Iowa hits its 60% transfer starter quota again

[scourge165]

1 hour ago, JimmyCinnabon said:

If Ben Keuter was as good at football as everybody has said he would not have focused on wrestling this past season. 

Why? Why wouldn't he have taken what was likely his last chance to spend a full year focusing on Wrestling?

Everyone is wrong because he Wrestled for a year when Iowa brought back all 4 starters in an antiquated system in which seniority gets starting jobs, OFTEN over less talented players? 

And why would these recruiting services get it wrong? To what end?

https://247sports.com/college/iowa/Article/Iowa-linebacker-commit-Ben-Kueter-ranked-a-four-star-prospect-by-247Sports-190384202/

https://n.rivals.com/news/rivals-rankings-week-which-lb-is-best-fit-for-his-future-team-

 

4 star recruit by Rivals and by 247 and he's playing Football next year. He's long, he's tall, he's athletic and he was a Wrestler. That's  LOT of checks in his column. And now he'll have a full year in the strength and conditioning of the FB program. 

 

But fine, he's not actually that good. He IS however going back to Football next year as this was always a one year thing. He wanted to be an AA. Check. 

[JimmyCinnabon]

11 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

Why? Why wouldn't he have taken what was likely his last chance to spend a full year focusing on Wrestling?

Everyone is wrong because he Wrestled for a year when Iowa brought back all 4 starters in an antiquated system in which seniority gets starting jobs, OFTEN over less talented players? 

And why would these recruiting services get it wrong? To what end?

https://247sports.com/college/iowa/Article/Iowa-linebacker-commit-Ben-Kueter-ranked-a-four-star-prospect-by-247Sports-190384202/

https://n.rivals.com/news/rivals-rankings-week-which-lb-is-best-fit-for-his-future-team-

 

4 star recruit by Rivals and by 247 and he's playing Football next year. He's long, he's tall, he's athletic and he was a Wrestler. That's  LOT of checks in his column. And now he'll have a full year in the strength and conditioning of the FB program. 

 

But fine, he's not actually that good. He IS however going back to Football next year as this was always a one year thing. He wanted to be an AA. Check. 

I say this because if he was as good at football as advertised he would have spent the entirety of the fall with the football team and not with the wrestling team. If he wants to start at LBer for Iowa he needs all of the time with the football team (practice, film room, etc) as he can get. And conversely if he wants to be successful as a wrestler he needs to spend as much time with the wrestling team (practice, nutrition etc) as possible. It's just not possible to do both at that level. 

Maybe he will prove me wrong. I don't have a crystal ball. If he starts for the Iowa Hawkeyes at LBer this season then I will gladly admit I was wrong. However, if he does start for the Hawkeyes at LBer I would not expect him to compete at a high level for the wrestling team. But again, he can prove me wrong. I have nothing against the guy as he seems like a good dude.

[Spencerlee]

16 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

. 

 

But fine, he's not actually that good. He IS however going back to Football next year as this was always a one year thing. He wanted to be an AA. Check. 

You sure about that?

[scourge165]

2 minutes ago, JimmyCinnabon said:

I say this because if he was as good at football as advertised he would have spent the entirety of the fall with the football team and not with the wrestling team. If he wants to start at LBer for Iowa he needs all of the time with the football team (practice, film room, etc) as he can get. And conversely if he wants to be successful as a wrestler he needs to spend as much time with the wrestling team (practice, nutrition etc) as possible. It's just not possible to do both at that level. 

Maybe he will prove me wrong. I don't have a crystal ball. If he starts for the Iowa Hawkeyes at LBer this season then I will gladly admit I was wrong. However, if he does start for the Hawkeyes at LBer I would not expect him to compete at a high level for the wrestling team. But again, he can prove me wrong. I have nothing against the guy as he seems like a good dude.

Ok...but you realize how tenuous this is? 

You're disputing his rankings and every report out of the Iowa Camp because he made the decision to spend one season dedicated fully to Wrestling before going back to Football at 20 years old?

If Rivals has him as a 4Star and top ~140 in the Country and 247 has him in that same area9a bit higher I believe)...you're saying just...just don't believe it because he wrestled? This was likely his last chance...and he was a Freshmen AA.

That's not a bad note to ride off on. EITHER WAY, he's going back to FB next year and I'm not sure what you're really arguing. But if it's he's not actually that good, take it up with all the recruiting sites. 

