Survey Claims Half of Leftists Justify Violence Against Trump, Musk, Tesla. Is this true?

[Caveira]

  On 4/9/2025 at 1:08 AM, scourge165 said:

 

Are you completely restarted? I HAVE done that, I did that from the start...why the hell wouldn't I?

No. Because there's...a thing called context.

 

Which ones? Like Cori Bush? How about when I JUST said one of the NEGATIVE side effects of Trump's disastrous trade is that as soon as we started getting people like Bush and Bowman out of office, he'll get them back in as it's going to be a bloodbath in the midterms(it is either way).

 

What more "moves" would you like of me?

 

I said I DIDN'T believe in violence as political recourse and I didn't believe that Republicans actually did as much as some of these polls said they did...and then when called out on it, accused of making up the polls, you then call me a "conspiracy theorist," and you claim that I actually do think all the Republicans are calling for violence.

 

You want stupid compilation videos with 20 times Trump has called for violence including calling for a firing squad for Liz Cheney?

 

 

Screw....the people here are probably right. It probably is too far gone. It was never going to be another Nation that took us down. Empires always crumble from within. 

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Peace out bro.  I’m going to get a burrito.  I’m prolly not restarted but who knows.  

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[jross]

  On 4/8/2025 at 10:34 PM, scourge165 said:

You've given me every answer with this unhinged post.
"Seek answers?" Sure...

The 1st point is particularly stupid. Putting the "most consequential election in US History," as they said the same thing in 2020, but...yeah, you don't have answers. 

Not one legitimate point in there. Counting was paused. Yeah...it was 3AM and they were told they were going home and they'd start the next day...but you had Trump people throwing a tantrum saying "COUNT THE VOTE, COUNT THE VOTE," in one place and "STOP THE VOTE, STOP THE VOTE," where it didn't behoove them. 

People testified and we often got to see it. An old women who forgot she voted claiming someone stole her vote. 

Jesus it's depressing when the more reasonable(of an unreasonable) group are...this delusional. 

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Dismissing oddities skips the critical thinking; more vibes than substance.

[scourge165]

  On 4/9/2025 at 1:36 AM, jross said:

Dismissing oddities skips the critical thinking; more vibes than substance.

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Didn't dismiss anything, just not going back and relitigating nonsense that's already been proven to be nonsense. 

Just setting aside the breadth of people who'd be ALL working against Trump...GOP state houses in Wisconsin, Penn, GA, AZ, NV...it's all stupid. 

And then you heard the people that came forward? I remember the Michigan hearings. The women who testified to...absolutely nothing there.

 

No, being 5+ years out and still believing this nonsense after it's been exhaustively disproven shows a completely lack of critical thinking. And again...you brought up the Spanish Flu and other bizarre irrational arguments. 

 

I gave you too much credit. I thought you were too reasonable than to think Civil War a viable option and to still be in that delusional state of mind. 

[scourge165]

  On 4/9/2025 at 1:10 AM, Caveira said:

Peace out bro.  I’m going to get a burrito.  I’m prolly not restarted but who knows.  

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I'm pretty sure you are.

[jross]

  On 4/8/2025 at 10:44 PM, scourge165 said:

You live in a fantasy where the Civil War plays out in this Country...which only makes the first post in this thread, that much more ironic. 

You think the Military is with you? You think they're going to turn their guns on American Citizens?
And then I always wonder...do you people really think you're the only one with guns?

I suppose if you live in a right wing bubble, you may believe that. 

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The calm, clear-eyed stoics are the blue-collar, rural, veterans, and traditionalists that don’t bother with social media. Fathers with responsibility for others... not children. They’ve seen and lived things. Stoic fathers don’t dream of assassinating leaders... they shoot the calf to end its pain, kill the wolf to guard the flock, hunt the turkey to feed their own. I didn’t call up the military or tally guns; you spun that. And you skipped where I said war’s a mess no one wants. Read harder. ...and the stats show who’s armed.

[jross]

  On 4/8/2025 at 10:47 PM, scourge165 said:

This is amusing. Am I the 10 pound Jack Russel also?

