Your best wrestling story

[Threadkilla]

Personal or otherwise.  Could be anything.  The one that sticks out to me is Iowa's Randy Lewis talking about the time he wrestled Dave Shultz in practive.   

I know many  of you have read or heard this story. but it is awesome.  Randy lewis used to post on thematforums under the moniker Lewboo 

This is an epic post from the USA Wrestling forum by Randy Lewis about the late great Olympic and World Champ Dave Schultz. 

 
Lewis himself was a 1984 Olympic Wrestling Champion and an all time great. 

Dave Schultz couldn't turn me

Postby lewboo » Fri Jan 31, 2014 3:33 pm
With the Dave Schultz tournament going on this weekend, and my good friend Royce Alger telling his story about his first workout with Dave Schultz on Facebook, I thought it would be appropriate to tell my story of my first and ONLY workout with the great Dave Schultz. Dave was a great friend of mine, and we were teammates many times and were at training camps together many times, but I only got on the mat with him one time, for a total of just one minute. I would often roll around with bigger wrestlers in practice, but I was always afraid to wrestle Dave Schultz. Dave was the nicest guy in the world off the mat, but I knew that on the mat he was a different animal. I had seen enough of Dave Schultz in matches and in practice to know that on the mat he was as Stephen A Smith would say “A BAD MAN!!!”
I always felt like if I were to wrestle him, I would be unable to protect myself. It turns out I was correct!!! I remember one time at the 1984 Olympic training camp and Dave didn’t have a partner and he asked me if I wanted to roll around a little. I said “Dave, I am not ever going to wrestle with you until I am retired! I don’t want to get hurt!” One year later, I had temporarily retired, and I was at a world team practice and guys were switching partners, and Dave said to me “Lewboo, now that you are retired you want to roll with me?” I said “Not really but I will for a little bit.” Just as I got paired up with Dave, coach Jim Humphries, who was running the practice announced, “1 minute periods, par terre, world team member on top!” I thought, really, one minute underneath Dave Schultz, that doesn’t sound very fun! Well, it took about 15 seconds for Dave to get my right foot placed up over my left ear, bending my body in a very painful way! My knee, my hip, my back, my neck, and my shoulder were all being wrenched at the same time! Pain was shooting through my entire body, and I was trying to roll over onto my back as fast as I could! Unfortunately for me I couldn’t move! Somehow, my neck and head got twisted so that my mouth and nose were stuck in the mat, and I couldn’t breathe. Not only was my body in severe pain, but now I was also suffocating, and I couldn’t reach Dave with either of my hands to tap out. My body somehow got stuck in a position where I couldn’t roll over, and Dave kept cranking harder and harder to try and turn me. I was stuck in this position for about 45 seconds, in severe pain and suffocating, unable to turn over and just as I started to black out, coach Humphries saved my LIFE by blowing the whistle. Dave let me go, and I rolled over onto my back, sobbing uncontrollably, and hyperventilating trying to catch my breath. Dave looked at me and said, wow, I can’t believe you didn’t turn over, I was really cranking hard. I said I was trying as hard as I could to turn over, but I couldn’t. I cried like a baby for about 5 minutes straight after that, and I never wrestled with Dave Schultz again. I have told this story to many other wrestlers when they ask me about Dave, and I follow it up by saying yeah, Dave was pretty good on top, but he couldn’t turn me! Writing this brings tears to my eyes and I and the wrestling world miss Dave so much, he was such a great person and such a great wrestler

Edited June 5, 2023 by Threadkilla

[Threadkilla]

This is by far my favorite post I have ever read on the wrestling boards for the last 20 years.  I laugh every time I read it.  

[11986]

link to some other good stuff from Randy Lewis

 

The House of Seven Gables - College and International Wrestling - IndianaMat

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

9 hours ago, Threadkilla said:

Personal or otherwise.  Could be anything.  The one that sticks out to me is Iowa's Randy Lewis talking about the time he wrestled Dave Shultz in practive.   

I know many  of you have read or heard this story. but it is awesome.  Randy lewis used to post on thematforums under the moniker Lewboo 

This is an epic post from the USA Wrestling forum by Randy Lewis about the late great Olympic and World Champ Dave Schultz. 

 
Lewis himself was a 1984 Olympic Wrestling Champion and an all time great. 

