nhs67 Posted April 8 Posted April 8 Now that we know the entire field and who will be competing where, in respects to byes to the semi-finals, how do we think seeds will play out? Nomad had gone in to great detail, mind you with obviously opinionated picks as to how he thinks they should go, but how do we think they're going to go? Here are who is qualified as of now, with their 'projected' weights... I have taken the liberty of putting who I think will NOT show up in italics. Some thing to consider with this is that once you are qualified, you are qualified. There is no stipulation as to what weight you can wrestle once you are qualified. Meaning Daton Fix could go 65 KG or Aaron Brooks could go 97 KG. The stipulations are only with the 'byes' that are earned. For example, a bye to the best-of-three finals is stipulated upon you having earned a medal at that Olympic weight the year prior. A bye to the bottom semi-finals is stipulated that you earned a medal at an adjacent weight the year prior (technically Snyder could have gone 125 KG if he chose, with a bye to the bottom semi-finals). The guys waiting in the best-of-three finals and the bye to the semi-finals gents are locked in as of now, though, as they had to declare their intentions by the end of last month. Again, here are the currently qualified gents for MFS... 57 KG Challenge Tournament Zane Richards - 2023 World Team member Thomas Gilman - 2020 Olympic Team member Daton Fix - 2019 World Team member Marcus Blaze - 2023 U17 World champion Spencer Lee - 2023 Bill Farrell champion Nico Megaludis - 2023 Senior Nationals 2nd place Liam Cronin - 2023 Senior Nationals 3rd place Daniel DeShazer - 2023 Senior Nationals 4th place Luke Lilledahl - 2023 Senior Nationals 5th place Richard Figeroa - NCAA D1 champion at 125 lbs Vitali Arujau - 2023 Senior World champion 61 KG Joe Colon - 2018 World Team member 61 KG Nick Suriano - 2024 Pan Am Championships champion 61 KG Jax Forrest - Last Chance Qualifier 65 KG Sitting out to Bottom Semi-Finals Zain Retherford - 2023 Senior World champion at 70 KG Challenge Tournament Nick Lee - 2023 World Team member Yianni Diakomihalis - 2022 World Team member Logan Stieber - 2018 World Team member Kaleb Larkin - 2023 Bill Farrell champion Andrew Alirez - 2023 Senior Nationals champion Beau Bartlett - 2023 Senior Nationals 2nd place Joey McKenna - 2023 Senior Nationals 3rd place Seth Gross - 2023 Senior Nationals 4th place Austin DeSanto - 2023 Senior Nationals 5th place Jesse Mendez - NCAA D1 champion at 141 lbs Caleb Henson - 2024 NCAA D1 champion at 149 lbs Nahshon Garrett - 2018 World Final Trials champion 61 KG Tyler Graff - 2019 World Team member 61 KG James Green - 2021 World Team member 70 KG Alec Pantaleo - 2024 Pan Am Championships champion 70 KG Matthew Kolodzik - Last Chance Qualifier 74 KG Sitting out to Best-of-Three Finals Kyle Dake - 2023 Senior World silver medal at Olympic weight Challenge Tournament Jordan Burroughs - 2019 World Team member Mitchell Mesenbrink - 2023 U20 World champion Keegan O'Toole - 2023 U23 World champion Jason Nolf - 2023 Bill Farrell champion Quincy Monday - 2023 Senior Nationals champion Alex Marinelli - 2023 Senior Nationals 2nd place Alex Facundo - 2023 Senior Nationals 3rd place Jarrett Jacques - 2023 Senior Nationals 4th place Tyler Berger - 2023 Senior Nationals 5th place Levi Haines - 2024 NCAA D1 champion at 157 lbs David Carr - 2024 NCAA D1 champion at 165 lbs Carter Starocci - 2024 NCAA D1 champion at 174 lbs Meyer Shapiro - 2023 U20 World champion 70 KG Ladarion Lockett - 2023 U17 World champion 71 KG Vincenzo Joseph - Last Chance Qualifer 86 KG Sitting out to Best-Of-Three Finals David Taylor - 2023 Senior World champion at Olympic weight Sitting out to Bottom Semi-Finals Zahid Valencia - 2023 Senior World bronze medalist at 92 KG Challenge Tournament Patrick Downey - 2019 World Team member Aaron Brooks - 2023 U23 World champion Trent Hidlay - 2023 Bill Farrell champion Alex