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37 minutes ago, ThreePointTakedown said:

So, based on three weeks of you taunting and calling me names for just not signing on and engaging, you expect me to come back, hat in hand to the dishonest mob of people that, quite easily could say the exact same thing you just suggested, on a daily basis. 

I have apologized for calling someone names. Admitted it was not conducive to a conversation. It was one of my first interactions with JBT. Did it make any difference in their approach? Not a bit. Are they still as dishonest and spiteful as they have ever been, hell bent on disrupting/destroying rather than building? In my opinion, yes. Do you actively jump in to pile on whenever you get the chance, with little more than 'I'm going to accuse them of the same things that I do before they can to me' as if it's a point at all? In my opinion, yes. 

Tell you what, if you do all you've suggested first, in a show of good faith, and apologize for participating the that was that thread about us, then yes, I'll do the same. But you get nothing until you move the goal posts back to where they started. 

Thank you for adding context. 

I do say things I would say to someone's face. If a bad idea is a bad idea or a bad take is a bad take or you have little to no evidence to hold your position, I'm going to tell you. Does that make me bad? No. It means I want a better opponent with better tools/skills to help me become better. Does that mean we can't be friends? Maybe. If you want to exercise you demons by saying and doing things you wouldn't otherwise do, go play call of duty. Granted we aren't going to change the world here. But having a good, honest conversation about things, important or not, is how that ball gets rolling down the hill. I am in favor of having serious or not, but honest conversations about things. Whataboutism and devil's advocate have their place but only in an honest environment. I have said that time and time again. I keep coming back to try to be civilized with you and the other three posters but are met with vitriol while being away and even after being away for weeks. Take a breath. Settle down or is the dopamine that big of a rush? 

Me asking you for evidence is not an attack on you. I'm trying to make you better so I can become better. 

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9 hours ago, ThreePointTakedown said:

So, based on three weeks of you taunting and calling me names for just not signing on and engaging, you expect me to come back, hat in hand to the dishonest mob of people that, quite easily could say the exact same thing you just suggested, on a daily basis. 

I have apologized for calling someone names. Admitted it was not conducive to a conversation. It was one of my first interactions with JBT. Did it make any difference in their approach? Not a bit. Are they still as dishonest and spiteful as they have ever been, hell bent on disrupting/destroying rather than building? In my opinion, yes. Do you actively jump in to pile on whenever you get the chance, with little more than 'I'm going to accuse them of the same things that I do before they can to me' as if it's a point at all? In my opinion, yes. 

Tell you what, if you do all you've suggested first, in a show of good faith, and apologize for participating the that was that thread about us, then yes, I'll do the same. But you get nothing until you move the goal posts back to where they started. 

Thank you for adding context. 

I do say things I would say to someone's face. If a bad idea is a bad idea or a bad take is a bad take or you have little to no evidence to hold your position, I'm going to tell you. Does that make me bad? No. It means I want a better opponent with better tools/skills to help me become better. Does that mean we can't be friends? Maybe. If you want to exercise you demons by saying and doing things you wouldn't otherwise do, go play call of duty. Granted we aren't going to change the world here. But having a good, honest conversation about things, important or not, is how that ball gets rolling down the hill. I am in favor of having serious or not, but honest conversations about things. Whataboutism and devil's advocate have their place but only in an honest environment. I have said that time and time again. I keep coming back to try to be civilized with you and the other three posters but are met with vitriol while being away and even after being away for weeks. Take a breath. Settle down or is the dopamine that big of a rush? 

Me asking you for evidence is not an attack on you. I'm trying to make you better so I can become better. 

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There’s no such thing as good honest conversation with you. You answer a question with 20 questions and claim the info given to you isn’t correct or honest.   Believe me you get what you deserve in the responses people give you.  It’s not just one person that feels this way about you as there’s 5-6 that tell you the same things and you ignore them all as if it’s everyone else’s fault.   Oh and I’d sure love to see where you apologized to me for calling me names as you’ve used most of them in the book on me.   Keep telling yourself it has nothing to do with you all while you’re the common denominator. 

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