Paul158 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 Tell me what you think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortaJohn Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 #1 O'Toole #2 Mesenbrink #3 Ramirez #4 Carr #5 Hamiti....I get it no one wants a Carr/O' Toole semis but Ramirez has the head to head and a conference championship 2 1 I Don't Agree With What I Posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinnacle Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 Just now, PortaJohn said: #1 O'Toole #2 Mesenbrink #3 Ramirez #4 Carr #5 Hamiti....I get it no one wants a Carr/O' Toole semis but Ramirez has the head to head and a conference championship Ramirez h2h over Carr gets him the 3. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingcement Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 1. Keegan O'Toole 2. Mitchell Mesenbrink 3. David Carr 4. Dean Hamiti 5. Julian Ramirez 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortaJohn Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 Just now, Pinnacle said: Ramirez h2h over Carr gets him the 3. Yes, that's how the formula works. They also have the same winning % and Ramirez has a conference championship. He'll score higher on the formula I Don't Agree With What I Posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortaJohn Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 Just now, flyingcement said: 1. Keegan O'Toole 2. Mitchell Mesenbrink 3. David Carr 4. Dean Hamiti 5. Julian Ramirez That's not how it works 1 I Don't Agree With What I Posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinnacle Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 Just now, PortaJohn said: Yes, that's how the formula works. They also have the same winning % and Ramirez has a conference championship. He'll score higher on the formula Agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortaJohn Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 (edited) Unless the formula has changed here's a breakdown between Carr & Ramirez so I could be wrong on ranking Ramirez higher...Based on last Coaches Poll & RPI Carr | Ramirez Head-to-head competition — 25 percent 0 | 25 Quality wins — 20 percent ? | ? Coaches Ranking — 15 percent 15 | 0 Results against common opponents — 10 percent 10 | 0 RPI — 10 percent 10 | 0 Qualifying event placement — 10 percent 0 | 10 Win % — 10 percent 5 | 5 Edited March 11 by PortaJohn I Don't Agree With What I Posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Elite Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortaJohn Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 8 minutes ago, Ohio Elite said: Posted that almost immediately after this thread popped up...what a coincidence 1 1 I Don't Agree With What I Posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threadkilla Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 1 minute ago, PortaJohn said: Posted that almost immediately after this thread popped up...what a coincidence They don'r gatther any information or get any ideas from the board. They are pros. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threadkilla Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 16 minutes ago, Threadkilla said: They don'r gatther any information or get any ideas from the board. They are pros. Just so you know, this what they call sarcasm 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrestle87 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 What we have said here and hoped for here is all the way it approximately should go. Realistically though, they could pull garbage out of their buttholes the way they have so many times in the past, and the EIWA guy (Ramirez), could even get put behind Caliendo. Seeding rooms get veeeery weird. I’m not saying it’s what should happen, but, to quote young frankenstein, we are suspicious… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killdozer Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 Carr may catch Ramirez with Quality wins (using Coaches Rankings) Carr wins vs. Wrestlers in the field. (or ranked but not yet qualified) In the Field: #4 Hamiti (wis), #6 Caliendo (Iowa) , #7 Olejnik (Ok State) , #8 Hall *WV) (2x), #11 Amine (Mich), #22 MIller (App St), #25 Garvin (stanford), Thomsen (UNI) Ranked but need an at large: #12 Thompson (Ohio), #16 Heller (Pitt) Ramirez wins vs. Wrestlers in the field (or ranked but not yet qualified) In the Field: #2 Carr, #17 Cerniglia (Navy), #20 Brady (VT), #25 Garvin (Stanford), #31 Logan (Lehigh), Ranked but need an at large: #14 Hepner (Ohio St), #16 Heller (Pitt), #18 Fields (NCST), #19 Mulvaney (Bucknell), So depending on who gets in Carr could win the quality wins portion. Which would give him the seed. Ranked wrestlers needing an at large (there are 5 spots) #9 Fish, Michigan State #12 Thompson Ohio #14 Hepner Ohio St #16 Heller Pitt #18 Fields NC State #19 Mulvaney, Bucknell #29 Carlson Oklahoma #32 Chance McLane, Arizona State #33 Cody Walsh, Drexel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NM1965 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 1) KOT 2)Mesenbrink 3) Carr 4) Hamiti 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSULou64 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 39 minutes ago, NM1965 said: 1) KOT 2)Mesenbrink 3) Carr 4) Hamiti You could argue Carr at #3 vs Ramirez but I think in the end Ramirez edges him. Having Hamiti ranked above Ramirez is a non starter though. I didn't see the path at all to that argument. My guess is: O'Toole MM Ramirez Carr Hamiti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogbone Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 I think we will see an KOT/Carr semifinal unless the committee intervenes to separate them. It would be inconsistent from how they seed other brackets, but could happen as consistency and NCAA wrestling brackets usually are not used in the same sentence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 So Ramirez actually gets punished for beating Carr, if the committe intervenes and puts Carr at the #3. 1 1 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NM1965 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 46 minutes ago, PSULou64 said: You could argue Carr at #3 vs Ramirez but I think in the end Ramirez edges him. Having Hamiti ranked above Ramirez is a non starter though. I didn't see the path at all to that argument. My guess is: O'Toole MM Ramirez Carr Hamiti Why not see Hamiti over Ramirez? Hamiti has a better record and was more dominant in his wins, plus Hamiti wrestled a tougher schedule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortaJohn Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 12 minutes ago, NM1965 said: Why not see Hamiti over Ramirez? Hamiti has a better record and was more dominant in his wins, plus Hamiti wrestled a tougher schedule. Ramirez has a conference title and in common opponent (Carr) Ramirez edges Hamiti I Don't Agree With What I Posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NM1965 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 10 minutes ago, PortaJohn said: Ramirez has a conference title and in common opponent (Carr) Ramirez edges Hamiti Ramirez wouldn't have a conference title if Mesenbrink was in his conference. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortaJohn Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 Just now, NM1965 said: Ramirez wouldn't have a conference title if Mesenbrink was in his conference. That's irrelevant to seeding I Don't Agree With What I Posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul158 Posted March 12 Author Share Posted March 12 8 hours ago, NM1965 said: Ramirez wouldn't have a conference title if Mesenbrink was in his conference. Or O'Toole 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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