Dieringer - 2023 Senior Nationals champion Mark Hall - 2023 Senior Nationals 2nd place Max Dean - 2023 Senior Nationals 3rd place Connor Mirasola - 2023 Senior Nationals 4th place Evan Wick - 2023 Senior Nationals 5th place Parker Keckeisen - NCAA D1 champion at 184 lbs Chance Marsteller - 2023 World Team member 79 KG David McFadden - Last Chance Qualifier 97 KG Sitting out to Best-of-Three Finals Kyle Snyder - 2023 Senior World bronze medalist at Olympic weight Challenge Tournament Isaac Trumble - 2023 U23 World champion Michael Macchiavello - 2023 Bill Farrell champion Kollin Moore - 2023 Senior Nationals champion Nathan Jackson - 2023 Senior Nationals runner-up Jay Aiello - 2023 Senior Nationals 3rd place Eric Schulz - 2023 Senior Nationals 4th place Anthony Cassioppi - 2023 Senior Nationals 5th place J’den Cox - 2022 World Team member 92 KG Christian Carroll - Last Chance Qualifier 125 KG Sitting out to Best-of-Three Finals Mason Parris - 2023 Senior World bronze medalist at Olympic weight Challenge Tournament Gable Steveson - 2020 Olympic Team member Hayden Zillmer - 2022 World Team member Nick Gwiazdowski - 2021 World Team member Wyatt Hendrickson - 2023 U23 World champion Christian Lance - 2023 Bill Farrell highest placer Dominique Bradley - 2023 Senior Nationals champion Gary Traub - 2023 Senior Nationals 3rd place Demetrius Thoms - 2023 Senior Nationals 4th place Trent Hillger - 2023 Senior Nationals 5th place Greg Kerkvliet - NCAA D1 championat 285 lbs Jaron Smith - Last Chance Qualifier Disclaimer: If Steveson does show up at 125 KG, I expect Zillmer to be at 97 KG. 3 2 1 1 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
Interviewed_at_Weehawken Posted April 8 Posted April 8 (edited) 39 minutes ago, nhs67 said: Now that we know the entire field and who will be competing where, in respects to byes to the semi-finals, how do we think seeds will play out? Nomad had gone in to great detail, mind you with obviously opinionated picks as to how he thinks they should go, but how do we think they're going to go? Here are who is qualified as of now, with their 'projected' weights... I have taken the liberty of putting who I think will NOT show up in italics. Some thing to consider with this is that once you are qualified, you are qualified. There is no stipulation as to what weight you can wrestle once you are qualified. Meaning Daton Fix could go 65 KG or Aaron Brooks could go 97 KG. The stipulations are only with the 'byes' that are earned. For example, a bye to the best-of-three finals is stipulated upon you having earned a medal at that Olympic weight the year prior. A bye to the bottom semi-finals is stipulated that you earned a medal at an adjacent weight the year prior (technically Snyder could have gone 125 KG if he chose, with a bye to the bottom semi-finals). The guys waiting in the best-of-three finals and the bye to the semi-finals gents are locked in as of now, though, as they had to declare their intentions by the end of last month. Again, here are the currently qualified gents for MFS... 57 KG Challenge Tournament Zane Richards - 2023 World Team member Thomas Gilman - 2020 Olympic Team member Daton Fix - 2019 World Team member Marcus Blaze - 2023 U17 World champion Spencer Lee - 2023 Bill Farrell champion Nico Megaludis - 2023 Senior Nationals 2nd place Liam Cronin - 2023 Senior Nationals 3rd place Daniel DeShazer - 2023 Senior Nationals 4th place Luke Lilledahl - 2023 Senior Nationals 5th place Richard Figeroa - NCAA D1 champion at 125 lbs Vitali Arujau - 2023 Senior World champion 61 KG Joe Colon - 2018 World Team member 61 KG Nick Suriano - 2024 Pan Am Championships champion 61 KG Jax Forrest - Last Chance Qualifier 65 KG Sitting out to Bottom Semi-Finals Zain Retherford - 2023 Senior World champion at 70 KG Challenge Tournament Nick Lee - 2023 World Team member Yianni Diakomihalis - 2022 World Team member Logan Stieber - 2018 World Team member Kaleb Larkin - 2023 Bill Farrell champion