You the big "Mastiff?"

 

I guess it's good I usually have at least my .45 on me then huh. If you're a big scary guy...

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If you want a one-on-one pissing contest, you win.  Congrats.

Overall, the truth is in the numbers and the analogy fits.

[Boring]

  On 4/8/2025 at 10:52 PM, Caveira said:

@scourge165 @red viking @Boring

Y’all fit this video to a T

 

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It's pretty funny that you put Cleese up because he utterly despises Donald Trump and his supporters

[scourge165]

  On 4/9/2025 at 2:44 AM, jross said:

If you want a one-on-one pissing contest, you win.  Congrats.

Overall, the truth is in the numbers and the analogy fits.

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I don't WANT anything violent...but if I had to...to defend myself, my famiyl? Yeah, you're absolutely right I would. 

 

Thinking that analogy fits though...it...lacks critical thinking skills. 

 

  On 4/9/2025 at 2:40 AM, jross said:

Read harder.

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How much harder should I read this? 

The commemnt, "I've seen a lot of "wingers" which is right wingers...about TAKING UP ARMS and GETTING READY FOR CIVIL WAR if Harris wins...

 

You replied;

"It wasn't fully rhetoric."
-You're all about critical thinking. So if it's NOT rhetoric, then what is it?

"The calm, clear eyed stoics would eventually move to violence if there was continuation of progressive culture and policies."

Move to violence? No Civil War isn't rhetoric and they'll be "moved to violence." That's in response to this...vague notion of "progressive culture and policies."

So I guess we throw out the will of the people. 

The right has shown they're certainly not above that. 

 

"It take a lot longer for the silent majority of strength to respond, but it would effective and efficient when moved to act."

 

Now...this ABSOLUTELY in the context of a civil war as you VERY clearly articulated. But you say...you didn't evoke an idyllic vision of a civil war, right?

 

I'd also suggest this doesn't reflect well upon your critical thinking skills. Even as you respond to someone saying they've seen right wing people talk about Civil War, you deny having done so and then go on to articulate how that exact scenario would play out. 

 

I'll also add  this. I have 5 Uncles(both sides) who've been in law enforcement. ~15 people in my extended family who've served. Most live in rural areas...most have a lot of weapons...and I assure you, not a one is going to go out and participate in this..."uprising" you speak of. Even among those who are Trump supporters(which is most of them). They're not taking up arms against fellow Americans as they're AMERICANS...and that's something only animals do. People with mental health issues. 

 

I think anyone even talking about it is unhinged...which is why, as I said, I'll stay in my house...there I'll have a helluva lot more than my .45...and I guess wait out this dream scenario you've conjured up. It seems sick and the most antithetical American behavior one could come up with, but...hey, this is your world. 

 

[jross]

  On 4/9/2025 at 1:43 AM, scourge165 said:

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And again...you brought up the Spanish Flu and other bizarre irrational arguments. 

I gave you too much credit. I thought you were too reasonable than to think Civil War a viable option and to still be in that delusional state of mind. 

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I identified you as just a smart prick.  Turns out you’re all emotion... strawmen, spin, and a knack for inventing my points.  If you don't know why I bring up the election oddities, ask and I'll explain.  Dismissing it as irrational says you’re not that smart... I’d figured you were.

...I never said that a civil war is a viable option.  I spoke as an observer of what an ideology is capable of, not what it desires.  I provided a metaphor for the power disparity that would lead to a decisive win, if it came to it as a last resort. 

[Boring]

  On 4/8/2025 at 10:24 PM, Caveira said:

How many of them were charged with insurrection?

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I have no idea. I know they all got off lightly. 

[jross]

  On 4/9/2025 at 3:29 AM, scourge165 said:

You replied;

"It wasn't fully rhetoric."

Move to violence? 

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Yes that is correct.  Context!

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It’s not about progressives living their views or ruling themselves; it’s when they force those views on the majority, stripping freedom, grabbing resources, and breaking trust. That’s when the patience ends. 

You can replace 'progressive' with most ideologies and cross a line.

