odd.  Huntsman dropped out of the 2012 race after the New Hampshire primary, so he was never in a presidential election.  According to wikipedia, the only source I’ve yet to find that has a complete list of candidates, he wasn’t on Arizona’s primary ballot.  Were you in New Hampshire in 2012?

[Caveira]

1 minute ago, Offthemat said:

That’s odd.  Huntsman dropped out of the 2012 race after the New Hampshire primary, so he was never in a presidential election.  According to wikipedia, the only source I’ve yet to find that has a complete list of candidates, he wasn’t on Arizona’s primary ballot.  Were you in New Hampshire in 2012?

Says on same wiki page ?   He didn’t get 1 delegate did he ?

[Offthemat]

Just now, Caveira said:

Says on same wiki page ?   He didn’t get 1 delegate did he ?

He placed third in New Hampshire and was awarded 2 delegates. 

[Tripnsweep]

11 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

That’s odd.  Huntsman dropped out of the 2012 race after the New Hampshire primary, so he was never in a presidential election.  According to wikipedia, the only source I’ve yet to find that has a complete list of candidates, he wasn’t on Arizona’s primary ballot.  Were you in New Hampshire in 2012?

I didn't vote in the 2016 primaries. I wasn't paying attention when I replied. I did vote for McCain in 2008 but when he picked a moron as his VP I voted for Obama. 

[Caveira]

8 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

He placed third in New Hampshire and was awarded 2 delegates. 

Ok so I was wrong.  Tks 

[Caveira]

Just now, Tripnsweep said:

I didn't vote in the 2016 primaries. I wasn't paying attention when I replied. I did vote for McCain in 2008 but when he picked a moron as his VP I voted for Obama. 

So which republican did you ever vote for in an actual presidential election.  

[JimmySpeaks]

18 hours ago, GreatWhiteNorth said:

Those are not my words (read the thread, dummy. It's just above.)

Those are your words, and your words are a constant string of lies.

What's really too bad is that a "constant string of lies" used to be a condemnation less than a decade ago.

Now, with the orange trumptard at the helm, it's just another day in politics. And people like you support that crap.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/iran-assesses-the-damage-and-lashes-out-after-israeli-and-u-s-strikes-damage-its-nuclear-sites/ar-AA1HMlnz?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=74727f66e86d41baafb0a31c4c564384&ei=44
 

even Iran acknowledges that their nuclear sites were severely damaged.  Keep buying into the propaganda that they were only set back 3 months.  Snow plow driver doubles asa sheeple 

[Undefeated]

On 6/30/2025 at 10:33 PM, Gene Mills Fan said:

I think each of our peoples respect the others cultures and people. the govts of all have good and bad ways of trying to gain popularity and strength and remain in power. Many of our govt policies were reactionary, to extremists. our help in removing soviet and British policy was muddied with the support for the shah, but then innocents were held hostage in 79. So now you have bad sentiment among voters and the people.  So the many innocent Iranians are grouped with this bad event bolstered by idology.  We also have many Iranians here living peacefully and denouncing some of your oppression and here of their struggles and imprisonment. Maybe many here are too uneducated please keep explaining. We do not see active rallies here denouncing your country only social media blurbs.

About the 1979 hostage crisis — I assume you’re referring to the U.S. Embassy incident. You probably know that many of the sanctions the U.S. has imposed on Iran are because of that event. And you likely also know that these sanctions mainly hurt ordinary Iranian people — people who not only had no role in the hostage-taking, but many of whom were actually opposed to those extremists.

I have a question for those who still support sanctions on Iranian civilians because of that incident. Do you know this person:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad-Reza_Khatami
He was one of the people involved in taking Americans hostage. He has two daughters — Narges and Leila. Narges currently lives in the UK, and Leila lives in the U.S.!

And how about this person — do you know her?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masoumeh_Ebtekar
She was also one of the hostage-takers.
This photo shows her during that time:
https://rooziato.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/12788-768x432.jpg
And this next one shows her years later, still stepping on the American flag:
https://rooziato.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/unnamed-2.jpg
Now take a look at this picture — it’s her son. Can you guess where he lives? The United States.
https://rooziato.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/no_title__930x510_q85_box-310784390_crop_subsampling-2_upscale-2-768x421.jpg

You probably haven’t heard of this person either:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habibollah_Bitaraf
He was also involved in taking Americans hostage — one of the more dangerous ones. Now click the link below — it’s his daughter’s page at the Virginia Tech Advanced Research Institute:
https://ari.vt.edu/ari_people/hamideh_bitaraf.html

If I wanted to list all the hostage-takers and their children who now live in the U.S., it would be a very long list. So now I have a simple question:

Why is it that the families and children of the hostage-takers are allowed to live in America — but I, who oppose those hostage-takers, am sanctioned in Iran?

[Scouts Honor]

maybe someday we can kick them out... 

[JimmySpeaks]

5 hours ago, Tripnsweep said:

I didn't vote in the 2016 primaries. I wasn't paying attention when I replied. I did vote for McCain in 2008 but when he picked a moron as his VP I voted for Obama. 

Speaking of being a moron 

[JimmySpeaks]

10 hours ago, Tripnsweep said:

I'm a registered Republican. 