Andrew Alirez - 2023 Senior Nationals champion Beau Bartlett - 2023 Senior Nationals 2nd place Joey McKenna - 2023 Senior Nationals 3rd place Seth Gross - 2023 Senior Nationals 4th place Austin DeSanto - 2023 Senior Nationals 5th place Jesse Mendez - NCAA D1 champion at 141 lbs Caleb Henson - 2024 NCAA D1 champion at 149 lbs Nahshon Garrett - 2018 World Final Trials champion 61 KG Tyler Graff - 2019 World Team member 61 KG James Green - 2021 World Team member 70 KG Alec Pantaleo - 2024 Pan Am Championships champion 70 KG Matthew Kolodzik - Last Chance Qualifier 74 KG Sitting out to Best-of-Three Finals Kyle Dake - 2023 Senior World silver medal at Olympic weight Challenge Tournament Jordan Burroughs - 2019 World Team member Mitchell Mesenbrink - 2023 U20 World champion Keegan O'Toole - 2023 U23 World champion Jason Nolf - 2023 Bill Farrell champion Quincy Monday - 2023 Senior Nationals champion Alex Marinelli - 2023 Senior Nationals 2nd place Alex Facundo - 2023 Senior Nationals 3rd place Jarrett Jacques - 2023 Senior Nationals 4th place Tyler Berger - 2023 Senior Nationals 5th place Levi Haines - 2024 NCAA D1 champion at 157 lbs David Carr - 2024 NCAA D1 champion at 165 lbs Carter Starocci - 2024 NCAA D1 champion at 174 lbs Meyer Shapiro - 2023 U20 World champion 70 KG Ladarion Lockett - 2023 U17 World champion 71 KG Vincenzo Joseph - Last Chance Qualifer 86 KG Sitting out to Best-Of-Three Finals David Taylor - 2023 Senior World champion at Olympic weight Sitting out to Bottom Semi-Finals Zahid Valencia - 2023 Senior World bronze medalist at 92 KG Challenge Tournament Patrick Downey - 2019 World Team member Aaron Brooks - 2023 U23 World champion Trent Hidlay - 2023 Bill Farrell champion Alex Dieringer - 2023 Senior Nationals champion Mark Hall - 2023 Senior Nationals 2nd place Max Dean - 2023 Senior Nationals 3rd place Connor Mirasola - 2023 Senior Nationals 4th place Evan Wick - 2023 Senior Nationals 5th place Parker Keckeisen - NCAA D1 champion at 184 lbs Chance Marsteller - 2023 World Team member 79 KG David McFadden - Last Chance Qualifier 97 KG Sitting out to Best-of-Three Finals Kyle Snyder - 2023 Senior World bronze medalist at Olympic weight Challenge Tournament Isaac Trumble - 2023 U23 World champion Michael Macchiavello - 2023 Bill Farrell champion Kollin Moore - 2023 Senior Nationals champion Nathan Jackson - 2023 Senior Nationals runner-up Jay Aiello - 2023 Senior Nationals 3rd place Eric Schulz - 2023 Senior Nationals 4th place Anthony Cassioppi - 2023 Senior Nationals 5th place J’den Cox - 2022 World Team member 92 KG Christian Carroll - Last Chance Qualifier 125 KG Sitting out to Best-of-Three Finals Mason Parris - 2023 Senior World bronze medalist at Olympic weight Challenge Tournament Gable Steveson - 2020 Olympic Team member Hayden Zillmer - 2022 World Team member Nick Gwiazdowski - 2021 World Team member Wyatt Hendrickson - 2023 U23 World champion Christian Lance - 2023 Bill Farrell highest placer Dominique Bradley - 2023 Senior Nationals champion Gary Traub - 2023 Senior Nationals 3rd place Demetrius Thoms - 2023 Senior Nationals 4th place Trent Hillger - 2023 Senior Nationals 5th place Greg Kerkvliet - NCAA D1 championat 285 lbs Jaron Smith - Last Chance Qualifier Disclaimer: If Steveson does show up at 125 KG, I expect Zillmer to be at 97 KG. Great post! You don't think PD3 will show? What makes you say that? Edited April 8 by Interviewed_at_Weehawken 1 2
