When our companies have to pay tariffs to sell their goods to other countries isn't that just a form of extortion?

[Paul158]

If we aren't charging reciprocal tariffs to level the playing field aren't their tariffs similar to extortion. Very similar to the Mafia back in the day. You have to pay to play (to do business or else). Canada for example has 250 percent (or more) Tariffs on some of our dairy products. TRQ's (Tariff rate quotas). Dairy farmers along the border were hit really hard in 2017 when Canada slammed the door on them.

Edited Wednesday at 09:51 PM by Paul158
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[mspart]

It will be interesting to see if the tariffs of other countries changes as a result of our tariffs.   It might bring things around to free trade, which would be good.   We have free trade in North America with Canda at a 250% on dairy.   That's what I call free and fair trade policy.

mspart

[scourge165]

13 minutes ago, Paul158 said:

If we aren't charging reciprocal tariffs to level the playing field aren't their tariffs similar to extortion. Very similar to the Mafia back in the day. You have to pay to play (to do business or else). Canada for example has 250 percent (or more) Tariffs on some of our dairy products. TRQ's (Tariff rate quotas). Dairy farmers along the border were hit really hard in 2017 when Canada slammed the door on them.

Yeah...and we don't export enough to even hit those tariffs to Canada. 

What's more, TRUMP was the one who negotiated the last deal with Canada and Mexico and made it illegal to impose new tariffs.

It's Congresses job.

But this is where the lies come in. 'Canada is charging 250% on Dairy products.' Yes...they are. AFTER a certain point which we don't ever reach. 

That would be an argument for TARGETED tariffs though...which is NOT supposed to be in the hands of Congress. 

I just can't Fathom how we could have someone so ignorant of History. 

May 1929-Congress passes Smoot-Hawley
Oct 1929-Market Crashes
April 1930-Market has regained MOST of the losses from the crash due to the belief that Hoover will not sign the tariffs into Law
May-Hoover signs Smoot-Hawley into Law

 

Great Depression Starts

Is Reagan NOT the Republican Poster Boy? Their Hero?

Listen to his take on Tariffs...

 

[scourge165]

2 minutes ago, mspart said:

It will be interesting to see if the tariffs of other countries changes as a result of our tariffs.   It might bring things around to free trade, which would be good.   We have free trade in North America with Canda at a 250% on dairy.   That's what I call free and fair trade policy.

mspart

Again...when you see what seems to be a WILD claim...that we sell Milk to Canada and they put a 270% or a 250% tariff on it...don't you question that? 

The FACT is...that doesn't come into play until we reach a certain quota and THAT was part of Trump's USMCA trade agreement. The trade policy he just talked about being TERRIBLE and blamed on BIDEN!

 

There has not been a tariff imposed on Dairy by Canada. 

Tariffs are not an inherently bad thing by ANY means. Tariffs saved Harley, they saved the Motocyle industry in the United States. But when Reagan put them on, he made it clear, it was up to Harley to make their bikes more competitive...as they'd stopped innovating and that the tariffs would go away. They would start at 45%, then within 5 years go away. 

And yet...these are just more Smoot-Hawley, across the board tariffs. 

This will the most inflationary policy since...well, the two names listed above. 

 

https://www.factcheck.org/2025/04/trumps-misleading-claim-on-canadian-dairy-tariffs/

[mspart]

So what you are saying is it is n't fair that the US charge equal tariffs on other countries that they impose on us.  

That's a tall order to substantiate.

mspart

[scourge165]

21 minutes ago, mspart said:

So what you are saying is it is n't fair that the US charge equal tariffs on other countries that they impose on us.  

That's a tall order to substantiate.

mspart

You still believe there's a 250% tariff on Dairy from Canada, don't you?

You realize these aren't even tariffs. It's what the White House "estimates" based on how they "manipulate their currency." 

 

But fair? I think a LOT of the things the US does are "unfair." I didn't realize we were children who thought 'fair' was a real the measure.

 

What this does...with ZERO doubt and absolutely NO question is hurt the United States Economy while causing it to contract...and there's ample evidence for that. So...yeah, I guess if you're good with the next great depression because you believed not ACTUAL tariff numbers, but made up ones by someone who's NOT bestowed with the power to implement them...then sure, make the "it's not fair" argument.