Dave Schultz couldn't turn me

Postby lewboo » Fri Jan 31, 2014 3:33 pm
With the Dave Schultz tournament going on this weekend, and my good friend Royce Alger telling his story about his first workout with Dave Schultz on Facebook, I thought it would be appropriate to tell my story of my first and ONLY workout with the great Dave Schultz. Dave was a great friend of mine, and we were teammates many times and were at training camps together many times, but I only got on the mat with him one time, for a total of just one minute. I would often roll around with bigger wrestlers in practice, but I was always afraid to wrestle Dave Schultz. Dave was the nicest guy in the world off the mat, but I knew that on the mat he was a different animal. I had seen enough of Dave Schultz in matches and in practice to know that on the mat he was as Stephen A Smith would say “A BAD MAN!!!”
I always felt like if I were to wrestle him, I would be unable to protect myself. It turns out I was correct!!! I remember one time at the 1984 Olympic training camp and Dave didn’t have a partner and he asked me if I wanted to roll around a little. I said “Dave, I am not ever going to wrestle with you until I am retired! I don’t want to get hurt!” One year later, I had temporarily retired, and I was at a world team practice and guys were switching partners, and Dave said to me “Lewboo, now that you are retired you want to roll with me?” I said “Not really but I will for a little bit.” Just as I got paired up with Dave, coach Jim Humphries, who was running the practice announced, “1 minute periods, par terre, world team member on top!” I thought, really, one minute underneath Dave Schultz, that doesn’t sound very fun! Well, it took about 15 seconds for Dave to get my right foot placed up over my left ear, bending my body in a very painful way! My knee, my hip, my back, my neck, and my shoulder were all being wrenched at the same time! Pain was shooting through my entire body, and I was trying to roll over onto my back as fast as I could! Unfortunately for me I couldn’t move! Somehow, my neck and head got twisted so that my mouth and nose were stuck in the mat, and I couldn’t breathe. Not only was my body in severe pain, but now I was also suffocating, and I couldn’t reach Dave with either of my hands to tap out. My body somehow got stuck in a position where I couldn’t roll over, and Dave kept cranking harder and harder to try and turn me. I was stuck in this position for about 45 seconds, in severe pain and suffocating, unable to turn over and just as I started to black out, coach Humphries saved my LIFE by blowing the whistle. Dave let me go, and I rolled over onto my back, sobbing uncontrollably, and hyperventilating trying to catch my breath. Dave looked at me and said, wow, I can’t believe you didn’t turn over, I was really cranking hard. I said I was trying as hard as I could to turn over, but I couldn’t. I cried like a baby for about 5 minutes straight after that, and I never wrestled with Dave Schultz again. I have told this story to many other wrestlers when they ask me about Dave, and I follow it up by saying yeah, Dave was pretty good on top, but he couldn’t turn me! Writing this brings tears to my eyes and I and the wrestling world miss Dave so much, he was such a great person and such a great wrestler

The late, great Brother Morris Johnson also had a similarly great story about being in Dave Schultz's bent leg turk.

[11986]

12 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

The late, great Brother Morris Johnson also had a similarly great story about being in Dave Schultz's bent leg turk.

yes, Brother Morris RIP shared some great stories

[Threadkilla]

14 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

The late, great Brother Morris Johnson also had a similarly great story about being in Dave Schultz's bent leg turk.

I remember Morris on the boards.  He always had great stories.  I'd like to hear his Dave Schultz story. 

[11986]

Todd Tarpley put together a blog of his experiences wrestling for the Hawkeye Wrestling Club. Some good stuff in here.

https://wrestlingforgable.blogspot.com/

an excerpt from one of the posts, on what it was like wrestling with the young Brands brothers. 

Terry is the tougher of the two, at least from my vantage point. He is a 118 pounder, and Tom is 126, but Tom makes more mistakes.

I typically go 50-50 with either of them for the first 20 minutes of wrestling. But they don't get tired. They will almost get your leg, and almost get your leg, and almost get your leg, and eventually they'll get your leg. Then they'll get it again. And again. And again.

It is highly annoying.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

7 minutes ago, Threadkilla said:

I remember Morris on the boards.  He always had great stories.  I'd like to hear his Dave Schultz story. 

It would be great if someone copied them from the old board!

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

1 minute ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

It would be great if someone copied them from the old board!

Found it!

Brother Morris:

"Two of the most important contributors to whatever success I had in wrestling were my HS Coach Gary Kreizenbeck at Sacramento H.S. and Dave Schultz, primary citizen of the wrestling universe...

