Trump at NCAA’s

[Bigbrog]

2 minutes ago, red viking said:

Incredibly racist, to assume that every minority kid is poor. 

Ummm...you are the first one who said it...

[JimmySpeaks]

4 minutes ago, red viking said:

Incredibly racist, to assume that every minority kid is poor. 

Privileged doesn’t mean poor soooooooooo.  

[JimmySpeaks]

The trump vibe makes champions. There’s proof. 

[Tripnsweep]

1 hour ago, JimmySpeaks said:

I’m still trying to figure out how there’s so many privileged minority kids winning college wrestling nattys

I lost 2 of my kids prior to my last season to other schools that recruited them, which is against the rules. One of them was an All American the next season. The school I was at was 90% minority. My school wouldn't give me the resources needed to make the team better, and I lost those two. I'm not unhappy with them because they went where they needed to. But it sucks that you have talented wrestlers leave because of things beyond your control. And it wasn't even anything that was out of line I asked for and got denied. The school wouldn't pay an extra stipend for an assistant coach because they didn't think it was necessary. I had to be our own travel agent and instead of just submitting a transportation request, I had to actually fill out the administrative paperwork, get it signed, and return it to the district office. I don't know if they just didn't like wrestling or something, but I know basketball never had the same problems. 

[JimmySpeaks]

6 minutes ago, Tripnsweep said:

I lost 2 of my kids prior to my last season to other schools that recruited them, which is against the rules. One of them was an All American the next season. The school I was at was 90% minority. My school wouldn't give me the resources needed to make the team better, and I lost those two. I'm not unhappy with them because they went where they needed to. But it sucks that you have talented wrestlers leave because of things beyond your control. And it wasn't even anything that was out of line I asked for and got denied. The school wouldn't pay an extra stipend for an assistant coach because they didn't think it was necessary. I had to be our own travel agent and instead of just submitting a transportation request, I had to actually fill out the administrative paperwork, get it signed, and return it to the district office. I don't know if they just didn't like wrestling or something, but I know basketball never had the same problems. 

And this has what to do with the price of bananas in Japan? 

[wrestlingguy]

12 minutes ago, Tripnsweep said:

I lost 2 of my kids prior to my last season to other schools that recruited them, which is against the rules. One of them was an All American the next season. The school I was at was 90% minority. My school wouldn't give me the resources needed to make the team better, and I lost those two. I'm not unhappy with them because they went where they needed to. But it sucks that you have talented wrestlers leave because of things beyond your control. And it wasn't even anything that was out of line I asked for and got denied. The school wouldn't pay an extra stipend for an assistant coach because they didn't think it was necessary. I had to be our own travel agent and instead of just submitting a transportation request, I had to actually fill out the administrative paperwork, get it signed, and return it to the district office. I don't know if they just didn't like wrestling or something, but I know basketball never had the same problems. 

I know it takes a ton of work. My high school has a very rich wrestling history and even when I was there back in the early 2000s we couldn't get kids to go out for wrestling because they didn't want to put in the work. The coaches would walk from class to class trying to get more kids out. They are slowly getting kids back out but there used to be a sense of pride being on the wrestling team. 

[Scouts Honor]

41 minutes ago, red viking said:

Incredibly racist, to assume that every minority kid is poor. 

thats what you have done in every post so far 

[red viking]

37 minutes ago, wrestlingguy said:

I know it takes a ton of work. My high school has a very rich wrestling history and even when I was there back in the early 2000s we couldn't get kids to go out for wrestling because they didn't want to put in the work. The coaches would walk from class to class trying to get more kids out. They are slowly getting kids back out but there used to be a sense of pride being on the wrestling team. 

Wrestling  has become a sport of the haves and have nots, just like most other sports. It's not as extreme as sports like hockey but that doesn't mean there are huge advantages for privileged kids.  It used to be that you could be a successful wrestler just starting out on the high school  team as a freshman. Extremely hard to do now since the rich kids are now practicing at the academies year round starting in elementary school and also travelling to tournaments around the country. 

That's very discouraging to the kid starting out in 9th grade, or maybe even earlier. They get absolutely destroyed by these kids that have no other worries in life so they can just train wrestling year-round with elite coaches. 

