Is it a Genocide?

[red viking]

7 minutes ago, JimmySpeaks said:

It’s the  wokester wingers that think from the river to the sea is what needs to happen.  Supporting terrorists while denying people with no place to go a homeland. And you can stick the “they can co-exist crap where the sun don’t shine as neither side wants to. 

Show me where I or somebody else said we should give the land to the Palestinians. I know I certainly didn't. My position is that we should just stay out of it right now and let Israel defend themselves but not continue to give them blank checks and weapons for whatever atrocities they want to continue to commit. 

[JimmySpeaks]

1 minute ago, red viking said:

Show me where I or somebody else said we should give the land to the Palestinians. I know I certainly didn't. My position is that we should just stay out of it right now and let Israel defend themselves but not continue to give them blank checks and weapons for whatever atrocities they want to continue to commit. 

If Israel isnt protected, from the river to the sea is exactly what will happen. Again, the UN and the World feel differently than you do.  And as much as you think you know more than the world does you don’t.  

[red viking]

32 minutes ago, JimmySpeaks said:

If Israel isnt protected, from the river to the sea is exactly what will happen. Again, the UN and the World feel differently than you do.  And as much as you think you know more than the world does you don’t.  

Not our job to be the policemen of the world, or for our taxpayers to give Israel blank checks. Donate the money yourself if you want to help them. 

Fact of the matter is that you will ALWAYS (as in for eternity) have problems when you hand over land designated to be ruled by a specific ethnoreligious group in a larger area that is dominated by another ethnic group. This problem will never go away unless/until one side is exterminated, unfortunately, so I don't see it as a good idea to be involved with. Plus, it puts our entire country at risk of a nuclear incident, another 9/11, etc. 

The problem gets worse when the Israelis continue to ruthlessly murder children and women. 

Edited yesterday at 03:17 PM by red viking

[uncle bernard]

26 minutes ago, JimmySpeaks said:

If Israel isnt protected, from the river to the sea is exactly what will happen. Again, the UN and the World feel differently than you do.  And as much as you think you know more than the world does you don’t.  

“Protecting Israel” does not mean you have to kill 50,000 civilians. 

And the “world” is not on your side. The UN has sanctioned Israel over and over again. If the US didn’t have total veto power, they would have been far more severe with punishment. The ICC charged them with war crimes. Even Germany, the most pro-Israel country in Europe, just came out and said they can no longer support what Israel is doing in Gaza. 

So take your own advice and start listening to what the rest of the world is telling you about Israel.

[JimmySpeaks]

3 hours ago, uncle bernard said:

“Protecting Israel” does not mean you have to kill 50,000 civilians. 

And the “world” is not on your side. The UN has sanctioned Israel over and over again. If the US didn’t have total veto power, they would have been far more severe with punishment. The ICC charged them with war crimes. Even Germany, the most pro-Israel country in Europe, just came out and said they can no longer support what Israel is doing in Gaza. 

So take your own advice and start listening to what the rest of the world is telling you about Israel.

Sorry that comment about the world went over your head.  The “world” and the UN was on the side of giving the Jewish people a home nation since the Nazis tried to exterminate them.  So ya the world was on the same side as me.   

[JimmySpeaks]

3 hours ago, uncle bernard said:

“Protecting Israel” does not mean you have to kill 50,000 civilians. 

And the “world” is not on your side. The UN has sanctioned Israel over and over again. If the US didn’t have total veto power, they would have been far more severe with punishment. The ICC charged them with war crimes. Even Germany, the most pro-Israel country in Europe, just came out and said they can no longer support what Israel is doing in Gaza. 

So take your own advice and start listening to what the rest of the world is telling you about Israel.

America hasn’t killed anyone over there so I’m not sure what that first sentence even means.  

[red viking]

Just now, JimmySpeaks said:

America hasn’t killed anyone over there so I’m not sure what that first sentence even means.  

The U.S. (at taxpayer expense) provides funding and weapons and refuses to condemn Israel for any of their atrocious actions  whatsoever. 

[red viking]

3 minutes ago, JimmySpeaks said:

Sorry that comment about the world went over your head.  The “world” and the UN was on the side of giving the Jewish people a home nation since the Nazis tried to exterminate them.  So ya the world was on the same side as me.   

It was a knee jerk reaction to the Holocaust. Wouldn't have been nearly as popular at any other time in world history. 

[Caveira]

1 minute ago, red viking said:

The U.S. (at taxpayer expense) provides funding and weapons and refuses to condemn Israel for any of their atrocious actions  whatsoever. 

The us doesn’t make decisions for other countries.   

[JimmySpeaks]

3 hours ago, red viking said:

Not our job to be the policemen of the world, or for our taxpayers to give Israel blank checks. Donate the money yourself if you want to help them. 

Fact of the matter is that you will ALWAYS (as in for eternity) have problems when you hand over land designated to be ruled by a specific ethnoreligious group in a larger area that is dominated by another ethnic group. This problem will never go away unless/until one side is exterminated, unfortunately, so I don't see it as a good idea to be involved with. Plus, it puts our entire country at risk of a nuclear incident, another 9/11, etc. 

The problem gets worse when the Israelis continue to ruthlessly murder children and women. 
 

