Penn State, Ohio State - sex abuse problems

[The Kid]

4 hours ago, ionel said:

Just because it's a "documentary" doesnt mean it is completely factual/true.  

Wait, are you defending Strauss???

(sarcasm)

[The Kid]

3 hours ago, Doublehalf said:

Which part of the documentary about a physician using his position of authority to sexually abuse and rape students, students athletes, and adults should we deem as not factual?

Should I view documentaries about the holocaust with the skepticism you are suggesting here? 

Or is it because maybe this puts a dent in the image you may have of Ohio state, people abusing their authoritative power, coaches that you may align with politically  or any other closely held beliefs?

The holocaust?  Oy vey!

[1032004]

6 hours ago, OhioHusker said:

Not really moved by your opinion of my post. Sorry.

The bottom line is that people are claiming to have been abused for the payday. Could their be a few real victims? Probably, but there sure isn't hundreds. 

And outside of wrestling, nobody would care about OSU wrestling if it didn't involve Jim Jordan. It is purely political theater.

I'm not defending Hellickson, but he didn't employ Strauss, the Ohio State did. His and Jordan's name have been dragged through the mud but they aren't the bad guys in this story. 

 

How do you know there weren’t hundreds of victims?  Heck, even if he only did this to 1 or 2 people per team per year, he worked with multiple teams and was there for 20 years.  Not that hard to get to hundreds.

Completely disagree about the “nobody would care about it if it didn’t involve Jim Jordan.”  The documentary wasn’t just about the wrestlers.  The most severe claims in it were made by a hockey player, and the fencing coach and a non-athlete were also a major part of the documentary.

And as was discussed earlier, the wrestlers did not say Jordan or Hellickson were “the bad guys,” they were just disappointed in how they turned their backs on them when they went public, particularly because Hellickson had initially said he would support them but then ghosted them, seemingly at the urging of Jordan.

 

[1032004]

4 hours ago, Paul158 said:

I have never seen nor heard of a referee showering at a high school or college especially the athlete's showers. Has anyone else ever heard of a referee showering at a school. 

At the school, yes.   Generally it would be in the coach’s office or something but they might not always have a separate shower.  But IIRC the referee in the story assumed he was going to be the only one in there at the time, and was caught off guard when Strauss joined him.

[JimmyCinnabon]

6 hours ago, OhioHusker said:

I'm not defending anything. If it happened, so be it, and people will get paid. What I do know is there are numerous people who have claimed to have been abused that were not because they want to get paid. 

And the guy who started this whole thing had a fund raiser for a dead Buckeye wrestler's family and reportedly stole the money. He was a Marine who died in Iraq. 

Well I tried. 

[1032004]

4 hours ago, ionel said:

I haven't watched it nor do I care to.  But does it tell Jordan's side of the story.  Does it delve into how he had no authority in the issue or said parameters.  Does it delve into the culture of universities in general and their shoot the messenger mentality related to academic fraud or other as reported up to higher admin.  Did it address where Ohio St fit in that regard versus other peer universities.  Clearly it wasn't right but why didn't grown men rise up and stop it?  That aspect of PSU and MSU is perhaps more understandable.  Did it lay out the theory that this is a Big 10 problem given 3 major universities.  Again idk.  

It told Jordan’s side of the story that he’s said whenever he’s been asked: “He never heard of any abuse.”

They did talk about how Jordan was just a young coach at the time.  Some of the wrestlers made comments about how they considered Hellickson as like a second father, but I believe said Jordan was more like a brother.

It did talk about all the times the abuse was formally reported (unfortunately, most of which was not from the wrestling team) and nothing was done.  And how they forced the non-student Strauss abused to be in a meeting with him where Strauss yelled at him, and how Strauss filed complaints against people that complained about him.  And how he was still able to retire in good standing despite even all the complaints that were on record.

It did talk about the Nassar story in particular.  DiSabato claimed seeing the press around that is when he realized what happened to them was abuse (although I’m sure @OhioHusker will just say he saw dollar signs).

It really didn’t focus much on Jordan at all, and where it did was driven by the perspectives of the wrestlers (and the referee), and not even really DiSabato, as others mentioned the other guys it did focus on all seemed like stand up dudes.

[Doublehalf]

54 minutes ago, JimmyCinnabon said:

Well I tried. 

I don't care what anyone says about you Jimmy, you are one funny dude...