Bahahahahahhahahahhahahahhahahahahahahahahha and a registered liar 

[JimmySpeaks]

On 6/29/2025 at 12:36 PM, Undefeated said:

Hi @JimmySpeaks.

Sorry I can't quote your post, my internet connection is not good at the moment and the forum doesn't load completely.

 

Bahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahha.  E ooooo eeeeeeeeeeeee

[Caveira]

Just now, JimmySpeaks said:

Bahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahha.  E ooooo eeeeeeeeeeeee

I think @Undefeated comes in peace boss.   He has a perspective we cannot comprehend.    I think it’s important to listen to it.  People may not agree bur I think we should listen. 

[Undefeated]

About the bombing of the nuclear sites , Trump had pushed Khamenei into a corner, close to collapse, and then made a deal with them: We’ll bomb your nuclear sites, and you, in order to maintain your authority among your domestic supporters, will carry out a symbolic attack on our military base in Qatar — a completely controlled and limited strike.

In the end, I believe all three — Israel, the U.S., and the Islamic Republic — achieved their goals.

Israel eliminated senior IRGC commanders and, with U.S. help, at least temporarily got rid of Iran’s enriched uranium stockpiles. Meanwhile, the Islamic Republic used the crisis to unify the country internally for the first time in a long while. They arrested many political opponents under the pretext of “collaboration with Israel,” and doubled the price of essential goods and staples in the country.

Even the deaths of military commanders didn’t actually harm the regime. Those commanders weren’t experts — in Iran, senior military positions are handed out based on loyalty to Khamenei (and in my opinion, to Putin), not based on any real military skill or experience. They’re just a bunch of unqualified, loyal enforcers. The regime easily replaced them with other loyalists.

Over the course of just two weeks, prices of basic goods like eggs, groceries, everything doubled in Iran.

The result of the war: all the governments profited — and ordinary people paid the price.

[Undefeated]

Even the people that the Islamic Republic presents as “nuclear scientists” — and some of whom were killed by Israel in this conflict — are, in reality, not nuclear scientists at all. Most of them don’t do any scientific or research-based work. They’re involved in operational or logistical tasks related to Iran’s nuclear programs or affiliated projects.

Just because someone has a degree in physics and works with the Islamic Republic doesn’t make them a nuclear scientist. Many of these individuals haven’t published a single scientific paper in any reputable physics journal or related field.

The Islamic Republic calls a bunch of loyal operatives “nuclear scientists” simply to gain public sympathy and rally people behind them.

[Offthemat]

@Undefeated A common attitude here is that if it gets uncomfortable enough, the Iranians will change their leadership, one way or another.  We know from past experience that if we do it for you, it will create chaos and resentment for us.  Even when your economy is down your leadership spends exorbitantly on terrorism and nuclear weapons .  That’s what we want to stop.  So our gov’t tries to keep them pinched down as much as possible.  The average American doesn’t hold ill will for the average Iranian, or average Russian, or average Chinaman, but until we figure out how to get by without governments, we’re the ones stuck holding the bag. 

[GreatWhiteNorth]

15 hours ago, Bigbrog said:

How ironic for a guy who talks about morality, honesty, ethics, principles, and integrity turns around with this doozy of a post.

Don't care much about which political party. But I do, fiercely, believe in morality, honesty, ethics, principles, and integrity.

In what way do you somehow think I don't?

[GreatWhiteNorth]

15 hours ago, JimmySpeaks said:

Words I took from your dreaded comments.  The words you say then ignore as fact.  Like you being a snow plow driver from Minnesota. 

Show us a single post. You won't be able to. They don't exist.

But keep on being sloppy. That suits you.

[GreatWhiteNorth]

13 hours ago, Scouts Honor said:

there time is history... get over it.

so we shouldn't talk about the mistakes they made. noted.

 

btw, have you found a post yet to prove that you are independent? 

Word salad is the best you can do?

[Undefeated]

16 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

@Undefeated A common attitude here is that if it gets uncomfortable enough, the Iranians will change their leadership, one way or another.  We know from past experience that if we do it for you, it will create chaos and resentment for us.  Even when your economy is down your leadership spends exorbitantly on terrorism and nuclear weapons .  That’s what we want to stop.  So our gov’t tries to keep them pinched down as much as possible.  The average American doesn’t hold ill will for the average Iranian, or average Russian, or average Chinaman, but until we figure out how to get by without governments, we’re the ones stuck holding the bag. 

That’s true. But even the Germans didn’t overthrow Hitler themselves—just like the Russians didn’t overthrow Stalin. I had a German friend who once told me that his father was still a supporter of Hitler years after he was gone. Probably only people who’ve lived under regimes like Nazi Germany or Stalin’s USSR can truly understand that the chances of overthrowing the Islamic Republic without outside help are close to zero.

I’ve read a lot of books about life under dictatorships, but I can honestly say that none of those regimes were as dangerous as the Islamic Republic. The reason? The supporters of this regime have something the others didn’t: deep religious fanaticism and a twisted interpretation of Islam where Khamenei is seen as being above even God.

And then there’s the fact that the children and families of top Islamic Republic officials are living in the U.S.—which totally contradicts America’s supposed goal of pressuring the regime. For example, Gholam-Ali Haddad-Adel, one of Khamenei’s top advisors, a relative of his, and one of the most dangerous figures in the regime—his daughter lives in New York!