 

Edited Tuesday at 02:43 PM by red viking

[red viking]

59 minutes ago, JimmySpeaks said:

Privileged doesn’t mean poor soooooooooo.  

Huge overlap. Yes, some poor kids get opportunities but not nearly as many. 

[JimmySpeaks]

2 minutes ago, red viking said:

Huge overlap. Yes, some poor kids get opportunities but not nearly as many. 

Because they choose to 

[red viking]

6 minutes ago, JimmySpeaks said:

Because they choose to 

Huh? So the opportunities for wrestling greatness are available to any kid that "chooses" it? Anything close to the same opportunities to the children of wealthy people? Seriously? You that out of touch with reality? 

If you really think that, please explain how a kid growing up in the inner city and attending  a public school that probably doesn't even have a wrestling program or barely has one and he has to work nights and weekends to scrape by and can't attend one of these elite rich kid academies has anything close to an equal opportunity. 

[Bigbrog]

51 minutes ago, red viking said:

Huh? So the opportunities for wrestling greatness are available to any kid that "chooses" it? Anything close to the same opportunities to the children of wealthy people? Seriously? You that out of touch with reality? 

If you really think that, please explain how a kid growing up in the inner city and attending  a public school that probably doesn't even have a wrestling program or barely has one and he has to work nights and weekends to scrape by and can't attend one of these elite rich kid academies has anything close to an equal opportunity. 

So what is your point?  What are people supposed to do, not be wealthy?  Not send their kids, who have to want to attend the academies and put in the hard work, to said academies because another kid can't afford it.  You know what, I was one of the poor kids trying to do everything in their power to be good at wrestling...find rides to tournaments, figure out ways to pay for the tournaments, work odd jobs, wrestle and workout on my own, beg other people's dads to coach me, sneak into the school to use the wrestling mats, etc.   That is what people mean by "chooses". 

Not everyone is in the same situation financially...that is the way it is...reasons for it are numerous with personal choices being one of the main reasons...but you can't fault a kid who happens to be in a good situation financially and takes advantage of the opportunities afforded to them and puts in the hard work to become an elite wrestler.  

[red viking]

40 minutes ago, Bigbrog said:

So what is your point?  What are people supposed to do, not be wealthy?  Not send their kids, who have to want to attend the academies and put in the hard work, to said academies because another kid can't afford it.  You know what, I was one of the poor kids trying to do everything in their power to be good at wrestling...find rides to tournaments, figure out ways to pay for the tournaments, work odd jobs, wrestle and workout on my own, beg other people's dads to coach me, sneak into the school to use the wrestling mats, etc.   That is what people mean by "chooses". 

Not everyone is in the same situation financially...that is the way it is...reasons for it are numerous with personal choices being one of the main reasons...but you can't fault a kid who happens to be in a good situation financially and takes advantage of the opportunities afforded to them and puts in the hard work to become an elite wrestler.  

The whole reason this came up is to explain why a lot of elite wrestlers (not sure about the percentage though; probably not as high as the wingers think) lean Republican. They tend to come from wealthier families and are privileged. 

The Republicans are the party of the elite and privileged people that are out of touch with the real world. 

 

[wrestlingguy]

8 minutes ago, red viking said:

The Republicans are the party of the elite and privileged people that are out of touch with the real world. 

 

The overwhelming majority of Hollywood are Democrats. Are they not privileged and elite?

I associate Republicans with blue collar values. 

[Bigbrog]

13 minutes ago, red viking said:

The whole reason this came up is to explain why a lot of elite wrestlers (not sure about the percentage though; probably not as high as the wingers think) lean Republican. They tend to come from wealthier families and are privileged. 

The Republicans are the party of the elite and privileged people that are out of touch with the real world. 

 

Elite wrestlers come from wealthier families and are privileged??  They are not elite because they worked harder and put in the effort needed to be elite??  And all of this means they are R's??  What the?!

And how did the R's get to be the party of the elite and privileged?  Not to mention I thought they were the redneck dumb dumbs from out in the backwoods?? 

So hard keep track of all the labels and groups you like to put people in because of some ideology.