 

It's just so stupid and reductive and also you'd have to believe Trump's numbers which are just objectively false as he USUALLY lies. 

You'd have to agree to the nonsense that there's actually a 250% tariff on Dairy from Canada. You'd also have to reconcile that it was TRUMP'S agreement that came up with that number...

But I guess when we have another depression that makes the Housing crisis look mile...(assuming he doesn't pull back on those tariffs)...you can say, "but at least the largest economy in the world was FAIR!"

 

Markets down over 1000 points already...and that's before you get the actual reciprocal tariffs. 

[JimmySpeaks]

5 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

You still believe there's a 250% tariff on Dairy from Canada, don't you?

You realize these aren't even tariffs. It's what the White House "estimates" based on how they "manipulate their currency." 

 

But fair? I think a LOT of the things the US does are "unfair." I didn't realize we were children who thought 'fair' was a real the measure.

 

What this does...with ZERO doubt and absolutely NO question is hurt the United States Economy while causing it to contract...and there's ample evidence for that. So...yeah, I guess if you're good with the next great depression because you believed not ACTUAL tariff numbers, but made up ones by someone who's NOT bestowed with the power to implement them...then sure, make the "it's not fair" argument.

 

It's just so stupid and reductive and also you'd have to believe Trump's numbers which are just objectively false as he USUALLY lies. 

You'd have to agree to the nonsense that there's actually a 250% tariff on Dairy from Canada. You'd also have to reconcile that it was TRUMP'S agreement that came up with that number...

But I guess when we have another depression that makes the Housing crisis look mile...(assuming he doesn't pull back on those tariffs)...you can say, "but at least the largest economy in the world was FAIR!"

 

Markets down over 1000 points already...and that's before you get the actual reciprocal tariffs. 

Ok drama queen.   The next Great Depression.  Bahahahahhahahahahahah. What a  

odds of any recession right now are at 35% and that’s based on the tariffs.   

[scourge165]

1 hour ago, Paul158 said:

Dairy farmers along the border were hit really hard in 2017 when Canada slammed the door on them.

I didn't even notice this. Must have been because it was added as an edit.

How do you make this up?

A tariffs that's never enforced and one that was part of TRUMP'S last agreement and you argue how hard "Farmers were hit by it?

 

I don't get when people hear extraordinary claims and people just...don't think to search and good it and see is just MAYBE there's more to the story than the first claim you see. 

[scourge165]

2 minutes ago, JimmySpeaks said:

Ok drama queen.   The next Great Depression.  Bahahahahhahahahahahah. What a  

odds of any recession right now are at 35% and that’s based on the tariffs.   

Argue with Reagan;

(I'd say understand how they arrive at the chances of a recession...which is using hard data, but I'm not sure you're gong to grasp it). 

 

[JimmySpeaks]

7 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

Argue with Reagan;

(I'd say understand how they arrive at the chances of a recession...which is using hard data, but I'm not sure you're gong to grasp it). 

 

Did you forget how during Bidens first 600 days in office he had the worst stock market performance since Jimmy Carter?  This coming off a great performance from Obama and Trump in his first term.  Everyone knows the market has its ebs and flows and it will come back up.  Heck now’s the time to buy. I know I am.   Sorry if that’s over your head 

Edited Wednesday at 11:11 PM by JimmySpeaks

[JimmySpeaks]

Uncertainty is hard data.  Got it. 

[JimmySpeaks]

Does anyone know what the actual tariff is on dairy products we send to Canada is ???  I do.   Just because it’s not 250% doesn’t mean it’s not hurting Americans.  We export 55% more to Canada than we did in 2020 which is a lot.  Not to mention agreements/deals and decisions can and do need to be changed accordingly.  

[mspart]

35 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

I didn't even notice this. Must have been because it was added as an edit.

How do you make this up?

A tariffs that's never enforced and one that was part of TRUMP'S last agreement and you argue how hard "Farmers were hit by it?

 

I don't get when people hear extraordinary claims and people just...don't think to search and good it and see is just MAYBE there's more to the story than the first claim you see. 

You are stuck on Canada and milk.   Every country has tariffs on US goods, yet we mostly don't.   What would be a good strategy to get other countries to reduce or eliminate their tariffs on US goods?   I would like your solution rather than your complaints.

mspart

[Paul158]

37 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

I didn't even notice this. Must have been because it was added as an edit.