[scourge165]

4 minutes ago, Spencerlee said:

You sure about that?

https://www.on3.com/college/iowa-hawkeyes/news/iowa-heavyweight-ben-kueter-announces-return-to-football-for-spring/

 

Now...I guess the kid could be a liar. You sure he's not...since the way you asked CLEARLY infers you don't believe he is?

[Spencerlee]

3 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

https://www.on3.com/college/iowa-hawkeyes/news/iowa-heavyweight-ben-kueter-announces-return-to-football-for-spring/

 

Now...I guess the kid could be a liar. You sure he's not...since the way you asked CLEARLY infers you don't believe he is?

You’ve got a lot of catching up to do. Check out Kirks spring presser where he talks about this and ask around.

[WrestlingRash]

8 minutes ago, JimmyCinnabon said:

I say this because if he was as good at football as advertised he would have spent the entirety of the fall with the football team and not with the wrestling team. If he wants to start at LBer for Iowa he needs all of the time with the football team (practice, film room, etc) as he can get. And conversely if he wants to be successful as a wrestler he needs to spend as much time with the wrestling team (practice, nutrition etc) as possible. It's just not possible to do both at that level. 

Maybe he will prove me wrong. I don't have a crystal ball. If he starts for the Iowa Hawkeyes at LBer this season then I will gladly admit I was wrong. However, if he does start for the Hawkeyes at LBer I would not expect him to compete at a high level for the wrestling team. But again, he can prove me wrong. I have nothing against the guy as he seems like a good dude.

some people are just that athletically gifted. 

John Elways: baseball/football

Russell Wilson: baseball/football

Jimmy Graham: football/basketball

Julius Peppers: basketball/football

John Lynch: football/baseball

 

Many such examples. Is Keuter at that level? Football is a game of genetics. Linebacker needs a brain, but not that much of one. Keuter packing on 30 lbs. in his quest for AA should only help him on the gridiron. And, let's be honest, heavy clears out this year. 

[scourge165]

15 minutes ago, Spencerlee said:

You’ve got a lot of catching up to do. Check out Kirks spring presser where he talks about this and ask around.

No

[cl415]

This seems to imply things with Kueter playing Football aren’t settled:

Iowa head coach Kirk Ferentz said earlier this week that Ben Kueter hasn’t yet returned to football, and needs some time off after wrestling season. He noted the HWT class opening up next year, and said doing both sports would be “a real challenge.”

[Spencerlee]

12 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

No

This is how the uninformed stay uninformed.

[JimmyCinnabon]

1 hour ago, scourge165 said:

Ok...but you realize how tenuous this is? 

You're disputing his rankings and every report out of the Iowa Camp because he made the decision to spend one season dedicated fully to Wrestling before going back to Football at 20 years old?

 

Yes.

I guess we will find out how good of a football player he is over the next two years.

Edited Monday at 04:00 PM by JimmyCinnabon

[JimmyCinnabon]

1 hour ago, WrestlingRash said:

some people are just that athletically gifted. 

John Elways: baseball/football

Russell Wilson: baseball/football

Jimmy Graham: football/basketball

Julius Peppers: basketball/football

John Lynch: football/baseball

 

Many such examples. Is Keuter at that level? Football is a game of genetics. Linebacker needs a brain, but not that much of one. Keuter packing on 30 lbs. in his quest for AA should only help him on the gridiron. And, let's be honest, heavy clears out this year. 

We are going to find out whether Ben Kueter is the athlete he has been described as being, that's for sure. 

[JeanGuy]

I have said this in the past but being around a Power 5 Football program for many years I will say that if Ferentz really had plans for Kueter I don't believe they would have let him take a year off. I am not doubting his desire to do both but you really need to be fully dedicated to one or the other to have success.

[scourge165]

8 hours ago, Spencerlee said:

This is how the uninformed stay uninformed.

And how douche bags stay douche bags. 

If you have some great insight or there has been some significant change in the past 6 days since Kueter said he was going back to Football full time, then share that. Don't direct me to a 'presser' by someone I've never heard of.

If you have information...share it. Or don't...because that's always helpful. 

[scourge165]

7 hours ago, JimmyCinnabon said:

Yes.

I guess we will find out how good of a football player he is over the next two years.

It's not even about how good he actually is, it's about the fact that HE said he's going back to Football. What I disagree with was your premise that if he was actually good at Football, he wouldn't have taken a year off to Wrestle. Well, does that logic not follow that if he was that good at Wrestling, he wouldn't sacrifice a big chunk of his Wrestling season to go back to Football?