[red viking]

2 minutes ago, Bigbrog said:

Elite wrestlers come from wealthier families and are privileged??  They are not elite because they worked harder and put in the effort needed to be elite??  And all of this means they are R's??  What the?!

And how did the R's get to be the party of the elite and privileged?  Not to mention I thought they were the redneck dumb dumbs from out in the backwoods?? 

So hard keep track of all the labels and groups you like to put people in because of some ideology.

Of  course it's never one factor. The elite wrestlers ALWAYS worked hard but are also typically privileged. Plenty of talented poor kids that are also willing to work hard but never became NCAA champs because they weren't given the opportunity. That's just reality. Welcome to the real world. 

Yah; there are a few rednecks in the backwoods that are dumb. SOME of them are poor (and some Democrats are stinking rich) but, on average, the wingers are the party of the elite. 

[Tripnsweep]

I know of a local guy, made a fortune through some less than ethical means, and became a far to the right Republican who actually changed his name legally so it would sound more like a campaign slogan. He had never played sports, but man did he love to act tough and like a big shot because his son wrestled. I don't typically root against kids, but it was satisfying to see his reaction when his kid got upset in the first round at state, after he'd spent all year bragging to anyone who'd listen about how much money he spent and all the things he bought for his kid to win a state championship. He was an election denier before it was cool, after he got trounced in a primary, and I wanted to say he should sue for a rematch. 

[Caveira]

1 minute ago, Tripnsweep said:

 

I know of a local guy

 

One time.   At band camp. 

[1032004]

6 hours ago, JimmySpeaks said:

I’m still trying to figure out how there’s so many privileged minority kids winning college wrestling nattys while supporting Trump.  It’s gotta be the vibe 

I think RV is being a little extreme but he’s not really wrong:

1) Like most sports these days, “privilege” helps a lot in wrestling, by providing access to better coaches, partners, and competition.  Obviously the guys still need to work hard and have some talent to succeed at the higher levels, but they have a leg up on guys that don’t have access to those things.  

2.  It is a lot easier for a poor kid to play football or basketball at the park than to find somewhere to wrestle without hurting yourself.   And let’s be honest, the best athletes (regardless of privilege) will generally play basketball, football or baseball because that’s where the most money is.  On that note, I do believe it’s true that talented but poor basketball players will often get outside financial support to join club teams etc in the hopes of getting a % down the road as an agent or something.

3.  I wouldn’t say “the Republican Party is the party of privilege” or whatever, but specific to high school sports, “privilege” is generally found in the suburbs, which do generally lean R.

4.  Note that up until this point I have not  mentioned race, but since you did, well for one, how are we defining “so many” here?    The only ones I’ve seen from the last 2 years are Starocci, Steveson and Arujau, but I could have missed some.   Probably worth noting that I’m pretty sure all three of them have one parent that is not a minority, no clue if that parent influenced their political leaning (particularly as Trump’s support among minorities did grow in 2024), but it’s possible. 

Edited Tuesday at 06:28 PM by 1032004

[red viking]

13 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

I think RV is being a little extreme but he’s not really wrong:

1) Like most sports these days, “privilege” helps a lot in wrestling, by providing access to better coaches, partners, and competition.  Obviously the guys still need to work hard and have some talent to succeed at the higher levels, but they have a leg up on guys that don’t have access to those things.  

2.  It is a lot easier for a poor kid to play football or basketball at the park than to find somewhere to wrestle without hurting yourself.   And let’s be honest, the best athletes (regardless of privilege) will generally play basketball, football or baseball because that’s where the most money is.  On that note, I do believe it’s true that talented but poor basketball players will often get outside financial support to join club teams etc in the hopes of getting a % down the road as an agent or something.

3.  I wouldn’t say “the Republican Party is the party of privilege” or whatever, but specific to high school sports, “privilege” is generally found in the suburbs, which do generally lean R.

4.  Note that up until this point I have not  mentioned race, but since you did, well for one, how are we defining “so many” here?    The only ones I’ve seen from the last 2 years are Starocci, Steveson and Arujau, but I could have missed some.   Probably worth noting that I’m pretty sure all three of them have one parent that is not a minority, no clue if that parent influenced their political leaning (particularly as Trump’s support among minorities did grow in 2024), but it’s possible. 