Truzzcat Posted April 8 Posted April 8 (edited) 57kg Zane Richards - 3 Thomas Gilman - 2 Daton Fix - 5 Marcus Blaze - 12 Spencer Lee - 4 Nico Megaludis - 6 Liam Cronin - 8 Daniel DeShazer - 10 Luke Lilledahl - 9 Richard Figeroa - 13 Vitali Arujau - 1 Nick Suriano - 7 Jax Forrest - 11 65kg Nick Lee - 1 Yianni Diakomihalis - 2 Kaleb Larkin - 6 Andrew Alirez - 3 Beau Bartlett - 4 Joey McKenna - 5 Seth Gross - 8 Austin DeSanto - 9 Jesse Mendez - 7 Caleb Henson - 14 Nahshon Garrett - 15 Tyler Graff - 13 James Green - 11 Alec Pantaleo - 10 Matthew Kolodzik - 12 74kg Jordan Burroughs - 1 Mitchell Mesenbrink - 5 Keegan O'Toole - 3 Jason Nolf - 2 Quincy Monday - 8 Alex Marinelli - 10 Alex Facundo - 12 Jarrett Jacques - 12 Tyler Berger - 9 Levi Haines - 13 David Carr - 7 Carter Starocci - 8 Meyer Shapiro - 4 Ladarion Lockett - 11 Vincenzo Joseph - 6 (this seeding feels absolutely wrong based off of where I think guys will place relative to seed but baced purely on PIN and senior/age level results this is where I think it shakes out) 86kg Patrick Downey - 11 Aaron Brooks - 1 Trent Hidlay - 3 Alex Dieringer - 4 Mark Hall - 5 Max Dean - 6 Connor Mirasola - 7 Evan Wick - 8 Parker Keckeisen - 10 Chance Marsteller - 2 David McFadden - 9 97kg Isaac Trumble - 4 Michael Macchiavello - 2 Kollin Moore - 3 Nathan Jackson - 5 Jay Aiello - 6 Eric Schulz - 8 Anthony Cassioppi - 9 J’den Cox - 1 Christian Carroll - 7 125kg Gable Steveson - 1 lol Hayden Zillmer - 2 Nick Gwiazdowski - 3 Wyatt Hendrickson - 4 Christian Lance - 7 Dominique Bradley - 6 Gary Traub - 8 Demetrius Thoms - 9 Trent Hillger - 10 Greg Kerkvliet - 5 Jaron Smith - 11 (this weight should just start at the quarters) I c&p'd from the OP so the seeds wont match as the names are listed Edited April 8 by Truzzcat 1 1
nhs67 Posted April 8 Author Posted April 8 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Truzzcat said: 57kg Zane Richards - 3 Thomas Gilman - 2 Daton Fix - 5 Marcus Blaze - 12 Spencer Lee - 4 Nico Megaludis - 6 Liam Cronin - 8 Daniel DeShazer - 10 Luke Lilledahl - 9 Richard Figeroa - 13 Vitali Arujau - 1 Nick Suriano - 7 Jax Forrest - 11 65kg Nick Lee - 1 Yianni Diakomihalis - 2 Kaleb Larkin - 6 Andrew Alirez - 3 Beau Bartlett - 4 Joey McKenna - 5 Seth Gross - 8 Austin DeSanto - 9 Jesse Mendez - 7 Caleb Henson - 14 Nahshon Garrett - 15 Tyler Graff - 13 James Green - 11 Alec Pantaleo - 10 Matthew Kolodzik - 12 74kg Jordan Burroughs - 1 Mitchell Mesenbrink - 5 Keegan O'Toole - 3 Jason Nolf - 2 Quincy Monday - 8 Alex Marinelli - 10 Alex Facundo - 12 Jarrett Jacques - 12 Tyler Berger - 9 Levi Haines - 13 David Carr - 7 Carter Starocci - 8 Meyer Shapiro - 4 Ladarion Lockett - 11 Vincenzo Joseph - 6 (this seeding feels absolutely wrong based off of where I think guys will place relative to seed but baced purely on PIN and senior/age level results this is where I think it shakes out) 86kg Patrick Downey - 11 Aaron Brooks - 1 Trent Hidlay - 3 Alex Dieringer - 4 Mark Hall - 5 Max Dean - 6 Connor Mirasola - 7 Evan Wick - 8 Parker Keckeisen - 10 Chance Marsteller - 2 David McFadden - 9 97kg Isaac Trumble - 4 Michael Macchiavello - 2 Kollin Moore - 3 Nathan Jackson - 5 Jay Aiello - 6 Eric Schulz - 8 Anthony Cassioppi - 9 J’den Cox - 1 Christian Carroll - 7 125kg Gable Steveson - 1 lol Hayden Zillmer - 2 Nick Gwiazdowski - 3 Wyatt Hendrickson - 4 Christian Lance - 7 Dominique Bradley - 6 Gary Traub - 8 Demetrius Thoms - 9 Trent Hillger - 10 Greg Kerkvliet - 5 Jaron Smith - 11 (this weight should just start at the quarters) I c&p'd from the OP so the seeds wont match as the names are listed Formatted to read proper. FWIW, I disagree with a lot of it, but I do appreciate you giving it a proper go, mate. 57kg 1 Vitali Arujau 2 Thomas Gilman 3 Zane Richards 4 Spencer Lee 5 Daton Fix 6 Nico Megaludis 7 Nick Suriano 8 Liam Cronin 9 Luke Lilledahl 10 Daniel DeShazer 11 Jax Forrest 12 Marcus Blaze 13 Richard Figeroa 65kg 1 Nick Lee 2 Yianni Diakomihalis 3 Andrew Alirez 4 Beau Bartlett 5 Joey McKenna 6 Kaleb Larkin 7 Jesse Mendez 8 Seth Gross 9 Austin DeSanto 10 Alec Pantaleo 11 James Green 12 Matthew Kolodzik 13 Tyler Graff 14 Caleb Henson 15 Nahshon Garrett 74kg 1 Jordan Burroughs 2 Jason Nolf 3 Keegan O'Toole 4 Meyer Shapiro 5 Mitchell Mesenbrink 6 Vincenzo Joseph 7 David Carr 8 Quincy Monday 8 Carter Starocci 9 Tyler Berger 10 Alex Marinelli 11 Ladarion Lockett 12 Alex Facundo 12 Jarrett Jacques 13 Levi Haines 86kg 1 Aaron Brooks 2 Chance Marsteller 3 Trent Hidlay 4 Alex Dieringer 5 Mark Hall 6 Max Dean 7 Connor Mirasola 8 Evan Wick 9 David McFadden 10 Parker Keckeisen 11 Patrick Downey 97kg 1 J’den Cox 2 Michael Macchiavello 3 Kollin Moore 4 Isaac Trumble 5 Nathan Jackson 6 Jay Aiello 7 Christian Carroll 8 Eric Schulz 9 Anthony Cassioppi 125kg 1 Gable Steveson 2 Hayden Zillmer 3 Nick Gwiazdowski 4 Wyatt Hendrickson 5 Greg Kerkvliet 6 Dominique Bradley 7 Christian Lance 8 Gary Traub 9 Demetrius Thoms 10 Trent Hillger 11 Jaron Smith EDIT: These are @Truzzcat's not mine. Edited April 8 by nhs67 1 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
