lu_alum Posted January 28 Posted January 28 1 hour ago, jackwebster said: I'm not looking down thread first, so here goes: Epperly McKee Sheets? First names are necessary for what you've listed. If you mean Zach Epperly (lost initial bout and placed 3rd on 2016), he "only" won seven bouts. Same for Patrick McKee - he won his initial bout, lost in 2nd round, and then won six straight to place third, for a total of seven wins. To win eight bouts in a bracketed tourney... you need a pigtail to get the extra bout. Look for 3rd place winners who had a pigtail AND lost in either R1 or R2 to eventually place third. There were some years that the NCAA championship was also an Olympic trial event, and they used round-robin bracketing.
lu_alum Posted January 28 Posted January 28 Found my first guy: Larry Quinsel (Boise State), 1999 @ 157. Lost in R1, dropped in consolation pigtail and ran eight straight to place 3rd. Still digging for others. 2
lu_alum Posted January 28 Posted January 28 I couldn't find any others. Checked every bracket from 1996 onward. I started at 1996, as this was the first year that a full double-elimination structure was implemented with complete consolations. This is key to getting to eight wins because, as I posted earlier, the only way to winning additional bouts are: Winning a pigtail (either in the topside or consolation) Lose a bout in championship R1 or R2 (this gives you an extra bout in R2 consolations) Win the R12 bout in the consolation Win the consolation semi-final. If you do all of those, you pick up an extra 4 bouts beyond the typical five bout a champion wins. That make nine total bout -- the 3rd place finisher ends up 8-1 for the tourney. The only guy I've seen that has done this was Quisel. Again, it may have been possible in one of the early tourneys that was structured as a round-robin (see 1936 and 1948).
Wrestleknownothing Posted January 28 Posted January 28 18 minutes ago, lu_alum said: I couldn't find any others. Checked every bracket from 1996 onward. I started at 1996, as this was the first year that a full double-elimination structure was implemented with complete consolations. This is key to getting to eight wins because, as I posted earlier, the only way to winning additional bouts are: Winning a pigtail (either in the topside or consolation) Lose a bout in championship R1 or R2 (this gives you an extra bout in R2 consolations) Win the R12 bout in the consolation Win the consolation semi-final. If you do all of those, you pick up an extra 4 bouts beyond the typical five bout a champion wins. That make nine total bout -- the 3rd place finisher ends up 8-1 for the tourney. The only guy I've seen that has done this was Quisel. Again, it may have been possible in one of the early tourneys that was structured as a round-robin (see 1936 and 1948). You have to go back further than 1996 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge
KCMO2 Posted January 28 Posted January 28 43 minutes ago, lu_alum said: Found my first guy: Larry Quinsel (Boise State), 1999 @ 157. Lost in R1, dropped in consolation pigtail and ran eight straight to place 3rd. Still digging for others. The answers are on page 1
Wrestleknownothing Posted January 28 Posted January 28 30 minutes ago, lu_alum said: I couldn't find any others. Checked every bracket from 1996 onward. I started at 1996, as this was the first year that a full double-elimination structure was implemented with complete consolations. This is key to getting to eight wins because, as I posted earlier, the only way to winning additional bouts are: Winning a pigtail (either in the topside or consolation) Lose a bout in championship R1 or R2 (this gives you an extra bout in R2 consolations) Win the R12 bout in the consolation Win the consolation semi-final. If you do all of those, you pick up an extra 4 bouts beyond the typical five bout a champion wins. That make nine total bout -- the 3rd place finisher ends up 8-1 for the tourney. The only guy I've seen that has done this was Quisel. Again, it may have been possible in one of the early tourneys that was structured as a round-robin (see 1936 and 1948). Prior to 1996 you could win a championship pigtail, win a round of 32, lose a round of 16, and get 9 matches. Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge
lu_alum Posted January 28 Posted January 28 2 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said: Prior to 1996 you could win a championship pigtail, win a round of 32, lose a round of 16, and get 9 matches. Not true. Prior to 1996, you had to be pulled into the consolation by losing to a quarter-finalist. The was no drop into the consolation bracket for the R2 losers. Here is a 1995 and 1996 bracket comparison. As you can see, by introducing complete wrestlebacks in 1996, an extra round was added to the consolation bracket.