The math is not in the progressive's favor is the point being made, in a dogmatic manner of speaking.

 

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[scourge165]

  On 4/9/2025 at 3:35 AM, jross said:

I identified you as just a smart prick.  Turns out you’re all emotion... strawmen, spin, and a knack for inventing my points.  If you don't know why I bring up the election oddities, ask and I'll explain.  Dismissing it as irrational says you’re not that smart... I’d figured you were.

...I never said that a civil war is a viable option.  I spoke as an observer of what an ideology is capable of, not what it desires.  I provided a metaphor for the power disparity that would lead to a decisive win, if it came to it as a last resort. 

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You spoke as an "observer?" 

No...that's...that is a cheap and lazy cop out. When you say 'this is how I see it going' and then try and paint it as some type of poetic gesture...spare me. 

 

And yes, not wanting to discuss that which has already been resolved makes me a...emotional and a strawman.

 

It's kinda akin to arguing about a flat earth. If someone tells me they think the Earth is Flat... I now understand the starting point. It's not worth it. They see a flat field, ergo, the earth is flat. 

Your argument, "real people testified." To what? Nothing. There were plenty of cases heard on the merits and they all lacked substance. 

 

I spent years listening to this nonsense. How Wisconsin had more voters than registered voters...despite being able to register on the day of, so not even being able to know, but it turns out they compared 2018 mid-term registration to 2020 General Election. 

 

You may complain about the source, but I don't care, you can look at the transcripts. She KNEW the big lie was just that.

The Spanish-f'ing flu? Yeah...I can't think of anything that changed in those 100 years.

 

 

https://www.vox.com/2021/3/23/22346333/sidney-powell-dominion-defamation-lawsuit-trump

[scourge165]

  On 4/9/2025 at 3:41 AM, jross said:

Yes that is correct.  Context!

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Yes. The context is YOU talking about the right and this call to action while you clutch your Pearls about Tesla Dealers.

And now, again, this has been where the "so you think it's alright to destroy property" comes from...LOL...no.

I just find it amusing how YOU started this thread hoping to disavow political violence, but glorify Neighbor vs Neighbor in THIS COUNTRY...resorting to violence over political ideology. 

 

You've shown where you stand. You feel violence is justified if they do something you REALLY don't like...and of course the LAWS and the infrastructure this country was built off of doesn't works or I guess is just an inconvenience and you wish to circumvent it. 

 

 

 

End of day- The claim that a Civil War by right wingers was made. Where others said "prove it," as they didn't believe there was that level of zealots on the right, you came back and you painted the picture....and tried to make it look nice and pretty. 

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[Caveira]

  On 4/9/2025 at 3:40 AM, Boring said:

I have no idea. I know they all got off lightly. 

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Zero were charged with insurrection.  Can you have an insurrection without anyone being charged with it?    

[jross]

  On 4/8/2025 at 3:31 PM, jross said:

What is a critical thinkers framework to 2020 election being the most secure ever? Observe oddities, ask questions, seek answers...

Oddities

1. The Spanish flu pandemic saw a decrease in voters.  Yet the covid pandemic saw 23M more votes in 2020 compared to 2016, and more votes than the "most consequential election in U.S. history” 2024 vote.  
2. 19 states had no ID rules.  
3. Ballot harvesting is legal in some states
4. Counting was paused
5. Real people testified to problems that resulted in 60 court cases; mostly tossed on standing rather than merit.  Favorito's Georgia case (145K ballots) still lingers in 2025.
6. The Biden laptop suppression...
7. The "Cabal" steering outcomes... “Hundreds of millions” spent to change rules, influence media, and control info flow.
   1. The published article in the Times about "The Secret History of the Shadow Campaign that saved the 2020 election."

You mentioned Dominion... okay

• The University of Michigan computer science professor J. Alex Halderman hacked the Dominion ImageCast X machine in multiple ways from seconds to minutes in front of government officials.

Now ask questions...

And seek answers...

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Has there ever been a pandemic?  Yes.  Spanish Flu.

What occurred during the Flu pandemic?  Huge decrease in votes.