  For what was done to the Jewish people they absolutely deserved their own Nation where they can live a free life.  Couldn’t care less if you think that’s a problem or not.  Face it. The Arab nations despise them and that the bigger problem that you continually ignore 

[JimmySpeaks]

1 minute ago, red viking said:

It was a knee jerk reaction to the Holocaust. Wouldn't have been nearly as popular at any other time in world history. 

Nothing knee jerk about it.  It was absolutely warranted and justified. 

[JimmySpeaks]

3 minutes ago, red viking said:

The U.S. (at taxpayer expense) provides funding and weapons and refuses to condemn Israel for any of their atrocious actions  whatsoever. 

So you agree. No American has killed anyone over there.   Got it. 

[red viking]

18 minutes ago, JimmySpeaks said:

Nothing knee jerk about it.  It was absolutely warranted and justified. 

Then give them a territory in a UN nation (such as a winger state in U.S.) if UN wants to hand over a "homeland" to them. 

[red viking]

18 minutes ago, JimmySpeaks said:

So you agree. No American has killed anyone over there.   Got it. 

Not sure. Probably not many, at least recently, but we are supporting the genocide so we are part of it. 

[red viking]

22 minutes ago, Caveira said:

The us doesn’t make decisions for other countries.   

Then we should just stay out of the entire middle East. Our involvement does result in us making decision re: to what goes on over there. 

[JimmySpeaks]

2 minutes ago, red viking said:

Not sure. Probably not many, at least recently, but we are supporting the genocide so we are part of it. 

We aren’t supporting anything other than Israel’s right to defend themselves 

[Caveira]

1 minute ago, red viking said:

Then we should just stay out of the entire middle East. Our involvement does result in us making decision re: to what goes on over there. 

I already got ya.  We can only fund stuff you like.  If you don’t like it.  It’s bad.  

[red viking]

1 minute ago, Caveira said:

I already got ya.  We can only fund stuff you like.  If you don’t like it.  It’s bad.  

I actually don't like our involvement in anything in the eastern hemisphere of the world but I'm even more concerned about our support of genocide. 

Edited yesterday at 06:57 PM by red viking

[Caveira]

1 minute ago, red viking said:

I actually don't like our involvement in anything in the eastern hemisphere of the world but I'm even more concerned about our support of genocide. 

But it’s ok to support Hamas genocide.  Still Got ya.  

[red viking]

3 minutes ago, Caveira said:

But it’s ok to support Hamas genocide.  Still Got ya.  

Did you read what I said? I said we should stay out of everything over there entirely. If Israel wants to continue to commit genocide, then so be it, but we shouldn't give them any weapons or money to do it. I'm OK with us providing some humanitarian aid to the civilians over there because the starvation and other suffering over there are a major atrocity but nothing involved in the war effort. itself. 

Edited yesterday at 07:03 PM by red viking

[El Luchador]

4 hours ago, uncle bernard said:

Lol, no. 

Since you guys stumbled upon a new talking point, the Palestinians weren’t willingly governed by the British either. The British conquered it from the Ottomans in WWI. They were also a colonial occupier. The Palestinians also launched a revolt to try to throw the Brits out. 

The reason the arabs declared war was because instead of getting their own sovereignty when the Brits withdrew, the Brits handed the reigns over to a different minority group. 

Your argument is essentially “if a people get conquered by a foreign empire, that means they never have the right to self-governance again.”

Why did the US colonists have the right to independence. They never “owned” America. It belonged to the British.  

Israel has been giving land for peace my whole life. It had never resulted in peace.  Those Muslims would destroy the entire Middle East just to eliminate the Jews.  They don't want peace  that's why there never will be peace. After nearly 100 years the Palestinians haven't evolved one bit. They are simply evil. Every aspect of their existence is immoral and after 10-7 I prefer Israel reclaiming the land Hamas used to wage war from. 

[red viking]

20 minutes ago, El Luchador said:

Israel has been giving land for peace my whole life. It had never resulted in peace.  Those Muslims would destroy the entire Middle East just to eliminate the Jews.  They don't want peace  that's why there never will be peace. After nearly 100 years the Palestinians haven't evolved one bit. They are simply evil. Every aspect of their existence is immoral and after 10-7 I prefer Israel reclaiming the land Hamas used to wage war from. 

That's another lie. They've repeatedly taken more and more land since 1948 and it continues to this day. 

[El Luchador]

1 hour ago, red viking said:

That's another lie. They've repeatedly taken more and more land since 1948 and it continues to this day. 

So who gave up the land for Gaza and the West Bank?

[red viking]

16 hours ago, El Luchador said:

So who gave up the land for Gaza and the West Bank?

Overall, Israeli occupied territory has grown in recent years and also since 1948. They've taken even more land than what was proposed by the UN. Yes, they allowed the Gazans to quasi self-govern but never gave up complete control. 

[uncle bernard]

19 hours ago, Caveira said:

The us doesn’t make decisions for other countries.   

But they can decide to stop selling weapons and aiding the militaries of countries who murder civilians. Same thing goes for the Saudis or the Syrian rebels (who are actually ISIS splinter groups).

And if you think the US doesn't have influence over Israel's actions, you're stupid. If we make them stop, they will stop. For example, Reagan made the Israeli's stop bombing Beirut in the early 80s. Israel is our proxy. They completely rely on us for their existence. Anything they do, they do with our implicit consent, which makes us complicit in this genocide.