2023 Ranking tournaments

[mspart]

48 minutes ago, LJB said:

i get the sentiment, but, the current repechage rules do not bother me at all... 

I like repechage much better than the losers of the semis get to have at it for the bronze.   And it gives an otherwise #2 guy a chance at a medal. 

I would rather there be a double elimination bracket but repachage in the current method is far superior to what we had. 

mspart

[LJB]

4 minutes ago, mspart said:

I like repechage much better than the losers of the semis get to have at it for the bronze.   And it gives an otherwise #2 guy a chance at a medal. 

I would rather there be a double elimination bracket but repachage in the current method is far superior to what we had. 

mspart

repechage has just how it's been done since we were involved at a level that i really started paying attention to international wrestling other than peripherally...

i came into the game much later than most and clearly lucky to have only really experienced international rules when they are (seemingly) far superior to anything that came before...

 

[mspart]

Well, wrestling has gone through many rule changes regarding how tournaments were done.   John Smith lost a match in the 1992 Olympics and still won due to the system in place called black mark.   At that time there were pools like World Cup Soccer and the best in the pools moved on.  1996 Olympics I believe had a true double elimination bracket.  I think after that there was a 3 point rule where if there were not 3 points scored by the end of the match, the match went into overtime.  Late 90s they instituted the single elimination tourney with the semi final losers wrestling off for 3rd.  This lasted a few years until we have what we have now, single elimination unless you lose to a finalist and you are still alive to get a bronze.  All the churn was in the time frame of IOC kicking out Wrestling from the Olympics.  IOC said only 6 weights at some point and the WCs were done on that same basis.   The excuse was that the IOC would kick them out.  The federation changed to UWW and we now have 10 weights at WCs, 6 in Olys.  There was a time when the 4 weights not in the Olys did a WC that year.   Not sure if that is still happening. 

A lot of changes for sure.  I would rather see double elimination, but I'm ok with what we have now.

mspart

[LJB]

for sure...

when i fell into this sport and we decided it was the best shit ever they were still doing pool brackets... pretty sure fargo was still using them when i became aware of fargo...

(i have only know fargo as fargo which is another indication of my wrestling time line)

i did not then nor do i now actually understand those types of brackets and just because i never had to...

the boys had just started traveling nationally when the save wrestling thing was big... still in OK... had the t-shirts

the different points and all that jazz is always changing and i have to consciously make a mental note of that while going down rabbit holes of old matches...

my position has always been that no matter what rule set is in place, the best on that day will be crowned...

 

one day as a lion...

[Red95]

On 1/24/2023 at 11:40 AM, Mike Parrish said:

Keep in mind that there is a +2kg allowance for all ranking tournaments this year.

Is there a reason for the allowance in ranking tournaments? I understand allowances for random tournaments but it seems to me that if you want a seed at worlds you should have to do it at the actual weight you will be wrestling. 

[Red95]

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[LJB]

i doubt there is one competitor who is upset there is an allowance at ranking tourneys...

that 2kg is not allowing someone to "sneak" into a bracket that they would not otherwise be in...

 

[Mike Parrish]

31 minutes ago, Red95 said:

Is there a reason for the allowance in ranking tournaments? I understand allowances for random tournaments but it seems to me that if you want a seed at worlds you should have to do it at the actual weight you will be wrestling. 

I don't know.

There wasn't any sort of rationale provided.

 

If I were guessing, I'd bet it's something to do with the long downtime around COVID.

[mspart]

If I were a competitor, I'd not complain. 

mspart

[Mike Parrish]

I would also bet that the ranking tournaments next year prior to the Olympics would not have this +2kg.

[LJB]

that assumption feels correct and totally acceptable...

[bnwtwg]

2 hours ago, Mike Parrish said:

I would also bet that the ranking tournaments next year prior to the Olympics would not have this +2kg.

Is this the first time we disagree?

[Mike Parrish]

Just now, bnwtwg said:

Is this the first time we disagree?

Why wouldn't the run scratch weight at the pre-Olympics ranking tournaments next year?

[bnwtwg]

Just now, Mike Parrish said:

Why wouldn't the run scratch weight at the pre-Olympics ranking tournaments next year?

Nothing more than a hunch

[mspart]

Where is DeSanto on the UWW rankings now?

mspart

[bnwtwg]

23 hours ago, mspart said:

Where is DeSanto on the UWW rankings now?

mspart

Probably as high as Myles Martin that one time

[mspart]

Probably not wrong!  Especially since I mistakenly thought he won Zagreb (ranking series) rather than Henri Deglane (not ranking series). 

mspart

[Mike Parrish]

Next up, Alexandria, Egypt.

https://uww.org/article/ibrahim-moustafa-ranking-series-entry-list

[LJB]

kayaap front and center...

i am not mad at that...

 

[LJB]

ugh...

i was working under the impression that ildar was going to wrestle here...

clearly i made that up in my head...

lots of quality greco entries...

my new buddy has two weeks to get caught up...