Two Refs

[KennyEBHS]

I want the NCAA to adopt the UWW method where there is a ref and a mat manager. Makes more sense than the second ref in the NCAAs just wandering around getting in the way.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

3 minutes ago, KennyEBHS said:

I want the NCAA to adopt the UWW method where there is a ref and a mat manager. Makes more sense than the second ref in the NCAAs just wandering around getting in the way.

a) How does an assistant ref get in the way?  I don't recall ever seeing this happen.

b) Doesn't UWW have THREE officials?

[ionel]

5 minutes ago, KennyEBHS said:

I want the NCAA to adopt the UWW method where there is a ref and a mat manager. Makes more sense than the second ref in the NCAAs just wandering around getting in the way.

Does the mat manager clean the mat between weights? 

[KennyEBHS]

22 minutes ago, ionel said:

Does the mat manager clean the mat between weights? 

C'mon, man. I'm serious. The system is much better. Both must agree.

[Jason Bryant]

Referees now also have two-way headsets to help them communicate on the mat without yelling across the action. Second referee (in those situations) are more involved and relevant than ever.

[152lbs]

Do they have an impact on deciding score?

[wrestle87]

No…this is dumb.  

The amount of looking around and “guys…right did we…oh no? Ok nono that’s cool, I forgot these guys didn’t pay us” that happens in international wrestling is disgusting.  It is the lifeblood of corruption in the sport.  If it were one ref, easy fix, “that dude took a bag, kick him out.”  But with three, they can just spiderman each other and nobody every finds anything out.

In folkstyle, the second ref is a luxury afforded to big matched and big conferences.  The second dude actively gives his opinion when solicited, but it’s one person’s job to make a decision and own it.  The system works.  I saw the head ref ask the second guy’s opinion probably 5 times this weekend alone.

It’s collaborative but not a committee.  Sports, especially wrestling, don’t need more committees.  Committees ruin freestyle and greco, and effectively killed greco as a consumable product.

Go sit in on a seeding meeting and ask coaches what they think of committees.  

Rules with fixed criteria enforced rigorously by one person are much better.

Edited yesterday at 06:25 AM by wrestle87