How do you make this up?

A tariffs that's never enforced and one that was part of TRUMP'S last agreement and you argue how hard "Farmers were hit by it?

 

I don't get when people hear extraordinary claims and people just...don't think to search and good it and see is just MAYBE there's more to the story than the first claim you see. 

With all due respect it wasn't edited in. You just missed it. It happens.

If you mind wouldn't reading more on this subject. Go to FactCheck.org . Article dated April 28,2017. 

The U.S.-  Canadian Dairy Dispute. If you have time, would you mind reading it and let know what you think. Thanks.

[scourge165]

38 minutes ago, JimmySpeaks said:

Did you forget how during Bidens first 600 days in office he had the worst stock market performance since Jimmy Carter?  This coming off a great performance from Obama and Trump in his first term.  Everyone knows the market has its ebs and flows and it will come back up.  Heck now’s the time to buy. I know I am.   Sorry if that’s over your head 

You have to be a special type of ***I am an idiot and can't use a better adjective***ed to claim that we had a strong economy when Trump left office. 

I mean...REALLY just a massive disconnect from reality. Even if you want to blame Covid and put NO blame on Trump at all, Biden took over a disaster.

You'd also have to have the historical knowledge to understand that much of CARTERS economy came from inflation coming into the early 70s in which Nixon froze prices AND wages(basically passing the buck on the inflation and unemployment). 

 

Also, from the Cato institute...you know, that far left wing think tank(I DO feel the need to point out it is in fact very conservative;

 

Quote

“With today’s announcement, US tariffs will approach levels not seen since the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act of 1930, which incited a global trade war and deepened the Great Depression. Applied at breakneck speed without congressional authorization and employing flimsy and conflicting justifications, these so-called “reciprocal tariffs” don’t mirror foreign trade barriers and ignore those imposed by the United States. For all of President Trump’s talk of a new “golden age,” this huge tax increase will inevitably result in higher prices for American families, lower growth and business investment, and diminished exports and manufacturing output as the country’s factories face retaliation abroad and costlier inputs (roughly half of all imports) at home. The tariffs’ only clear beneficiaries, meanwhile, will be corporate cronies, K Street influence peddlers, and American adversaries who profit from the United States’ tarnished international reputation.

 

[JimmySpeaks]

1 minute ago, scourge165 said:

You have to be a special type of ***I am an idiot and can't use a better adjective***ed to claim that we had a strong economy when Trump left office. 

I mean...REALLY just a massive disconnect from reality. Even if you want to blame Covid and put NO blame on Trump at all, Biden took over a disaster.

You'd also have to have the historical knowledge to understand that much of CARTERS economy came from inflation coming into the early 70s in which Nixon froze prices AND wages(basically passing the buck on the inflation and unemployment). 

 

Also, from the Cato institute...you know, that far left wing think tank(I DO feel the need to point out it is in fact very conservative;

 

   Trump shouldn’t be held accountable for covid any differently than Obama was for bailing out the banks. They did what they had to do.   Biden on the other hand wrote a record amount of executive orders on day one in office. Many against big energy which drove up oil, then gas, then transportation costs on everything.   The rest is well…. History and of course Bidenflation.  And yes you are “special” 

[JimmySpeaks]

1 minute ago, JimmySpeaks said:

7 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

You have to be a special type of ***I am an idiot and can't use a better adjective***ed to claim that we had a strong economy when Trump left office. 

I mean...REALLY just a massive disconnect from reality. Even if you want to blame Covid and put NO blame on Trump at all, Biden took over a disaster.

You'd also have to have the historical knowledge to understand that much of CARTERS economy came from inflation coming into the early 70s in which Nixon froze prices AND wages(basically passing the buck on the inflation and unemployment). 

 

Also, from the Cato institute...you know, that far left wing think tank(I DO feel the need to point out it is in fact very conservative;

 

   Trump shouldn’t be held accountable for covid any differently than Obama was for bailing out the banks. They did what they had to do.   Biden on the other hand wrote a record amount of executive orders on day one in office. Many against big energy which drove up oil, then gas, then transportation costs on everything.   The rest is well…. History and of course Bidenflation.  And yes you are “special” 

Having lived in the 70’s I have a very good historical perspective of waiting in LONG lines with my dad to pay outrageous prices for gas.  MUCH OF IT DUE TO CARTERS POLICIES.  