The Spanish flu pandemic saw a decrease in voters.  Yet the covid pandemic saw 23M more votes in 2020 compared to 2016. (and more votes than the "most consequential election in U.S. history” 2024 vote.)

Historical precedent (Spanish Flu) indicates that illness, fear, and logistical challenges results in less votes.  COVID-19 brought illness, fear, and logistical challenges, yet participation soared beyond any other election both by numbers and percent increase (modern era).

Why the difference from the Spanish Flu precedent?

• Technology?  ...but what about 2012, 2016, and 2024 technology in comparison?
  • social media is only increasing (not the tools)
• Mail in ballots? ...but what about 2024 
  • not a well supported option during the Flu pandemic (reasonable conclusion)
  • doubled from 33M to 65M in 2020 compared to 2016 (strange but understandable)
  • back to 40-50M in 2024 (worth digging into)

Where did mail in ballot participation reduce in 2024?

• Every state (while voting was actually up overall in some states)
• Actually the raw counts and percentages for republicans increased in 2024 as compared to 2020.  It was the democrat and independent mail-in votes that decreased, bringing the total raw counts down.

Why did mail in ballot participation reduce in 2024?

• More people voted in person or not at all.
• Less ballot harvesting??? (no chance to prove)

What are reasons that countries refuse mail in ballots?

• 98% of ballots are cast in Japan as a ritual; a civic badge rather than a chore
• Sweden - mail-in adds complexity without boosting participation (87% vote turnout)
• Compulsory Voting - Belgium
• Fraud (cements that its a major concern)
  • France had a major case of fraud
  • South Korea fears fraud
  • Israel prioritizes security

How can you verify no voter fraud for mail-in ballots?

• You can't. (fact)  This alone undermines "most secure ever."  The secure statement is propaganda!  
  • Secret ballots are detached from your identity.  Some states allow you to verify if a vote was received but not who you voted for.
  • No end to end verification.
  • Detection depends on reaction, not prevention.
  • Logistical scale

Is anyone trying to prove fraud in mail-in ballots?

• Favorito et al. v. Wan et al., the Georgia election lawsuit from 2020 led by Garland Favorito and VoterGA
• Court order to unseal "pristine unfolded" ballots is stalled
• 5 years! of persistence; case initial dismissed for bs reasons... stalled.  Something is off.

Why more votes in 2020 than 2024, in spite of increased voting pool?

• Biden was the best candidate in history?
• Crisis drove a desire for change?
• Biden did such a poor job that it caused voter apathy?
• Tighter mail-in rules, voter ID, etc.

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Does this prove fraud?  No.  It does expose "secure" as unprovable swagger, not fact.

[jross]

  On 4/9/2025 at 3:47 AM, scourge165 said:

I just find it amusing how YOU started this thread hoping to disavow political violence, but glorify Neighbor vs Neighbor in THIS COUNTRY...resorting to violence over political ideology. 

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Get it through your thick skull.  I don't glorify violence or call for a civil war.  I admire stoics, though, and it’s obvious: if push came to shove, if too many lines were crossed, they’d dominate like Sam Sheepdog against Ralph Wolf.  You get it...push someone and they push back.  You are not the type of person to roll over when a line's been crossed.  Hell you stir up fights over thin air.

Supporting assassinations is crazy.  Everyone knows that kind of crazy talk is gonna piss people off. Don’t lose your  because your wild-ass friends can’t come out on top. You can be that badass who’d rather chill than throw punches, but let’s be real; if progressives started a civil war, the outcome’s not changing.

I don't know where the FAFO line is...

• assassinating leaders
• burning rural areas like they burned cities
• jailing people over speech
• confiscating generational land to redistribute it
• ban displays of religion and destroy churches
• going house-to-house to seize firearms
• enforce every business, school, church to meet quotes; 50% to trans, 60% to historically oppressed
• forcing boys into toxic masculinity workshops and gender exploration programs
• rewarding kids for ratting out their parents for praying
• outlaw fossil fuel while rationing electricity

Most would never do radical things like that.  But some would... 55% say killing Trump is justified per the survey.  This is why I say there is a line that could be crossed, that eventually would result in a response.