nhs67 Posted April 8 Author Posted April 8 86 KG seems pretty straightforward for me... 1 - Aaron Brooks 2 - Trent Hidlay 3 - Alex Dieringer 4 - Mark Hall 5 - Chance Marsteller 6 - Max Dean 7 - Parker Keckeisen 8 - Connor Mirasola 9 - David McFadden 10 - Evan Wick The Hidlay - Dieringer (or Dean) winner will have wrestled twice (Keckeisen or Wick will have wrestled three times) before seeing Valencia in the semi-finals on the bottom side. Because there is no actual criteria for seeding this year, I do think that if Blue Dragons Jr shows up he is slotted in at #11. They won't even try to seed him even if he says he will be there for pre-seeding purposes. 1 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
nhs67 Posted April 8 Author Posted April 8 (edited) I think 97 KG has a few different routes it could go, insofar as scenarios... 1 - J’den Cox 2 - Michael Macchiavello 3 - Kollin Moore 4 - Nathan Jackson 5 - Jay Aiello 6 - Isaac Trumble 7 - Eric Schulz 8 - Anthony Cassioppi 9 - Christian Carroll I think they reward Macch for him having the last win in the series. Aiello has kind of had the upper hand with Trumble in their series rather recently, but I could see them rewarded Trumble for his U23 Gold as well as outplacing Macchiavello at a tourney this year (he beat the guy who eliminated Macchiavello at that as well). In that scenario I would think it ends up being Moore at the 2, Trumble at the 3, Macchiavello at the 4 and Jackson at the 5 - which would look like this... 1 - J’den Cox 2 - Kollin Moore 3 - Isaac Trumble 4 - Michael Macchiavello 5 - Nathan Jackson 6 - Jay Aiello 7 - Eric Schulz 8 - Anthony Cassioppi 9 - Christian Carroll I could see them swapping Cassioppi and Carroll based on PIN(?) or w/e but I don't expect it and it wouldn't matter. EDIT: Hayden Zillmer? If he comes in, I think it's right after or right before Jackson in either scenarios. Edited April 8 by nhs67 1 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
nhs67 Posted April 8 Author Posted April 8 125 KG seems pretty straight-forward as well... 1 - Hayden Zillmer 2 - Nick Gwiazdowski 3 - Dominique Bradley 4 - Wyatt Hendrickson 5 - Greg Kerkvliet 6 - Christian Lance 7 - Gary Traub 8 - Demetrius Thoms 9 - Trent Hillger 10 - Jaron Smith If Steveson does, in fact, wrestle then slot him in at the #1, and move Zillmer to 97 KG (as I stated above earlier). I do believe we finally get to see Hendrickson - Gwiazdowski or Kerkvliet - Gwiazdowski in the finals here for the right to see Parris in the Best-of-Three finals. 1 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
nhs67 Posted April 8 Author Posted April 8 The other three points are purely conjecture, but I will follow up with those later today (if I can get to it). "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
steamboat_charlie Posted April 8 Posted April 8 Just want to say, you boys are locked in. Posters must prepare for the Olympic year just like the athletes. Obviously you two are preparing to peak at the right time. 1 2
nhs67 Posted April 8 Author Posted April 8 4 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said: Vito bye to semis? Ah yeah, oversight on my part. My apologies. 1 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