[JimmySpeaks]

10 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

You have to be a special type of ***I am an idiot and can't use a better adjective***ed to claim that we had a strong economy when Trump left office. 

I mean...REALLY just a massive disconnect from reality. Even if you want to blame Covid and put NO blame on Trump at all, Biden took over a disaster.

You'd also have to have the historical knowledge to understand that much of CARTERS economy came from inflation coming into the early 70s in which Nixon froze prices AND wages(basically passing the buck on the inflation and unemployment). 

 

Also, from the Cato institute...you know, that far left wing think tank(I DO feel the need to point out it is in fact very conservative;

 

 

Half of trumps deficit was Covid. And btw voted for by a bipartisan Congress.  

[scourge165]

3 minutes ago, Paul158 said:

With all due respect it wasn't edited in. You just missed it. It happens.

If you mind wouldn't reading more on this subject. Go to FactCheck.org . Article dated April 28,2017. 

The U.S.-  Canadian Dairy Dispute. If you have time, would you mind reading it and let know what you think. Thanks.

 

Quote

 

 

President Donald Trump correctly noted Friday, as he has before, that Canada has tariffs above 200% on dairy products imported from the US. But Trump again failed to mention a critical fact.

Those high tariffs kick in only after the US has hit a certain Trump-negotiated quantity of tariff-free dairy sales to Canada each year – and as the US dairy industry acknowledges, the US is not hitting its allowed zero-tariff maximum in any category of dairy product.

In many categories, notably including milk, the US is not even at half of the zero-tariff maximum.

“In practice, these tariffs are not actually paid by anyone,” Al Mussell, an expert on Canadian agricultural trade, said in an email Friday.

 

 

Ok..here are my thoughts. 

1-That was NOT about tariffs, that was Canadians charging LESS for their Milk. THAT'S just the free market...which I kinda thought was the whole point of the...well, free markt.

2-Trump wrote his trade deal AFTER that. USMCA came AFTER 2017.

So not a tariff issue, they just sold their milk cheaper.

As you'll find from the above, the US never came CLOSE to paying tariffs for Milk...

 

3-AS I'VE SAID...targeted tariffs, those make sense in SOME situations. That's not at ALL what's going on here. This is just blanket tariffs which lead to trade wars. If someone sells a product cheaper than you're willing to...how is that NOT Capitalism? 

 

Quote

 

The change in price meant that Canadian milk protein would be competitive with the imported U.S. product. “Canada priced at the U.S. price,” Von Massow said. “So Canadian processors said, ‘OK, we’ll buy the Canadian product.’ … All they did was they changed their pricing for one ingredient they get out of milk because they had too much of it and couldn’t sell it.”

That, of course, started affecting U.S. dairy farms. Stephenson describes the pricing change as being low enough that “the U.S. or anybody else couldn’t be competitive trying to send that into Canada.”

The issue garnered news coverage this month when Grassland Dairy Products informed about 75 dairy farmers in Wisconsin that it would no longer buy their milk, effective May 1. Grassland, which bought the milk and then sold the ultrafiltered product to Canadian processors, said the change in pricing in Canada had caused it to lose money.

Grassland’s move left the dairy farmers scrambling to find a new buyer for their milk, reported the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. “These farms can’t just stop milking the cows,” the paper wrote. “It’s three times a day, 365 days a year, regardless if there’s a buyer for what they produce.”

 

 

I'm REALLY trying to understand how this justifies a trade war.

 

And you can say it's "dramatic" to say this could lead to the next great depression...but why? Because that's really bad?

 

Literally NOBODY but Trump thinks this is a good idea. The market will be down over 1000 points tomorrow and that's just the start. Reciprical tariffs start and the GDP contracts...

 

And again, trade with Canada IS SOEMTHING TRUMP NEGOTIATED.

He called it the "Greatest Trade deal maybe ever. Nobody thought we could get a deal this good done."

 

What's changed? Canada has NOT violated any element of the trade agreement TRUMP touted as being the GREATEST ever. 

[JimmySpeaks]

10 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

 

 

Ok..here are my thoughts. 

1-That was NOT about tariffs, that was Canadians charging LESS for their Milk. THAT'S just the free market...which I kinda thought was the whole point of the...well, free markt.

2-Trump wrote his trade deal AFTER that. USMCA came AFTER 2017.

