Evidence the left is much more radicalized than the right

[red viking]

Proof that the right has gone off the deep end to the right (at least fiscally) is that I would have been considered a Republican back in the 1980s, under Reagan. Crazy. 

[Offthemat]

20 minutes ago, red viking said:

Proof that the right has gone off the deep end to the right (at least fiscally) is that I would have been considered a Republican back in the 1980s, under Reagan. Crazy. 

I’m calling this delusion.  Can you give one example of a Reagan proposal that

1.  You agree with.

2.  The Republican Party has moved right on. 
 

(At least fiscally, that is.)

[Offthemat]

29 minutes ago, mspart said:

Hopefully they can extract themselves from that mindset.   Obviously, voting D is not making their lives better.   It took Seattle 10 years to see that.   They did not vote R, they just mostly refuse to vote radical D idiots into positions of power.   They have been voting in more moderate Ds that are almost reasonable. 

mspart

How did your vote on natural gas go?

[mspart]

There were 4 initiatives on the ballot. 

1.  Natural gas use and provision for would not be restricted

2.  Repeal the state capital gains tax

3.  Make the now mandatory tax for long term care voluntary

4.  Repeal the hidden gas tax that is a CO2 tax.  

There were 3 others that were passed by the legislature.   So those are law now.   Of the 4 above, only one passed.   The one on natural gas.   The other three were worded on the ballot in a confusing manner so that people that that by voting NO, they were passing the initiative.   That is the state's fault and they didn't want any of these to pass.   There was a 150 million dollar ad campaign against these initiatives as well that further confused the actual issue the initiatives were aimed at. 

Case in point,  many ads said that repealing the CO2 tax would harm the roads and bridges by restricting access to money.   The law that implemented the CO2 tax specifically says the money received from it cannot go to roads and bridges.   So they lied.   Similar for the others as well. 

So the CO2 auctions will continue and our gas, diesel, propane, and nat gas will still be one of the highest costs in the nation.  Workers will still HAVE to pay for long term health care that does not follow you if you move out of state and only gives $35k total after a lifetime of giving in.   The state capital gains tax stays on people that get more than $250k on capital gains.   This is called an excise tax by the State Supreme Court, not income like the feds and every other state that does an income tax says.   If the State Supreme Court had said it was a income tax it would have been struck down as unconstitutional to the WA constitution. 

So crazy stuff going on here. 

mspart

[Offthemat]

12 minutes ago, mspart said:

There were 4 initiatives on the ballot. 

1.  Natural gas use and provision for would not be restricted

2.  Repeal the state capital gains tax

3.  Make the now mandatory tax for long term care voluntary

4.  Repeal the hidden gas tax that is a CO2 tax.  

There were 3 others that were passed by the legislature.   So those are law now.   Of the 4 above, only one passed.   The one on natural gas.   The other three were worded on the ballot in a confusing manner so that people that that by voting NO, they were passing the initiative.   That is the state's fault and they didn't want any of these to pass.   There was a 150 million dollar ad campaign against these initiatives as well that further confused the actual issue the initiatives were aimed at. 

Case in point,  many ads said that repealing the CO2 tax would harm the roads and bridges by restricting access to money.   The law that implemented the CO2 tax specifically says the money received from it cannot go to roads and bridges.   So they lied.   Similar for the others as well. 

So the CO2 auctions will continue and our gas, diesel, propane, and nat gas will still be one of the highest costs in the nation.  Workers will still HAVE to pay for long term health care that does not follow you if you move out of state and only gives $35k total after a lifetime of giving in.   The state capital gains tax stays on people that get more than $250k on capital gains.   This is called an excise tax by the State Supreme Court, not income like the feds and every other state that does an income tax says.   If the State Supreme Court had said it was a income tax it would have been struck down as unconstitutional to the WA constitution. 

So crazy stuff going on here. 

mspart

Unlikely to change until you get rid of the mail-in vote. 
 

At least you can arrange to stay warm and cook. 

Edited Wednesday at 08:20 PM by Offthemat

[mspart]

Yes, that was a win.    There were 6 original initiatives.   The legislature did not want us to be voting on all because it would show how out in left field they are.   So they affirmed 3 before they could go to the voters.   The other three wer sent to the ballot.   The Natural Gas one was added in a sprint to get it on the ballot.   So out of 7 initiatives, 4 were passed.   Not a bad record at all.   But not what was wanted.  

mail in might be an issue I agree.   However, the State voted for Harris by less  than they voted for Biden.   More voted for Trump  in 2024 than in 2020.   There is an indication of future direction there but we voted in an all D legislature and all D state wide elected positions.  So we still have a lot to learn here. 

mspart