nhs67 Posted April 8 Author Posted April 8 57 KG should look like this (for those entered, not seeds)... 57 KG Sitting out to Bottom Semi-Finals Vitali Arujau - 2023 Senior World champion 61 KG Challenge Tournament Zane Richards - 2023 World Team member Thomas Gilman - 2020 Olympic Team member Daton Fix - 2019 World Team member Marcus Blaze - 2023 U17 World champion Spencer Lee - 2023 Bill Farrell champion Nico Megaludis - 2023 Senior Nationals 2nd place Liam Cronin - 2023 Senior Nationals 3rd place Daniel DeShazer - 2023 Senior Nationals 4th place Luke Lilledahl - 2023 Senior Nationals 5th place Richard Figeroa - NCAA D1 champion at 125 lbs Joe Colon - 2018 World Team member 61 KG Nick Suriano - 2024 Pan Am Championships champion 61 KG Jax Forrest - Last Chance Qualifier 1 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
Truzzcat Posted April 8 Posted April 8 46 minutes ago, nhs67 said: 86 KG seems pretty straightforward for me... 1 - Aaron Brooks 2 - Trent Hidlay 3 - Alex Dieringer 4 - Mark Hall 5 - Chance Marsteller 6 - Max Dean 7 - Parker Keckeisen 8 - Connor Mirasola 9 - David McFadden 10 - Evan Wick The Hidlay - Dieringer (or Dean) winner will have wrestled twice (Keckeisen or Wick will have wrestled three times) before seeing Valencia in the semi-finals on the bottom side. Because there is no actual criteria for seeding this year, I do think that if Blue Dragons Jr shows up he is slotted in at #11. They won't even try to seed him even if he says he will be there for pre-seeding purposes. this seems like good seeding to me so no hate just wondering about your chance seeding. Being a world team member and beating two world medalists a few months ago as well as I believe having the h2h with ringer I figured he was a pretty safe 2,3
nhs67 Posted April 8 Author Posted April 8 I think 65 KG ends up being something like... 1 - Lee 2 - Yianni 3 - Alirez 4 - Bartlett 5 - Mckenna 6 - Green 7 - Larkin 8 - Mendez 9 - Nahshon 10 - Gross 11 - Kolodzik 12 - Desanto 13 - Pantaleo 14 - Henson I could see DeSanto up a few, but I don't see a reason to move him ahead of Kolodzik after he was steamrolled so badly at the Farrell. I could see a case for Yianni down at the 5 and everyone up a little, but I do not think the committee allows Yianni to fall that low. I could also see a case where Nahshon drops down below Pantaleo as well, but he is like 25-0 against Gross all-time... Henson is hard to place. I also believe I heard rumblings that he was injured prior to NCAAs as well and a decent doesn't bode well for that (ahem Starocci...)... "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
nhs67 Posted April 8 Author Posted April 8 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Truzzcat said: this seems like good seeding to me so no hate just wondering about your chance seeding. Being a world team member and beating two world medalists a few months ago as well as I believe having the h2h with ringer I figured he was a pretty safe 2,3 Do you mean Hidlay - Dieringer - Hall in that order? I think just with them going that order of finish end of last year it makes sense. I know Hidlay is like 0-8 against Hall this cycle, but he won the tournament that Hall placed 3rd at in the Bill Farrell in a bruising sort of manner. Then Hall proceeded to lose at Senior Nationals to Dieringer in pretty dominant fashion. I think the committee will favor recency bias on this one. You can't put Dieringer over Hidlay and you can't put Hall over Dieringer. It just so happens that those results happened pretty recent. Edit: NVM, I see you meant Chance Marstellar... I am an idiot. He outplaced Dean at that same tournament that he took Bronze at. Pretty easy there. I don't think you can move him ahead of Hall. Not sure the groundwork at 86 KG is there. Edited April 8 by nhs67 1 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
nhs67 Posted April 8 Author Posted April 8 @Truzzcat This is why I think you have him above Dean at the lowest... Repechage DZHIOEV Arsenii over DEAN Maxwell Ray by VPO1 (8-3) 3-1 WON by VPO1 (3-8) 1-3 Final 3-5 MARSTELLER Chandler Shane over DZHIOEV Arsenii by VPO (5-0) 3-0 These were back to back matches at the same tournament for Dzhioev. 1 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