So not a tariff issue, they just sold their milk cheaper.

As you'll find from the above, the US never came CLOSE to paying tariffs for Milk...

 

3-AS I'VE SAID...targeted tariffs, those make sense in SOME situations. That's not at ALL what's going on here. This is just blanket tariffs which lead to trade wars. If someone sells a product cheaper than you're willing to...how is that NOT Capitalism? 

 

 

I'm REALLY trying to understand how this justifies a trade war.

 

Think globalization vs Nationalism 

 

And you can say it's "dramatic" to say this could lead to the next great depression...but why? Because that's really bad?

How much you want to bet that there won’t be a “Great Depression” because of tariffs ?

Literally NOBODY but Trump thinks this is a good idea. The market will be down over 1000 points tomorrow and that's just the start. Reciprical tariffs start and the GDP contracts...

Bull*I poop my pants, don't laugh at me*  I’ve watched/read numerous videos/articles stating that long term this can work  

And again, trade with Canada IS SOEMTHING TRUMP NEGOTIATED.

And again that was 8 years ago  things can, do and need to be updated 

He called it the "Greatest Trade deal maybe ever. Nobody thought we could get a deal this good done."

 

What's changed? Canada has NOT violated any element of the trade agreement TRUMP touted as being the GREATEST ever. 

 

[scourge165]

13 minutes ago, JimmySpeaks said:

19 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

You have to be a special type of ***I am an idiot and can't use a better adjective***ed to claim that we had a strong economy when Trump left office. 

I mean...REALLY just a massive disconnect from reality. Even if you want to blame Covid and put NO blame on Trump at all, Biden took over a disaster.

You'd also have to have the historical knowledge to understand that much of CARTERS economy came from inflation coming into the early 70s in which Nixon froze prices AND wages(basically passing the buck on the inflation and unemployment). 

 

Also, from the Cato institute...you know, that far left wing think tank(I DO feel the need to point out it is in fact very conservative;

 

   Trump shouldn’t be held accountable for covid any differently than Obama was for bailing out the banks. They did what they had to do.   Biden on the other hand wrote a record amount of executive orders on day one in office. Many against big energy which drove up oil, then gas, then transportation costs on everything.   The rest is well…. History and of course Bidenflation.  And yes you are “special” 

No Country Produced MORE Oil in the HISTORY OF THE WORLD than the United States in Biden's first year.

No Country produced more oil in the HISTORY of the world than the United States in Bidens 2nd year in office...

Same with 3rd and same with 4th year.

And you really are a special type of stupid. 

As for Trump not being to blame for Covid, we had 45 infectious disease specialists placed IN WUHAN. We had them all over the world, but we had them in Wuhan. 

Trump recalled ALL of them but one. When asked why? He said 'he didn't know.'

Do you think it would have HELPED stop the spread of Covid to know what we were dealing with?

How about shutting down travel and contract tracing? We did neither.

Trump LIED and said he shut down travel, but 400,000 people traveled to and from China and ONLY shut down applications for NEW travels visas to or from China. 

 

But in terms of Biden causing inflation, it's just moronic. You can say it's NOT on Trump(even though Trump DISBANED the pandemic response team, something that would have had catastrophic effects if done during the ebola outbreak or the SARS outbreak.

 

However, to suggest it was the US not producing enough energy? When the hell was that written?

 

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/19/business/us-production-oil-reserves-crude/index.html

 

If you don't like that source, look up ANY other source. Do you understand at what prices Oil Companies actually WANT to drill?

 

I used to own Ticket Symbol RIG. It has the MOST advanced Deep Sea Drilling rigs in the world. They can drill 55-60K FEET down into the ground. 

Trump came into office. So...OF COURSE that'd be a good stock to buy again, right(I'm really TRYING to dumb this down for you). 

It's trading...last I checked for about 4 dollars a share. It's ATH? ~80 a share. Why? Because when Gas is between 65 and 85 dollars a gallon, NOBODY is going to drill again. 

 

 

So every part of this argument that Biden took over a great economy OR that it was less drilling(objectively false) is...absolute nonsense. We extracted MORE Oil from the Ground under Biden EVERY YEAR than we did ANY YEAR under Trump. 

 

I'm thinking it was more the 6 TRILLION dollars added to the deficit, the economy shutting down and Covid costing it 15 TRILLION dollars, along with MASSIVE supply chain issues.