Well said. I have no issues with anything you wrote here. 

[JimmySpeaks]

2 hours ago, red viking said:

The whole reason this came up is to explain why a lot of elite wrestlers (not sure about the percentage though; probably not as high as the wingers think) lean Republican. They tend to come from wealthier families and are privileged. 

The Republicans are the party of the elite and privileged people that are out of touch with the real world. 

 

This is an utter lie.  Dems are the party of the elite and Republican are now the working class party. 

[JimmySpeaks]

29 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

I think RV is being a little extreme but he’s not really wrong:

1) Like most sports these days, “privilege” helps a lot in wrestling, by providing access to better coaches, partners, and competition.  Obviously the guys still need to work hard and have some talent to succeed at the higher levels, but they have a leg up on guys that don’t have access to those things.  

2.  It is a lot easier for a poor kid to play football or basketball at the park than to find somewhere to wrestle without hurting yourself.   And let’s be honest, the best athletes (regardless of privilege) will generally play basketball, football or baseball because that’s where the most money is.  On that note, I do believe it’s true that talented but poor basketball players will often get outside financial support to join club teams etc in the hopes of getting a % down the road as an agent or something.

3.  I wouldn’t say “the Republican Party is the party of privilege” or whatever, but specific to high school sports, “privilege” is generally found in the suburbs, which do generally lean R.

4.  Note that up until this point I have not  mentioned race, but since you did, well for one, how are we defining “so many” here?    The only ones I’ve seen from the last 2 years are Starocci, Steveson and Arujau, but I could have missed some.   Probably worth noting that I’m pretty sure all three of them have one parent that is not a minority, no clue if that parent influenced their political leaning (particularly as Trump’s support among minorities did grow in 2024), but it’s possible. 

Since when do suburbs lean republican?  This year?  They lean blue and have for awhile now.  Rural America is red and a lot of wrestlers come from rural America.   Most of the farmers I know aren’t privileged nor are the people in the small towns.  

[JimmySpeaks]

38 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

I think RV is being a little extreme but he’s not really wrong:

1) Like most sports these days, “privilege” helps a lot in wrestling, by providing access to better coaches, partners, and competition.  Obviously the guys still need to work hard and have some talent to succeed at the higher levels, but they have a leg up on guys that don’t have access to those things.  

2.  It is a lot easier for a poor kid to play football or basketball at the park than to find somewhere to wrestle without hurting yourself.   And let’s be honest, the best athletes (regardless of privilege) will generally play basketball, football or baseball because that’s where the most money is.  On that note, I do believe it’s true that talented but poor basketball players will often get outside financial support to join club teams etc in the hopes of getting a % down the road as an agent or something.

3.  I wouldn’t say “the Republican Party is the party of privilege” or whatever, but specific to high school sports, “privilege” is generally found in the suburbs, which do generally lean R.

4.  Note that up until this point I have not  mentioned race, but since you did, well for one, how are we defining “so many” here?    The only ones I’ve seen from the last 2 years are Starocci, Steveson and Arujau, but I could have missed some.   Probably worth noting that I’m pretty sure all three of them have one parent that is not a minority, no clue if that parent influenced their political leaning (particularly as Trump’s support among minorities did grow in 2024), but it’s possible. 

 

[red viking]

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/04/09/partisanship-by-family-income-home-ownership-union-membership-and-veteran-status/

Data proving that the Republicans are the party of the rich

Edited Tuesday at 07:09 PM by red viking

[JimmySpeaks]

56 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

4.  Note that up until this point I have not  mentioned race, but since you did, well for one, how are we defining “so many” here?    The only ones I’ve seen from the last 2 years are Starocci, Steveson and Arujau, but I could have missed some.   Probably worth noting that I’m pretty sure all three of them have one parent that is not a minority, no clue if that parent influenced their political leaning (particularly as Trump’s support among minorities did grow in 2024), but it’s possible. 

2025 - 4

2024 - 6

2023 - 3

2022 - 4

2021 -  5 

 

minority national champs by year