"Since most of our guys were first-year wrestlers, and most of our tournaments were 0-2 and bar-b-que, Coach K worried that we were getting knocked out so fast that we never had a chance to watch really good wrestlers compete, so he made a rule that we had to stay at the tourney until he said we could leave, which usually wasn't until after our weight class finals. This was great as we got to see a lot of guys whom we would never get to observe unless we were wrestling against them. Even then it was hard to really observe someone who was headlocking you into oblivion, or blast doubling you across two mats! I was lucky enough to be able to watch Dave Schultz on occasion and it was truly a learning session, each and every match. Seeing how he made up for a seeming lack of strength by applying excruciating leverage to one particular joint, and never letting up on that joint until the guy either turned over or the body part turned purple and fell off! Just watching Dave taught me that one of the major aspects of the sport is to impose your will, not just on your opponent, but on the body part of your opponent that you wished to claim as your own. Even if you weren't the strongest guy in the world, you could pretty much overpower any body part of your opponent with focus, determination and a clear idea of where and why you want that part to go in a certain direction. This was a true revelation to me and introduced the concept of FOCUS into my wrestling ideology, something I never forgot.

" ... I had been so very fortunate to have been able to watch Dave several dozen times over the years and even practice with him once or twice. I was a better wrestler by now, having won a Jr. World medal, made a world university team as well as US teams to Cuba, Romania and Germany. My folkstyle was getting a little stronger too, as I placed at the Midlands and had taken 2nd at the D2 nationals, with a generous portion of what I knew and used coming from those observations of and the rare but valuable private coaching sessions (in exchange for being the willing recipient of Dave's artful mayhem).

"There was one story that I have shared here before, but will again at the risk of being redundant.

This story took place during my senior year, while I was wrestling as a heavyweight at San Francisco State. We had a home dual meet against Stanford University, where Dave was the assistant coach. As I mentioned earlier, I was a D2 runner-up at heavyweight and ranked in the top 4 or 5 at heavyweight in AWN. I was also 2nd on the Olympic Greco ladder for the upcoming Olympic Trials that coming spring/summer. Dave had been doing ok himself, having just won his first world championship and had placed 3rd at 180.5 the previous year. I was not aware that prior to the match, Coach Chris Horpel of Stanford and Dave had gotten together with my coach and informed him that they had no heavyweight and would have to forfeit our match. Dave came up with the idea of he and I having a freestyle exhibition match that they could bill as 'Battle of future Olympians' or some such. My coach agreed with the idea, but, thinking that he had a sense of humor, told Dave and Chris not to mention anything to me about it until we went out to shake hands! Coach then came over to me and said that Stanford had this great new transfer from Oregon, but he had to weigh in earlier in the afternoon because of a big final that he had to take. He was driving up with one of the assistant coaches and would definitely be there by match time, so I should stay warm and get ready for a war! Well, that got me juiced up and I went around the gym, stretching and shooting and hitting fake throws and such. I noticed Schultz in sweats, riding a stationary bike on his team's side, but I thought 'that's just Schultz. He's always warming up in sweats and wrestling shoes!' By the time the 165-pounder went out, there was still no Stanford beast, so I ambled back over to Coach and asked what the story was. He said they had just called in from a gas station and were about 20 min. away, so make sure I was warm he said, giving me a stern look. Finally the 190 pounders were out shaking hands. I noticed that Dave had removed his sweats and was just stretching on the floor with one of his Stanford boys. I kept looking around the room, but didn't see anybody who looked like a heavyweight. The 190 match ended quickly with a fall, I stripped down, thinking that I had figured it out ... I was getting a forfeit!

"Ha! I walked out onto the mat and here comes Dave at the same time. Odd. The PA guy was also announcing our international and national records too, which was real odd for a dual meet! What the heck? I looked back and my coach and teammates were laughing their heads off, as was the Stanford coaches and our AD. I smiled at Dave, and with only a bit of cracking in my voice said 'Hey man, you wouldn't be the transfer from Oregon would you?' Dave just smiled some more and said 'Let's have some fun, Morris. Show these guys what freestyle is all about.' :shock: . We shook hands and, as with most matches, the fear was quickly replaced by adrenalin. Dave took a quick outside single. I thought, 'Bad move man.' I clamped down on a hard whizzer and prepared to hit him with my famous double over, hip toss. Somehow though, instead of my heel and calf catching his knee and thigh, sending him flying over my hip, Dave took a little step backwards and around to his right. The next thing I recall was my head, back and shoulders all hitting the mat at approximately the same time, with pretty remarkable force! After the ringing in my ears started to dissipate, to be replaced by the 'oooohhhhs' and 'aaahhhhhs' punctuated with the occasional 'Oh my God!' or girlish scream. I checked my mouth to make sure that the girlish scream wasn't coming from my mouth, but it was pretty much locked shut from shock and awe! Dave hopped on top right away and I braced myself in my best gut wrench defense! I guess it was so good that Dave didn't want to even try and turn me with it, so he reached back and grabbed my left foot with his right hand. He cranked it up and over my shoulder with so much force, I really didn't feel much pain ... .until he crossfaced me with his left arm and drove my face from the mat to my right shoulder. I managed to open one eye and looked to my right side (Mr. Schultz didn't want me to look at my left side, and I thought it best to cooperate with his wishes from that point on. I noticed Dave's wrestling shoes and I recall thinking "Oh wow, Dave and I wear the same kind of wrestling shoes! It took a few minutes before I realized that I was looking at my own foot, planted nicely right next to my face! Well, at least I knew were to look for it after the match! Luckily for me, our AD was officiating this match as it was an exhibition. We went a few more minutes, with my AD stopping the match several times for potentially dangerous (I was wondering why he didn't do this right after the handshake!