Truzzcat Posted April 8 Posted April 8 1 minute ago, nhs67 said: @Truzzcat This is why I think you have him above Dean at the lowest... Repechage DZHIOEV Arsenii over DEAN Maxwell Ray by VPO1 (8-3) 3-1 WON by VPO1 (3-8) 1-3 Final 3-5 MARSTELLER Chandler Shane over DZHIOEV Arsenii by VPO (5-0) 3-0 These were back to back matches at the same tournament for Dzhioev. Chance could have done well for himself to wrestle at the BF or Senior nats because I agree domestically, he does not have the 86kg results. 1
nhs67 Posted April 8 Author Posted April 8 58 minutes ago, Truzzcat said: Chance could have done well for himself to wrestle at the BF or Senior nats because I agree domestically, he does not have the 86kg results. I mean, we never know. He could get put right at the #2 or #3 based on his Dieringer result. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
nhs67 Posted April 8 Author Posted April 8 Man 74 KG is a shit show. 1 - Burroughs 2 - Nolf 3 - O'Toole 4 - Carr 5 - Starocci 6 - Mesenbrink 7 - Monday 8 - Marinelli 9 - Cenzo 10 - Facundo 11 - Berger 12 - Jacques 13 - Shapiro 14 - Haines 15 - Lockett I think 1-2-3 are set in stone, basically. You have a decent range of who could be where. I have a feeling that they will try to keep the NLWC gents away from each other in the first round. Not sure how many coaches who will have in this seeding meeting. I would love to be a fly on the wall there. I could see Starocci above Carr, I could also see Mesenbrink above Carr. Cenzo could be as high as 6 and and as low as 10 (I don't see him being below Berger). Jacques could be dropped below Haines. Shapiro does have a world medal and Haines does not, but Haines just dominated the weight at NCAAs that Shapiro placed 3rd in. 1 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
nhs67 Posted April 8 Author Posted April 8 I think 57 KG isn't actually that hard to seed... 1 - Richards 2 - Gilman 3 - Fix 4 - Spencer 5 - Suriano 6 - Megaludis 7 - Figueroa 8 - Cronin 9 - DeShazer 10 - Lilledahl 11 - Blaze 12 - Forrest Keep in mind there isn't an actual criteria now, but many factors will be considered. Blaze did beat Forrest, while it was Folkstyle - it did happen. Figs just won natties and I think he will be given decent credit for that (even if it was Folkstyle it is a qualifying tournament). Figs in the 10-12 range as well, fwiw. I could see them putting Spencer ahead of Fix based on Spencer being active on the circuit, but Fix has been our guy at 57 KG before - Spencer has not. I think the committee will respect that Megaludis has had two times to beat Spencer in the last six months and got beaten soundly both times, so they'll opt for a different (potential) QF. 1 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
Truzzcat Posted April 8 Posted April 8 10 minutes ago, nhs67 said: Man 74 KG is a shit show. 1 - Burroughs 2 - Nolf 3 - O'Toole 4 - Carr 5 - Starocci 6 - Mesenbrink 7 - Monday 8 - Marinelli 9 - Cenzo 10 - Facundo 11 - Berger 12 - Jacques 13 - Shapiro 14 - Haines 15 - Lockett I think 1-2-3 are set in stone, basically. You have a decent range of who could be where. I have a feeling that they will try to keep the NLWC gents away from each other in the first round. Not sure how many coaches who will have in this seeding meeting. I would love to be a fly on the wall there. I could see Starocci above Carr, I could also see Mesenbrink above Carr. Cenzo could be as high as 6 and and as low as 10 (I don't see him being below Berger). Jacques could be dropped below Haines. Shapiro does have a world medal and Haines does not, but Haines just dominated the weight at NCAAs that Shapiro placed 3rd in. Shapiro is the biggest wildcard to me. If you look at strictly freestyle he has a cadet and junior gold. If you look at the NCAA season he has to be behind Haines. I'm super curious as to what they do with him.
