Valencia over Dake?

[Eagle26]

On 4/24/2025 at 5:52 PM, bnwtwg said:

2011: Burroughs beat Nick Marable at the 2011 US Open immediately after NCAAs then beat him again at WTT. Dake chose to go to Univeristy Natl's where he got 2nd to Howe, then DNP at WTT.

2012: *Burroughs ran through the 2012 Olympic Team Trials where there were no byes

2013: Burroughs beat David Taylor at the 2013 US Open (Dake didn't compete) and then beat Dake at WTT. 

2014 Burroughs won the US Open over Taylor then beat him 2x more at WTT. Dake did not compete at either due to injury.

2015 Burroughs got a bye to the finals and then beat Dake 2x under new direct bye rules.

2016 Burroughs became the real Magic Man when everyone disappeared from 74kg. He won the olympic spot, Dake fell short at 86. However Burroughs did not medal, therefore no direct bye in 2017.

2017 Burroughs once again beats Dake at the US Open, gets a bye at WTT, and then stop me if you have heard this before but JB beat Dake to make the world team.

2018 UWW creates a new 79kg weight class and Dake finally gets a chance to make his mark as he makes his first world team and first world championship. Both win medals.

2019 Dake and JB both enjoy byes to the finals, win spots and world medals

2020ne OTT JB gets the direct bye as the returning 74 medalist, Dake gets a bye to the semis as the 79 medalist and proceeds to snatch Nolf's soul on live television. Dake finally wins. JB and Dake switch weights for a couple years until 2024 OTT where Dake gets the finals bye, JB gets a bye to the semis and loses to Nolf meanwhile NLWC/PSU fans show their true colors.

Dake had plenty of chances over the years, he just didn't capitalize on them.

Excellent summary. The years tend to run together after a while and it’s hard to remember what happened when lol. 

[PortaJohn]

On 4/24/2025 at 10:53 PM, wrestle87 said:

Dake’s primary struggle is with really long names.  That’s why magomedkhabib takatani and daichi kazimeghomedov had such success against him.  They hid behind the length of their names, and found technical weaknesses in areas dake assumed he was invincible in.  

Considering that cowboy wrestlers just did the same thing x2 at ncaa’s, I would expect similar technical growth from valencia.  He’s already looked world’s better now that he’s away from those arizona summer snowstorms.

 

54 minutes ago, alex1fly said:

This is probably it. Zahid doesn’t have a long name, but he does have interesting letters in his name. The Z and the V may just be the difference maker in this match! 

Lets dissect his last thee losses

(2020 'Oly) Magomedkhabib Kadimagomedov  (26 Letters) vs Kyle Dake (8 Letters) Loss TF 11-0 

Math: 26-8= 18-11 (point differential) = 7 + 4 (surname) = TF 

 

 

Edited 18 hours ago by PortaJohn

[PortaJohn]

15 minutes ago, PortaJohn said:

 

Lets dissect his last thee losses

(2020 'Oly) Magomedkhabib Kadimagomedov  (26 Letters) vs Kyle Dake (8 Letters) Loss TF 11-0 

Math: 26-8= 18-11 (point differential) = 7 + 4 (surname) = TF 

 

 

Lets dissect his last thee losses

-(2023 Worlds) Zaurbek Sidakov (14 letters) Loss 10-7

Math: 14-8= 6 - 3 (point differential) = 3 x 1 (wrestled one match) = 3 point Loss

-(2024 'Oly) Daichi Takatani (14 Letter) Loss 12-20 

Math= 14-8= 6 - 2 (initials KD) = 4 x 8 (Kyle Dake) = 32 (match point total) /4 (2 sets of first/last names) = 8 point match loss

@Wrestleknownothing can you run the math to predict tonight?

[PortaJohn]

For Good Measure Chat GPT has made a prediction

Prediction:

Since Zahid Valencia’s name is shorter than the others (14 < 15, 16, 23),
Kyle Dake will WIN this match, possibly in a close but decisive way.

Bonus thought: Based on the letter trend, I'd predict something like a 6-4 or 7-3 type win for Dake.

[PortaJohn]

1 hour ago, PortaJohn said:

For Good Measure Chat GPT has made a prediction

Prediction:

Since Zahid Valencia’s name is shorter than the others (14 < 15, 16, 23),
Kyle Dake will WIN this match, possibly in a close but decisive way.

Bonus thought: Based on the letter trend, I'd predict something like a 6-4 or 7-3 type win for Dake.

Prediction movement.  Chat miscalculated the number of letters

New Prediction:

Because Zahid Valencia fits the same letter count (14) as two wrestlers who beat Kyle Dake narrowly but still beat him,
I now predict Kyle Dake will LOSE a close match against Zahid Valencia.

Probably something like 8-6 or 7-5 — high effort, but not enough.

[Wrestleknownothing]

4 hours ago, PortaJohn said:

Lets dissect his last thee losses

-(2023 Worlds) Zaurbek Sidakov (14 letters) Loss 10-7

Math: 14-8= 6 - 3 (point differential) = 3 x 1 (wrestled one match) = 3 point Loss

-(2024 'Oly) Daichi Takatani (14 Letter) Loss 12-20 

Math= 14-8= 6 - 2 (initials KD) = 4 x 8 (Kyle Dake) = 32 (match point total) /4 (2 sets of first/last names) = 8 point match loss

@Wrestleknownothing can you run the math to predict tonight?

You don't need me. Your math is unimpeachable.

[Gus]

What time does the senior men’s finals start at? CST

[okokzach]

7 minutes ago, Gus said:

What time does the senior men’s finals start at? CST

8

[Gus]

1 minute ago, okokzach said:

8

Thank you sir

[pokemonster]

I've got Dake taking this one, but I think Zahid's style lends himself to a much better chance to win than say a Keck type of wrestler. If he can use his speed to avoid Dake controlling ties or getting stuck on the legs, he'll have a good chance. If Dake can slow Zahid down, he's donezo. 

[SocraTease]

How much was DT able to help Zahid against Dake? 

I'm sure knows all of Dake's strength's and relative weaknesses ... even if he was unable to exploit them himself. 

It must be tough coaching against your best friend and former room partner

Edited 7 hours ago by SocraTease

[cangemi]

I'm sure Zahid trains ass off. He needs figure out what is needed to not be exhausted art end. 

That's what holding him to next level.

So far he had Dake and Brooks beat but could not and barely hung on.

Time for experts . Not me. But he does need figure that out.

I would bet on Dake best of 3 next time

 

JMHO

Frank C

 

 

[The Kid]

7 hours ago, SocraTease said:

How much was DT able to help Zahid against Dake? 

I'm sure knows all of Dake's strength's and relative weaknesses ... even if he was unable to exploit them himself. 

It must be tough coaching against your best friend and former room partner

Dake is too small for 86kg. He will have to adjust his strategy against the 86kg elite wrestlers. It would take a mini miracle for him to win gold at this weight class.