MOST importantly, you nailed it right here;

9 hours ago, JimmyCinnabon said:

If he wants to start at LBer for Iowa he needs all of the time with the football team (practice, film room, etc) as he can get. And conversely if he wants to be successful as a wrestler he needs to spend as much time with the wrestling team (practice, nutrition etc) as possible. It's just not possible to do both at that level. 

I think it's easier on the Football side to go back to Football after the Wrestling training and have success.

I think it hurts the Wrestling side a WHOLE lot more than the Football side, especially if he's going to be with the FB team for the whole season.

 

7 hours ago, JimmyCinnabon said:

Yes.

I guess we will find out how good of a football player he is over the next two years.

Even if he's not an NFL caliber player...the fact that he's going to be with the team is all that really matters. I haven't seen the kid play other than a few clips(and he sure as hell looks like an NFL type talent with that size, frame and athleticism). But lets say he's not good enough to be drafted. If you start at Iowa, you'll catch on with an NFL team and at least get a shot, but...lets say he's not. It's still time away from Wrestling. 

 

 

[scourge165]

9 hours ago, cl415 said:

This seems to imply things with Kueter playing Football aren’t settled:

Iowa head coach Kirk Ferentz said earlier this week that Ben Kueter hasn’t yet returned to football, and needs some time off after wrestling season. He noted the HWT class opening up next year, and said doing both sports would be “a real challenge.”

Yeah, he JUST said he was coming back.

Spring Practices haven't started. You can't BE back with something that hasn't started yet. 

And of course it's a real challenge. That...is obvious and it all kinda proves my point. The Wrestling side is the one that's going to hurt from this. 

 

7 hours ago, JeanGuy said:

I have said this in the past but being around a Power 5 Football program for many years I will say that if Ferentz really had plans for Kueter I don't believe they would have let him take a year off. I am not doubting his desire to do both but you really need to be fully dedicated to one or the other to have success.

I doubt they're telling one of their top recruits he can't come back and join the team. 

Being able to Wrestle AND play Football was always part of the deal when he went to Iowa. Kerentz already signed off on this. 

You make exceptions for special talents. Keuter is one of the better FB prospects to come out of Iowa in a while. For context, Tristan Wirfs was a 3 star recruit. 

The prospect that Keuter was most closely compared to? Jack Campbell. 

 

So the fact that within a day or so of Keuter saying he's going back to Football, Ferentz saying he hadn't yet rejoined the team within days of the end of the NCAA tournament...I don't think it means anything. What's there to rejoin at this point? Strength and Conditioning? I'm pretty sure Keuter has been doing those...and he's gotta start to bulk up(that would help his Wrestling). 

 

But he goes into the Spring and is the best LBer they have...which is hardly a stretch given who they graduate, you think they're going to say, 'nah, we changed our mind because you Wrestled?' 

[cl415]

1 hour ago, scourge165 said:

Yeah, he JUST said he was coming back.

Spring Practices haven't started. You can't BE back with something that hasn't started yet. 

And of course it's a real challenge. That...is obvious and it all kinda proves my point. The Wrestling side is the one that's going to hurt from this. 

 

I doubt they're telling one of their top recruits he can't come back and join the team. 

Being able to Wrestle AND play Football was always part of the deal when he went to Iowa. Kerentz already signed off on this. 

You make exceptions for special talents. Keuter is one of the better FB prospects to come out of Iowa in a while. For context, Tristan Wirfs was a 3 star recruit. 

The prospect that Keuter was most closely compared to? Jack Campbell. 

 

So the fact that within a day or so of Keuter saying he's going back to Football, Ferentz saying he hadn't yet rejoined the team within days of the end of the NCAA tournament...I don't think it means anything. What's there to rejoin at this point? Strength and Conditioning? I'm pretty sure Keuter has been doing those...and he's gotta start to bulk up(that would help his Wrestling). 

 

But he goes into the Spring and is the best LBer they have...which is hardly a stretch given who they graduate, you think they're going to say, 'nah, we changed our mind because you Wrestled?' 

You obviously feel very strongly about this. I have no doubt he will give it a go this spring but I think Ferentz is leaving the door open to the fact that it might change after spring practice depending on circumstances. I would imagine that means it could change for wrestling too.

[scourge165]

4 minutes ago, cl415 said:

You obviously feel very strongly about this. I have no doubt he will give it a go this spring but I think Ferentz is leaving the door open to the fact that it might change after spring practice depending on circumstances. I would imagine that means it could change for wrestling too.

Eh, I just think it's simpler than it's being made out to be(and if there is some "presser" then link it or tell me what it says or...don't say anything). 

But again, Keuter, great FB recruit...at a school where good LBs generally make it to the NFL. 