nhs67 Posted April 8 Author Posted April 8 So preliminarily this is what I got for each weight... 57 KG 1 - Richards 2 - Gilman 3 - Fix 4 - Lee 5 - Suriano 6 - Megaludis 7 - Figueroa 8 - Cronin 9 - DeShazer 10 - Lilledahl 11 - Blaze 12 - Forrest Semi-finals - Lee over Richards, Gilman over Arujau (Gilman over Fix) Best of Three Finals - Gilman over Lee 2-1 65 KG 1 - Lee 2 - Johnny D 3 - Alirez 4 - Bartlett 5 - Mckenna 6 - Green 7 - Larkin 8 - Mendez 9 - Nahshon 10 - Gross 11 - Kolodzik 12 - Desanto 13 - Pantaleo 14 - Henson Semi-finals - Mendez over McKenna, Retherford over Alirez (Alirez over Johnny D) Best of Three Finals - Retherford over Mendez 2-1 74 KG 1 - Burroughs 2 - Nolf 3 - O'Toole 4 - Carr 5 - Starocci 6 - Mesenbrink 7 - Monday 8 - Marinelli 9 - Cenzo 10 - Facundo 11 - Berger 12 - Jacques 13 - Shapiro 14 - Haines 15 - Lockett Semi-finals - Burroughs over Carr, Nolf over O'Toole Finals - Nolf over Burroughs Best of Three Finals - Dake over Nolf 2-0 86 KG 1 - Aaron Brooks 2 - Trent Hidlay 3 - Alex Dieringer 4 - Mark Hall 5 - Chance Marsteller 6 - Max Dean 7 - Parker Keckeisen 8 - Connor Mirasola 9 - David McFadden 10 - Evan Wick Semi-finals - Brooks over Hall, Valencia over Hidlay (Hidlay over Dieringer) Finals - Brooks over Valencia Best of Three Finals - Taylor over Brooks 2-0 97 KG 1 - J’den Cox 2 - Michael Macchiavello 3 - Kollin Moore 4 - Nathan Jackson 5 - Jay Aiello 6 - Isaac Trumble 7 - Eric Schulz 8 - Anthony Cassioppi 9 - Christian Carroll Semi-finals - Cox over Jackson, Moore over Macchiavello Finals - Cox over Moore Best of Three Finals - Snyder over Cox 2-0 125 KG 1 - Hayden Zillmer 2 - Nick Gwiazdowski 3 - Dominique Bradley 4 - Wyatt Hendrickson 5 - Greg Kerkvliet 6 - Christian Lance 7 - Gary Traub 8 - Demetrius Thoms 9 - Trent Hillger 10 - Jaron Smith Semi-finals - Kerkvliet over Zillmer, Gwiazdowski over Bradley Finals - Kerkvliet over Gwiazdowski Best of Three Finals - Parris over Kerkvliet 2-0 1 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
nhs67 Posted April 8 Author Posted April 8 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
bnwtwg Posted April 9 Posted April 9 16 hours ago, nhs67 said: Nomad had gone in to great detail, Pics or it didn't happen. Oh wait... Do not normalize him. i am an idiot on the internet
nhs67 Posted April 9 Author Posted April 9 Full bracket because... why not...bored? Might do others. Not sure. 1 1 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
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