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[JimmySpeaks]

  On 4/9/2025 at 3:40 AM, Boring said:

I have no idea. I know they all got off lightly. 

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None 

[JimmySpeaks]

Dems:  burn *I poop my pants, don't laugh at me* to the ground, support taking out Trump and Musk, push for people to take over the streets, openly talk about having to fight back and a need for CV, openly divide via race, class and wokeness 

Republicans:  prepared to defend the country if and when needed. 

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[red viking]

  On 4/9/2025 at 2:01 PM, JimmySpeaks said:

Dems:  burn *I poop my pants, don't laugh at me* to the ground, support taking out Trump and Musk, push for people to take over the streets, openly talk about having to fight back and a need for CV, openly divide via race, class and wokeness 

Republicans:  prepared to defend the country if and when needed. 

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I'm ready to defend the Constitution and my freedom too. I won't back down to any winger trying to take my freedom away. 

[JimmySpeaks]

  On 4/9/2025 at 2:24 PM, red viking said:

I'm ready to defend the Constitution and my freedom too. I won't back down to any winger trying to take my freedom away. 

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Sure thing comrade. 

[scourge165]

  On 4/9/2025 at 1:49 PM, jross said:

Supporting assassinations is crazy.

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You mean the thing you didn't think was true? Cool. Isn't that why you made the thread? You were ASKING if that was true?
And what did I say? Did I support any of it?

Now...you on the other hand, in response to the Civil War Rhetoric by these "stoic men," you keep talking about(which is a little weird)...that's crazy.

Supporting trying to send a illegitimate set of electorates is crazy.

Even starting with the election denialism is crazy, Jan6 was propaganda," is crazy," and you couch it all in the "if you don't think like I do about these objectively disproven facts, you're not thinking critically.'

 

What's amusing to me is I think the crazy on the left is crazy...but you're way over there on the right sitting right in your own bag of crazy and...you don't see you're NO DIFFERNT than the people calling for violence, you just romanticize it. 

 

Now...I'm done. I got nothing left here. I don't respect your views and I lost all respect for you or ANY American who is talking about when we'll turn on each other and those big strong men(just like the 200LB Mastiff) will turn...

 

Cool. If you stay alive and the Military doesn't finish you off and I have to actually leave my house for this event that....only the most deluded, sick people even entertain, then I'll see ya. 

 

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Most would never do radical things like that.  But some would... 55% say killing Trump is justified per the survey.  This is why I say there is a line that could be crossed, that eventually would result in a response.

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And what percent of the people with the smooth grey matter believe Trump actually won in 2020? 

 

And AGAIN, just the...intellectual dishonesty, didn't YOU, yourself question the veracity of these results by calling the study dubious because of all the crazy things they've polled that Republicans have said?

 

Now...it's Gospel. Funny how that happens, no?

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[jross]

  On 4/9/2025 at 2:24 PM, red viking said:

I'm ready to defend the Constitution and my freedom too. I won't back down to any winger trying to take my freedom away. 

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As you should. But which constitutionally guaranteed freedoms... speech, religion, assembly, protection from searches, or due process... have Trump, Musk, or Tesla directly violated against you/citizens? Honest question.

[jross]

  On 4/9/2025 at 2:49 PM, scourge165 said:

...lots of words that describe how scourge165 IS THE smartest idiot...

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Would fit right in with the media... inventing headlines 

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[scourge165]

  On 4/9/2025 at 2:52 PM, jross said:

I'm a coward who started a thread saying I didn't believe this poll I'm asking about and need to use ChatGTP to have post.

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OOOOh! Wow!!! Look how clever that is! See...I quoted YOU, but then I changed the words in the quote and now it looks like YOU said that! 

 

Anyway, for the sake of clarity, I'm the..."smartest idiot," because unlike you, I won't justify a civil war and then fantasize about who is gonna win?

Cool. 

[Caveira]

  On 4/9/2025 at 2:49 PM, scourge165 said:

Now...I'm done. I got nothing left here.

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I’ll quote you.   I thought you were done?   And yet.