With all of this talk about to gap from 197-285

[scourge165]

23 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

The fact that Bastida has now on multiple occasions been used as an example for someone doing “worse” at 285, IMO is proof that it’s far more common to do better.

I’m not sure how “injured” he really was at the end of this season btw…

Well....if you're going to use  Lance Runyon as an example, Bastida, an AA his first year as a starter at '97...seems like a viable answer(along with Laird...the first example I used). 

I'm also not sure how hurt he was. I know he was taking a medical, so...maybe that was just to let the big boys at HWT clear out? I couldn't really speak to that as I don't actually know about the extent of his injury. 

Lucas Cochran is used as an example of a guy moving up and beating Slavikouski regularly though. The same guy who beat Bastida. So again, it seems fair.

 

He should have a better chance this year with so many big HWTs moving on...we'll see if he can improve upon his 5th place finish 5 years ago now. 

[scourge165]

9 minutes ago, Eagle26 said:

I don’t think college wrestling really needs a weight class between 297 and 285. It will definitely just make the upper weights even weaker. If they do want to add a weight, that’s not necessarily a bad thing though. They just need to disperse it better among the lighter guys then. The weight before hwt should be no more than 210 IMO. Maybe something like this?
 

126

133

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154

162

170

180

192

207

300

We should probably see what they do with the international weights(if anything). There were plenty of people in favor of moving 57KG to 59KG or 60KG as 125 for an adult Male is...pretty small. 

 

[1032004]

1 hour ago, scourge165 said:

Well....if you're going to use  Lance Runyon as an example, Bastida, an AA his first year as a starter at '97...seems like a viable answer(along with Laird...the first example I used). 

I'm also not sure how hurt he was. I know he was taking a medical, so...maybe that was just to let the big boys at HWT clear out? I couldn't really speak to that as I don't actually know about the extent of his injury. 

Lucas Cochran is used as an example of a guy moving up and beating Slavikouski regularly though. The same guy who beat Bastida. So again, it seems fair.

 

He should have a better chance this year with so many big HWTs moving on...we'll see if he can improve upon his 5th place finish 5 years ago now. 

Laird is an OK example, but he did get R12 in his last tournament at heavyweight, so not exactly a huge jump.  And the year he got 6th the highest seed he beat was 12 and at the tournament he did not beat anyone that AA’d

Edited April 18 by 1032004

[WrestlingRash]

125 should not be an NCAA weight class. Nobody cares about these tiny little guys. Wrestling is the only combat sport in all of the world where people pretend to care about tiny little guys. The show is anything 174 and up. I am on board with cutting 125 and 133. 

[Boring]

On 4/18/2025 at 10:33 AM, Eagle26 said:

I don’t think college wrestling really needs a weight class between 297 and 285. It will definitely just make the upper weights even weaker. If they do want to add a weight, that’s not necessarily a bad thing though. They just need to disperse it better among the lighter guys then. The weight before hwt should be no more than 210 IMO. Maybe something like this?
 

126

133

140

147

154

162

170

180

192

207

300

My understanding is the 220 pound weight class in HS is pathetically weak. There just aren't that many HS boys in that weight range and the competition is pretty damned weak. Plus 220 makes HWT weaker as well. College wrestling definitely doesn't need a 220 pound class. 

[MPhillips]

Just now, Boring said:

College wrestling definitely doesn't need a 220 pound class. 

A guy that vacays in OK isn't really sound of mind...

[Boring]

On 4/16/2025 at 4:30 PM, wrestlingfan22 said:

Wrestling will always be a sport with more lightweights than heavyweights. If you weigh under 165 as an 18+ year old, wrestling is one of the only sports you can realistically compete in at a D1 level; anyone who weighs more than that has way more options and therefore is more likely to end up playing another sport. Also, people tend to be similar in size and stature to their parents, and lots of wrestling parents/former wrestlers are short, so their kids can only get so heavy based on frame restrictions. 

I tell people all the time that wrestling is a sport for little guys. Realistically 174 pounds is pretty small for a normal adult male, no offense meant to little guys. 184 and 197 are just normal adult weights for a guy 5'10-6' tall. So the vast majority of weights are smaller than the average guy on the street. The "average" American male is 5'9" and 199 pounds. 

[Boring]

Just now, MPhillips said:

A guy that vacays in OK isn't really sound of mind...

I can't argue against that statement. 

[WrestlingRash]

19 minutes ago, Boring said:

I tell people all the time that wrestling is a sport for little guys. Realistically 174 pounds is pretty small for a normal adult male, no offense meant to little guys. 184 and 197 are just normal adult weights for a guy 5'10-6' tall. So the vast majority of weights are smaller than the average guy on the street. The "average" American male is 5'9" and 199 pounds. 

125 is far too small for a weight class at the D1 level. We aren't talking about women here. We are talking about men (if you can call a guy that small a man). Seems like boy sized to me which just doesn't belong at the D1 level. 

[Boring]

15 minutes ago, WrestlingRash said:

125 is far too small for a weight class at the D1 level. We aren't talking about women here. We are talking about men (if you can call a guy that small a man). Seems like boy sized to me which just doesn't belong at the D1 level. 