lu_alum Posted January 28 Posted January 28 Just looked at Voelker. In his case, he won a pigtail and R1 bout prior to losing in R2. That put him in a spot to run six bouts to place 3rd. I stand corrected. 2
Wrestleknownothing Posted January 28 Posted January 28 31 minutes ago, lu_alum said: Just looked at Voelker. In his case, he won a pigtail and R1 bout prior to losing in R2. That put him in a spot to run six bouts to place 3rd. I stand corrected. well done Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge
cowcards Posted January 28 Author Posted January 28 19 hours ago, cowcards said: It's not often that a #1 seed doesn't win a match, it's only happened 12x by my count. But one year 2 of them did. What year was it and who were they? Answer: 1972 126 Oklahoma State Yoshiro Fujita 177 Ohio Russ Johnson
cowcards Posted January 28 Author Posted January 28 New question for the day: Wrestling is an international sport with at least 13 countries (by hometown) having wrestlers who have earned AA honors: An example would be Lachlan McNeil with Toronto is listed as his hometown even though he went to Wyoming Seminary in PA. Name those countries (bonus points for naming any).
PortaJohn Posted January 29 Posted January 29 55 minutes ago, cowcards said: New question for the day: Wrestling is an international sport with at least 13 countries (by hometown) having wrestlers who have earned AA honors: An example would be Lachlan McNeil with Toronto is listed as his hometown even though he went to Wyoming Seminary in PA. Name those countries (bonus points for naming any). Japan, Cuba, Uzbekistan, Canada, Russia, Mongolia, Iran, Germany, Hungary, South Africa, 1 I Don't Agree With What I Posted
jchapman Posted January 29 Posted January 29 United Kingdom (Great Britain, England) Craig Henning got screwed in the 2007 NCAA Finals.
PortaJohn Posted January 29 Posted January 29 (edited) Was Mike Amine born in Lebanon prior to his dad moving the family? Edited January 29 by PortaJohn I Don't Agree With What I Posted
jchapman Posted January 29 Posted January 29 8 minutes ago, PortaJohn said: Was Mike Amine born in Lebanon prior to his dad moving the family? I believe Mike was born in Michigan, his dad immigrated. 2 Craig Henning got screwed in the 2007 NCAA Finals.
cowcards Posted January 29 Author Posted January 29 2 hours ago, gimpeltf said: Fujita was injured. Correct.
cowcards Posted January 29 Author Posted January 29 1 hour ago, PortaJohn said: Japan, Cuba, Uzbekistan, Canada, Russia, Mongolia, Iran, Germany, Hungary, South Africa, You got all but 2!
PortaJohn Posted January 29 Posted January 29 (edited) 45 minutes ago, cowcards said: You got all but 2! Forgot Borislav Novachkov from Bulgaria. Can't figure out who I'm missing Edited January 29 by PortaJohn 1 I Don't Agree With What I Posted
PortaJohn Posted January 29 Posted January 29 (edited) 51 minutes ago, cowcards said: You got all but 2! 6 minutes ago, PortaJohn said: Forgot Borislav Novachkov from Bulgaria. Can't figure out who I'm missing Never mind. It's Franklin Gomez Dominican Republic. Lol, forgot the one guy who's a part of NLWC Edited January 29 by PortaJohn 1 I Don't Agree With What I Posted
Wrestleknownothing Posted January 29 Posted January 29 15 minutes ago, PortaJohn said: Never mind. It's Franklin Gomez Dominican Republic. Lol, forgot the one guy who's a part of NLWC Dude knows his shit. 2 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge
cowcards Posted January 29 Author Posted January 29 You're not wrong, but both list their hometown as in the US. Though I think Gomez would list PR instead of DR since he spent the majority of his life there. Novachkov - https://gopoly.com/sports/wrestling/roster/boris-novachkov/4419 Gomez - https://msuspartans.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=6270 Either way, there are a couple others out there.
cowcards Posted January 29 Author Posted January 29 The last 2 countries I was looking for was Iraq and Turkey. You have to go all the way back to the 50s for those. New question - Since 1967, how many unseeded wrestlers have won a National Title?
cowcards Posted January 30 Author Posted January 30 On 1/29/2024 at 4:32 PM, cowcards said: The last 2 countries I was looking for was Iraq and Turkey. You have to go all the way back to the 50s for those. New question - Since 1967, how many unseeded wrestlers have won a National Title? The answer was 9. More than I would've thought. Next question - What high school has the most National Champs?? Bonus point if you can name when the last one was.
lu_alum Posted January 31 Posted January 31 (edited) 2 hours ago, cowcards said: The answer was 9. More than I would've thought. Next question - What high school has the most National Champs?? Bonus point if you can name when the last one was. Tulsa Central HS. Eleven champs. Mickey Martin (TCHS class of 1959 & son of Wayne Martin) was the last TCHS graduate to win NCAA titles in 1962 and 1963 (OW). Mickey and Wayne are the only father-son duo to win OW awards. Edited January 31 by lu_alum
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