"Time [FINALLY] ran out. I stayed until Dave's hand was raised and started walking off the mat, looking for the nearest ice machine to crawl into! It was my first and only collegiate loss at my home gym, and I was too sore to even whisper the word 'bummer!', much less say it out loud in front of Dave. Before I could step off the mat however, I felt this hairy, sinewy arm wrap itself around my neck and shoulders and who else but Dave Schultz was escorting me off the mat. And just like the Dave Schultz we all know and LOVE, he sat down next to me and told me I did a good job out there, and that I just need work on defending the single leg, and a better way to keep my balance on my once famous hip toss, and how he expected me to dominate at D2 nationals (I did) and the Olympic trials (took 3rd) so that he can say he had a close one against a CHAMPION, not some scrub that just fell off the onion truck! That was Dave. Who else could beat you like a rented mule and leave you feeling like you were just a move or two away? Who else could pound your head on the mat and reframe it into a small mistake that you make on your way to a potent offense? No one but Dave Schultz. We miss you man. Miss you and love you and for many, many, many of us, you are still just a heartbeat away."

https://intermatwrestle.com/articles/16308

[Threadkilla]

11 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Found it!

Brother Morris:

 

https://intermatwrestle.com/articles/16308

That's awesome.  Thanks for finding it.  

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

We need more of these! Like someone has to know the story of Rob Waller Sr. knocking out 8th grade Jason Nolf at camp!

[Threadkilla]

2 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

We need more of these! Like someone has to know the story of Rob Waller Sr. knocking out 8th grade Jason Nolf at camp!

I'd be interested in hearing that as well.   My Nephew and a couple of his teammates used to go to Coach Wallers summer camps.  

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

Just now, Threadkilla said:

I'd be interested in hearing that as well.   My Nephew and a couple of his teammates used to go to Coach Wallers summer camps.  

He told the story on a recent podcast.  Askren recently alluded to it, also.  Someone has to know it better than me.

[MadMardigain]

As this thread slows down hopefully someone notices and is able to sort this by event or person and add it to the Legends of the Mat forum.  These type of stories that his what  led to its original creation on the mat.com and definitely belong there. 

Edited June 6, 2023 by MadMardigain

[Threadkilla]

8 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

He told the story on a recent podcast.  Askren recently alluded to it, also.  Someone has to know it better than me.

Nolf had a great podcast explaing his trip to Russia with Kyle Snyder and how they were escorted around by Sadulaev and the Dagestani's.  

 

Edited June 6, 2023 by Threadkilla

[Threadkilla]

The Russia trip starts at 28.00 ish

Edited June 6, 2023 by Threadkilla

[Threadkilla]

26 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

He told the story on a recent podcast.  Askren recently alluded to it, also.  Someone has to know it better than me.

Here is coach Waller talling about popping Nolf.   Waller is an absolute nut.  Always been super high energy.  

 

[Threadkilla]

I was shopping in the produce section of WalMart on Atherton Street in State College in 2010, my buddy was off somewhere else in the store.  it was after a Penn State Dual and I was wearing a Penn State Wrestling shirt. 

A voice from about 20 feet away says "You are a Penn State Wrestling Fan Huh?"    I turned around and there was this shorter fella with a suit on and his wife behind him.  I said yeah,   I've been a season ticket holder since before it was popular,  I asked him if he was at the match.   His Wife starts busting up laughing and says "He's the coach" LOL  I was like oh shit Cody Sanderson.. We both got a good chuckle out of it and he stood and talked to me for about 10  minutes.  Great guy. 

I meet up with my buddy about 10 minutes later and told him I just talked to Cody Sanderson in Produce.   He didn't believe me at first.   

Edited June 6, 2023 by Threadkilla

[PhuckinBS]

I was wrestling freestyle for the first time ever. Jr club duals in state college back when it was good. Our teams first match was against a bunch of guys in pink fish t shirts and chicken hats(IYKYK). We were getting smoked pretty bad but holding our own and as it drew closer to my match I spotted my guy. It was the one I had been hoping for. Smiling pretty boy goofy as hell seemingly just there for a good time. I shook his hand and 30 seconds later I was walking back to my bench. His name: Jake Herbert.