He said he's coming back. 

Ferentz was asked probably in response a day or two fafter Keuter said that and he said he's not back yet. That doesn't change the statement that he's COMING back. But he simply added the weight class opens up.

I never said he wouldn't Wrestle, only that it'll be more difficult AND that he's at the point that if he has a big year on the FB field, he'll be in mock drafts. 

 

But if there's something I'm missing, I wish someone would tell me what was in the "Presser." It feels like people really WANT Keuter on the Wrestling team...and I'm not saying he won't be on it, I'm saying...if he's playing Football, he's going to be missing a lot of the year. 

[cl415]

1 hour ago, scourge165 said:

Eh, I just think it's simpler than it's being made out to be(and if there is some "presser" then link it or tell me what it says or...don't say anything). 

But again, Keuter, great FB recruit...at a school where good LBs generally make it to the NFL. 

He said he's coming back. 

Ferentz was asked probably in response a day or two fafter Keuter said that and he said he's not back yet. That doesn't change the statement that he's COMING back. But he simply added the weight class opens up.

I never said he wouldn't Wrestle, only that it'll be more difficult AND that he's at the point that if he has a big year on the FB field, he'll be in mock drafts. 

 

But if there's something I'm missing, I wish someone would tell me what was in the "Presser." It feels like people really WANT Keuter on the Wrestling team...and I'm not saying he won't be on it, I'm saying...if he's playing Football, he's going to be missing a lot of the year. 

I don’t have a dog in the fight, but my theory on it is if Kueter was going to be legitimately challenging for a spot this year he wouldn’t have taken last year off completely. Football rules the roost even at Iowa.

It’s all just speculation at this point but if he isn’t on the two deep at the end of spring ball my guess is he’s done with football. If he is starting and goes into the season as a starter then vice versa. If he is in the hunt but not starting maybe he stays doing both. 

It feels like the next few months will be the determining factor so we’ll see soon enough. 

[JimmyCinnabon]

12 hours ago, scourge165 said:

It's not even about how good he actually is, it's about the fact that HE said he's going back to Football. What I disagree with was your premise that if he was actually good at Football, he wouldn't have taken a year off to Wrestle. Well, does that logic not follow that if he was that good at Wrestling, he wouldn't sacrifice a big chunk of his Wrestling season to go back to Football?

MOST importantly, you nailed it right here;

I think it's easier on the Football side to go back to Football after the Wrestling training and have success.

I think it hurts the Wrestling side a WHOLE lot more than the Football side, especially if he's going to be with the FB team for the whole season.

 

Even if he's not an NFL caliber player...the fact that he's going to be with the team is all that really matters. I haven't seen the kid play other than a few clips(and he sure as hell looks like an NFL type talent with that size, frame and athleticism). But lets say he's not good enough to be drafted. If you start at Iowa, you'll catch on with an NFL team and at least get a shot, but...lets say he's not. It's still time away from Wrestling. 

 

 

Those are all fair points. 

[scourge165]

7 hours ago, cl415 said:

I don’t have a dog in the fight, but my theory on it is if Kueter was going to be legitimately challenging for a spot this year he wouldn’t have taken last year off completely. Football rules the roost even at Iowa.

It’s all just speculation at this point but if he isn’t on the two deep at the end of spring ball my guess is he’s done with football. If he is starting and goes into the season as a starter then vice versa. If he is in the hunt but not starting maybe he stays doing both. 

It feels like the next few months will be the determining factor so we’ll see soon enough. 

I'm sure they'll make him earn the job, but I'd be surprised if he wasn't on the two deep. Iowa gets very few recruits of his caliber and he was the #1 in his class, but...they have had a couple other good LB recruits come in...and I suppose it's possible he was a bit over-hyped because of his track and Wrestling background...I guess we'll have to see. 

 

[lisa morales]

Keuter is too slow to be a D1 linebacker.

[WrestlingRash]

9 hours ago, lisa morales said:

Keuter is too slow to be a D1 linebacker.

I will let the coaches know. Thanks for sharing. Such wisdom. 

[lisa morales]

They knew day 1.  

[Spencerlee]

My educated guess is he’s going to go through spring ball with the football team as a DE, then they will release a “2 deeps”. He’s not going to be on it because there are guys who have not stopped playing, and we’re likely just as good as him to begin with. He’s going to get an offer from the wrestling boosters to give up football and he’s likely going to take it. Meaning he’ll have plenty of time to get in wrestling shape. 
 

This could all change if he’s on the two deeps, but I can’t see it.