It's pretty small for a full grown man, that's for sure. I can't imagine there are many 125 pound men walking around in the USA, home of fried chicken and collard greens. But I don't mind having a 125 pound weight class because there ARE little guys that size running around.  Here's a sad story, I knew a guy who was a superb 101 pounder in HS, wrestled 101 pounds all 4 years. Now I don't usually respect seniors in HS winning state titles at 101 because they are wrestling nothing but Fr and Sophomores, even 8th graders, but my friend is a really tiny little dude. He just didn't grow.  He got to a college room, poof, his career was essentially over. Although he was a great wrestler, he was too small even for the 118 pound weight class (which existed at the time) and he got crushed by EVERY other kid in the room he wrestled. So there are already little guys that the sport passes over from HS to college.  By the way, the guy I'm referring to is 55 years old now and a whole whopping 123 pounds! What a butterball! 

 

[Boring]

On 4/18/2025 at 10:11 AM, 1032004 said:

The fact that Bastida has now on multiple occasions been used as an example for someone doing “worse” at 285, IMO is proof that it’s far more common to do better.

I’m not sure how “injured” he really was at the end of this season btw…

I'm not sure how Bastida did "worse" at HWT. True, he didn't place at NCAAs at HWT and did place at 197, but he was undefeated until the NCAA quarterfinals the year he wrestled HWT. He was banged up from what I understand, so I'm willing to give him a pass on "only" finishing R12. He straight up dominated Zach Elam, beat Wyatt Hendrickson, Davison, Schultz during the regular season. I think if he hadn't gotten banged up he probably would've made the finals, at least, at NCAAs. 

[1032004]

On 4/18/2025 at 2:55 PM, WrestlingRash said:

125 should not be an NCAA weight class. Nobody cares about these tiny little guys. Wrestling is the only combat sport in all of the world where people pretend to care about tiny little guys. The show is anything 174 and up. I am on board with cutting 125 and 133. 

Didn’t Henry Cejudo fight at 125 in the UFC?

[1032004]

1 minute ago, Boring said:

I'm not sure how Bastida did "worse" at HWT. True, he didn't place at NCAAs at HWT and did place at 197, but he was undefeated until the NCAA quarterfinals the year he wrestled HWT. He was banged up from what I understand, so I'm willing to give him a pass on "only" finishing R12. He straight up dominated Zach Elam, beat Wyatt Hendrickson, Davison, Schultz during the regular season. I think if he hadn't gotten banged up he probably would've made the finals, at least, at NCAAs. 

Agree.  My point is multiple people have now used him as an example of being “worse,” but anyone with eyes could see he was actually better.

Edited Wednesday at 05:04 PM by 1032004

[Boring]

Just now, 1032004 said:

Didn’t Henry Cejudo fight at 125 in the UFC?

He started at 112 pounds. Can you believe MMA has 112 pounders fighting each other? It's like a chickenfight. 

[WrestlingRash]

30 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

Didn’t Henry Cejudo fight at 125 in the UFC?

Didn't the UFC drop that division because it doesn't sell and because it was boring? nobody cared to watch these little guys. 

[Boring]

1 hour ago, MPhillips said:

A guy that vacays in OK isn't really sound of mind...

Speaking of, I stayed in Sand Springs a few days ago at a fleabag motel (I didn't know it was a fleabag motel when I booked online). Sand Springs is the hometown of Okie State's favorite also-ran, Daton Fix. But that's not the interesting thing, the interesting thing is the woman running the front desk when I checked in was 6'5" tall and I bet she was every pound of 3 bills, no kidding. The biggest woman by far I've ever seen in my life. She was bigger than Kerkvliet, think about that. I couldn't help but think she probably played college bball somewhere. 

Edited Wednesday at 05:40 PM by Boring

[Gene Mills Fan]

1 minute ago, Boring said:

Speaking of, I stayed in Sand Springs a few days ago at a fleabag motel (I didn't know it was a fleabag motel when I booked online). Sand Springs is the hometown of Okie State's favorite also-ran, Daton Fix. But that's not the interesting thing, the interesting thing is the woman running the front desk when I checked in was 6'5" tall and I bet the was every pound of 3 bills, no kidding. The biggest woman by far I've ever seen in my life. She was bigger than Kerkvliet, think about that. 

Did she have an Adams apple?

[Boring]

7 minutes ago, Gene Mills Fan said:

Did she have an Adams apple?

Nope, 100% female. When she stood up she kept going, and going, and going! I asked her "am I imagining things, or are you as tall as you look? Do you have a raised floor on that side of the counter or something?", said as I leaned over the counter to look at the floor on the other side. She tiredly responded, as if she hears that all the time, "You aren't imagining things". I straight up asked how tall she was, and she said 6'5". She was broad too, one of those thick women you see sometimes (like college softball players sometimes). Big, big girl. 

Edited Wednesday at 05:48 PM by Boring

[MPhillips]

2 minutes ago, Gene Mills Fan said:

Did she have an Adams apple?

All woman...

I was on a wrestling trip there back in the early eighties and hooked up with a couple chicks whose summer job was corn shucking. Quite a grip...

[Gene Mills Fan]

4 minutes ago, MPhillips said:

All woman...

I was on a wrestling trip there back in the early eighties and hooked up with a couple chicks whose summer job was corn shucking. Quite a grip...

79 pinto? With what's his name's mother?

Edited Wednesday at 05:49 PM by Gene Mills Fan

[MPhillips]

1 minute ago, Gene Mills Fan said:

79 pinto?

Wagon...