What's more, to not understand that inflation is a LAGGING indicator is...to not understand basic economics.

 

It's effectively like Blaming Trump the first MONTH for the price of eggs going UP(Despite the obvious outrageous claim that he'd lower it on Day1) because of Bird Flu. 

[scourge165]

22 minutes ago, JimmySpeaks said:

Half of trumps deficit was Covid. And btw voted for by a bipartisan Congress.  

Ok. So lets say THAT is true and then lets say Trump gets NONE of the blame for how Covid was handled.

 

You DO understand that directly leads to INFLATION, right? Your claim was that Biden was handed a great Economy(despite the fact that it was STILL in the midst of Covid and most certainly NOT a strong economy). 

You're...really just making *I poop my pants, don't laugh at me* up. 

[JimmySpeaks]

3 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

No Country Produced MORE Oil in the HISTORY OF THE WORLD than the United States in Biden's first year.

No Country produced more oil in the HISTORY of the world than the United States in Bidens 2nd year in office...

Same with 3rd and same with 4th year.

And you really are a special type of stupid. 

As for Trump not being to blame for Covid, we had 45 infectious disease specialists placed IN WUHAN. We had them all over the world, but we had them in Wuhan. 

Trump recalled ALL of them but one. When asked why? He said 'he didn't know.'

Do you think it would have HELPED stop the spread of Covid to know what we were dealing with?

How about shutting down travel and contract tracing? We did neither.

Trump LIED and said he shut down travel, but 400,000 people traveled to and from China and ONLY shut down applications for NEW travels visas to or from China. 

 

But in terms of Biden causing inflation, it's just moronic. You can say it's NOT on Trump(even though Trump DISBANED the pandemic response team, something that would have had catastrophic effects if done during the ebola outbreak or the SARS outbreak.

 

However, to suggest it was the US not producing enough energy? When the hell was that written?

 

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/19/business/us-production-oil-reserves-crude/index.html

 

If you don't like that source, look up ANY other source. Do you understand at what prices Oil Companies actually WANT to drill?

 

I used to own Ticket Symbol RIG. It has the MOST advanced Deep Sea Drilling rigs in the world. They can drill 55-60K FEET down into the ground. 

Trump came into office. So...OF COURSE that'd be a good stock to buy again, right(I'm really TRYING to dumb this down for you). 

It's trading...last I checked for about 4 dollars a share. It's ATH? ~80 a share. Why? Because when Gas is between 65 and 85 dollars a gallon, NOBODY is going to drill again. 

 

 

So every part of this argument that Biden took over a great economy OR that it was less drilling(objectively false) is...absolute nonsense. We extracted MORE Oil from the Ground under Biden EVERY YEAR than we did ANY YEAR under Trump. 

 

I'm thinking it was more the 6 TRILLION dollars added to the deficit, the economy shutting down and Covid costing it 15 TRILLION dollars, along with MASSIVE supply chain issues.

What's more, to not understand that inflation is a LAGGING indicator is...to not understand basic economics.

 

It's effectively like Blaming Trump the first MONTH for the price of eggs going UP(Despite the obvious outrageous claim that he'd lower it on Day1) because of Bird Flu. 

See our strategic petroleum reserve then get back to me 

[JimmySpeaks]

2 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

Ok. So lets say THAT is true and then lets say Trump gets NONE of the blame for how Covid was handled.

 

You DO understand that directly leads to INFLATION, right? Your claim was that Biden was handed a great Economy(despite the fact that it was STILL in the midst of Covid and most certainly NOT a strong economy). 

You're...really just making *I poop my pants, don't laugh at me* up. 

It is true. Look it up.   That’s what saved the economy.  Look it up.  Congress approved it.  Look it up.  
 

im sorry you can’t handle facts. 

[JimmySpeaks]

4 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

Ok. So lets say THAT is true and then lets say Trump gets NONE of the blame for how Covid was handled.

 

You DO understand that directly leads to INFLATION, right? Your claim was that Biden was handed a great Economy(despite the fact that it was STILL in the midst of Covid and most certainly NOT a strong economy). 

You're...really just making *I poop my pants, don't laugh at me* up. 

I never said trump gets zero blame. You did.  All I said was he should be held to the same standards as Obama was