Interviewed_at_Weehawken Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 14 hours ago, BIGTENFANBOY said: You grossly exaggerated how bad Zalesky was compared to Brands. Spin it however way you want, but on paper theyre pretty similar. Still I will concede with the edge going to Brands mostly due to longevity, a dual recruiting class with number 1 transfer Brent Metcalf (if Kirkvliet is considered a transfer then so is Metcalf), and landing Spencer Lee, a wrestler who would have been great no matter where he went. Spencer made Iowa better not the other way around. Spencer may credit his success to Iowa, but i call it cognitive dissonance. I didnt forget the 2021 title. I absolutely included it, however Tom Ryan also has a team title in 2015 and has more 2nd place finishes than Iowa. You want to claim a title for 2020? Fine, but that season PSU was ranked number 1 ahead of Iowa until Cassar got injured at US Nationals. Had he not been injured, PSU would have been the front runner and Seth Nevils would not have been in the line up. If you remember, the dual that season came down to heavyweight. Cassar does not lose to freshman Tony Cassiopi (the most successful version I might add.) Finally when the heck did the discussion turn to including if Gable had stayed? If Gable had stayed and his health allowed I believe the program would be in better shape! Penn States 6th place finish was a deliberate Punt season so its justified. Iowa has never deliberately punted. Using that as an example its purely disingenuous and you know it. Dresser's programs continues to improve. His wrestlers continue to improve. Its sad you refuse to give Dresser his due credit. I 100% whole heartedly believe Iowa would be better in Dresser's hands. l also whole heartedly believe ISU would not be where it is today if Brands was running the show there. Bottomline is under Brands the program will not have its return to glory days. Hes only getting older and his style is outdated. Iowa wrestlers are not dynamic, and they peak way too early in the season and their careers and end up battered and beaten. Spencer Lee's healthy was poorly mismanaged. Real Woods was expected to be head and shoulders ahead of the field yet declined. He "didnt look like himself." Seems to be an undeniable pattern over there. Kaleb Young goes from an NCAA semifinalist and AA while handling Ryan Deakin multiple times to not AAing as a senior as Deakin improves and wins an NCAA title. I wont mention Marinelli or Kemmerer. Too many examples to give here to support my stance of Brands NOT being the 2nd best coach in NCAA wrestling. Dint get me wrong, hes a great coach for sure, but not 2nd best. Finally, yes they lost starters due to the gambling scandle (which i agree is BS), but much of that loss was mitigated by 2 AA transfers so your whole "they lost 70% of their starters" comment is also disingenuous. If anything they were better off with Franek and Caliendo at 157 and 165, 2 guys they probably wouldnt have gone for had the scandle not happened. Abe Assad doesnt AA and is comparable to Kennedy at 174 (edge to Kennedy imo.) Nelson Brands, maybe AA. Cassiopi a lower AA (6th at best) but also probably loses to Yonger Bastida. Geez, almost as if no PSU wrestlers ever get hurt. Or do they? Iowa looked healthier at season's end this year than did PSU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gromit Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 3 hours ago, Not the Real Scribe said: Cornell, think about it. No scholarships and high barriers. Koll was an incredible coach. Grey has also proven a lot in the last two years. So proud to be affiliated with this amazing programs. BTW, it all started with my coach, Andy Noel, who went on to become athletic director, holding the reigns while this all evolved. Cornell was certainly fortunate to have him as an advocate...big shoes to fill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 @BIGTENFANBOY, @Hwt1 I am not expecting to change anyone's mind here , but this is what it looks like from 2007 to 2024. And from a distribution perspective (logarithmic scale): 1 1 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interviewed_at_Weehawken Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 3 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said: @BIGTENFANBOY, @Hwt1 I am not expecting to change anyone's mind here , but this is what it looks like from 2007 to 2024. And from a distribution perspective (logarithmic scale): Thanks again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richferg Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 On 3/24/2024 at 4:18 PM, BIGTENFANBOY said: Hall and Pearsall at UPenn, Ruth and Illinois. Mollinaro at Rutgers/ASU. Isn’t Vincenzo out at Stanford? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 1 minute ago, Richferg said: Isn’t Vincenzo out at Stanford? He was. Moved to ASU in 2022 https://thesundevils.com/sports/wrestling/roster/coaches/vincenzo-joseph/5096 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interviewed_at_Weehawken Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 8 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said: He was. Moved to ASU in 2022 https://thesundevils.com/sports/wrestling/roster/coaches/vincenzo-joseph/5096 And Ruth not at Illinois. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richferg Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 20 hours ago, Hwt1 said: Be careful when saying NEVER. I seem to recall Penn State finishing SIXTH in 2015, below teams like Edinboro and Missouri. And in 2020 they got 4th at Big Ten, 50 points behind Iowa. So another likely 5/6 at NCAA. Please don’t make me laugh. PSU and Cael redshirted 12 national titles in 2015. If they had Megaludis, Zain, Nolf, Nickal, and Joseph ( or even just some of them) in the line up, I am pretty sure they would not have finished 6th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gimpeltf Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 1 hour ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said: And Ruth not at Illinois. A few of us were noticing that he wasn't in Edmond's corner. I ran into Mom Ruth at the airport and she told me Ed had moved to Serbia (?) before the season where his wife is from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinnacle Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 I would love to see the starting date of 2011. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interviewed_at_Weehawken Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 6 minutes ago, gimpeltf said: A few of us were noticing that he wasn't in Edmond's corner. I ran into Mom Ruth at the airport and she told me Ed had moved to Serbia (?) before the season where his wife is from. I thought Croatia? Regardless, in the Balkans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gimpeltf Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 Just now, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said: I thought Croatia? Regardless, in the Balkans. Next door neighbors! I'm not sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 52 minutes ago, Pinnacle said: I would love to see the starting date of 2011. I thought someone might. I don't know why I included years before wrestling started. Oklahoma State and Ohio State flip in the ranking. 1 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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