I later took beatings from Keith Gavin, Jared Ricotta, and Kyle Cathcart that day. Quite the intro to the style where guys are allowed to slam you.

[flyingcement]

Anyone here ever attend the TCNJ wrestling camps in the late 90s/early 2000s held by Dave Icenhower (RIP)?  I have some stories from those camps - mostly NSFW

Edited June 7, 2023 by flyingcement

[Threadkilla]

58 minutes ago, PhuckinBS said:

I was wrestling freestyle for the first time ever. Jr club duals in state college back when it was good. Our teams first match was against a bunch of guys in pink fish t shirts and chicken hats(IYKYK). We were getting smoked pretty bad but holding our own and as it drew closer to my match I spotted my guy. It was the one I had been hoping for. Smiling pretty boy goofy as hell seemingly just there for a good time. I shook his hand and 30 seconds later I was walking back to my bench. His name: Jake Herbert.

I later took beatings from Keith Gavin, Jared Ricotta, and Kyle Cathcart that day. Quite the intro to the style where guys are allowed to slam you.

The Angry fish is gonna bite you.   Great club back in the day.   Ray Brinzer and the Late great Ty Moore owned it I believe.  They put out some studs.  Coleman Scott was also in the club.  Thanks for sharing. 

 

Edited June 7, 2023 by Threadkilla

[Threadkilla]

41 minutes ago, flyingcement said:

Anyone here ever attend the TCNJ wrestling camps in the late 90s/early 2000s held by Dave Icenhower (RIP)?  I have some stories from those camps - mostly NSFW

This isn't work This is for entertainment purposes only according to FRL.   

[flyingcement]

2 hours ago, Threadkilla said:

This isn't work This is for entertainment purposes only according to FRL.   

I was one of three 8th graders on the team for the first year of camp.

Highlights included:

1) Being forced to do chewing tobacco (skoal)

2) lots of bathroom-themed hazing.  The three 8th graders were due to face the harshest penalties.  My roommate had it worst.  Our 215 lber dropped a deuce in the toilet, and they gave my poor roommate a dirty swirly.  For me, they had something similar in mind.  I resisted in such an extreme manner.  I was trying to punch and kick anyone who tried.  They had me up in the air.  I kicked our 112 lber in the head, they all dropped me on my hip and got a nasty contusion.  Anyway I avoided something worse.

3. Kids from Brick Memorial bragged about doing far worse to a freshman on their team.  I won't go into details but it was something that if true, would justify murder as a response.  And it involved a Snapple bottle.

 

Edited June 7, 2023 by flyingcement

[BuckyBadger]

6 hours ago, flyingcement said:

I was one of three 8th graders on the team for the first year of camp.

Highlights included:

1) Being forced to do chewing tobacco (skoal)

2) lots of bathroom-themed hazing.  The three 8th graders were due to face the harshest penalties.  My roommate had it worst.  Our 215 lber dropped a deuce in the toilet, and they gave my poor roommate a dirty swirly.  For me, they had something similar in mind.  I resisted in such an extreme manner.  I was trying to punch and kick anyone who tried.  They had me up in the air.  I kicked our 112 lber in the head, they all dropped me on my hip and got a nasty contusion.  Anyway I avoided something worse.

3. Kids from Brick Memorial bragged about doing far worse to a freshman on their team.  I won't go into details but it was something that if true, would justify murder as a response.  And it involved a Snapple bottle.

 

I thought we are posting best, not worst wrestling stories.

[scourge165]

6 hours ago, flyingcement said:

I was one of three 8th graders on the team for the first year of camp.

Highlights included:

1) Being forced to do chewing tobacco (skoal)

2) lots of bathroom-themed hazing.  The three 8th graders were due to face the harshest penalties.  My roommate had it worst.  Our 215 lber dropped a deuce in the toilet, and they gave my poor roommate a dirty swirly.  For me, they had something similar in mind.  I resisted in such an extreme manner.  I was trying to punch and kick anyone who tried.  They had me up in the air.  I kicked our 112 lber in the head, they all dropped me on my hip and got a nasty contusion.  Anyway I avoided something worse.

3. Kids from Brick Memorial bragged about doing far worse to a freshman on their team.  I won't go into details but it was something that if true, would justify murder as a response.  And it involved a Snapple bottle.

 

Ooof...yeah, kicking, biting, aiming at the balls, you fight like a feral badger at that point if you need to...