forkemaz Posted March 27 Posted March 27 (edited) They have no faith in wrestling standing on its own. No self respecting sports league would have booked Arman vs Georgio 2. In all leagues, that aren't money grab garbage, competitiors who disregard the rules and act unsportsmanlike to the point of brawling are suspended, banned, or fined. Rewarding them with a main event is disgusting. On top of that it's so incredible transparently not about wrestling. The match is booked for one single click bait reason. It's NOT a title rematch, it's NOT for a number 1 contender slot (as far as I can tell RAF doesn't even have rankings, more proof it's just slop and not a sport a league), the match itself was not controversial (the right guy won). It's booked solely for the "will they won't they" throw hands again after the whistle. It flys in the face of everything wrestling stands for. On top of that, the co main is two washed up loud mouths one of which is not a wrestler. Imagine booking these two matches and touting them over Dake vs Keck and Snyder for Taz... Willie also floated wanting Brooks the cheater in the league. It's just a gross joke top to bottom. I hope Willie, Bishoff cookie, Askren, and the others involved see this. They can clutch their pearls and pretend they're trying to grow wrestling while dragging it through the mud with this pure crap style booking for money. And what's crazy is they have been a saying how RAF is exceeding expectations since like the second or third show. Which if that's true why stoop to this kind of cash grab off bad behavior? Why not focus on good wrestling if you were finding success with it? Thank you for your attention to this matter. Edited March 27 by forkemaz Typos 7 7
Rassling Posted March 27 Posted March 27 14 minutes ago, forkemaz said: They have no faith in wrestling standing on its own. No self respecting sports league would have booked Arman vs Georgio 2. In all leagues, that aren't money grab garbage, competitiors who disregard the rules and act unsportsmanlike to the point of brawling are suspended, banned, or fined. Rewarding them with a main event is disgusting. On top of that it's so incredible transparently not about wrestling. The match is booked for one single click bait reason. It's NOT a title rematch, it's NOT for a number 1 contender slot (as far as I can tell RAF doesn't even have rankings, more proof it's just slop and not a sport a league), the match itself was not controversial (the right guy won). It's booked solely for the "will they won't they" throw hands again after the whistle. It flys in the face of everything wrestling stands for. On top of that, the co main is two washed up loud mouths one of which is not a wrestler. Imagine booking these two matches and touting them over Dake vs Keck and Snyder for Taz... Willie also floated wanting Brooks the cheater in the league. It's just a gross joke top to bottom. I hope Willie, Bishoff cookie, Askren, and the others involved see this. They can clutch their pearls and pretend they're trying to grow wrestling while dragging it through the mud with this pure crap style booking for money. And what's crazy is they have been a saying how RAF is exceeding expectations since like the second or third show. Which if that's true why stoop to this kind of cash grab off bad behavior? Why not focus on good wrestling if you were finding success with it? Thank you for your attention to this matter. Wow forkamez, appreciate your passion about this. I don’t really follow RAF and now I certainly won’t. 1
1032004 Posted March 27 Posted March 27 1 hour ago, forkemaz said: They have no faith in wrestling standing on its own. No self respecting sports league would have booked Arman vs Georgio 2. In all leagues, that aren't money grab garbage, competitiors who disregard the rules and act unsportsmanlike to the point of brawling are suspended, banned, or fined. Rewarding them with a main event is disgusting. On top of that it's so incredible transparently not about wrestling. The match is booked for one single click bait reason. It's NOT a title rematch, it's NOT for a number 1 contender slot (as far as I can tell RAF doesn't even have rankings, more proof it's just slop and not a sport a league), the match itself was not controversial (the right guy won). It's booked solely for the "will they won't they" throw hands again after the whistle. It flys in the face of everything wrestling stands for. On top of that, the co main is two washed up loud mouths one of which is not a wrestler. Imagine booking these two matches and touting them over Dake vs Keck and Snyder for Taz... Willie also floated wanting Brooks the cheater in the league. It's just a gross joke top to bottom. I hope Willie, Bishoff cookie, Askren, and the others involved see this. They can clutch their pearls and pretend they're trying to grow wrestling while dragging it through the mud with this pure crap style booking for money. And what's crazy is they have been a saying how RAF is exceeding expectations since like the second or third show. Which if that's true why stoop to this kind of cash grab off bad behavior? Why not focus on good wrestling if you were finding success with it? Thank you for your attention to this matter. I’d be curious to see if they have stats on who is actually watching. Do casual MMA fans even want to watch washed up UFC guys wrestle? I think seeing what current UFC guys can do in wrestling is interesting, but I don’t get the appeal of the old guys. I was a little surprised by the Georgio/Arman rematch. It did seem like everyone involved didn’t want that to happen. My hope is that this one will actually be a wrestling match, but not sure if that will happen. Prior to their first match I didn’t mind seeing Georgio get some matches as he was at least a wrestler and his social media is about wrestling (although supposedly he doesn’t show the times he’s gotten taken down), but he really didn’t try to wrestle Arman at all. 3
TW8 Posted March 27 Posted March 27 They are building. Piece by piece. There are a lot of great matches too. 4
forkemaz Posted March 27 Author Posted March 27 1 hour ago, TW8 said: They are building. Piece by piece. There are a lot of great matches too. There is enough good matches to cut the BS. Stupid matches like David Carr vs Belal Muhammad is one thing. Georgio vs Arman 2 is a different level of disrespecting the sport. Spectacle and freak show is ok, leaning into unsportsmanlike violent behavior is unacceptable. Rewarding these guys is disgraceful. 2
forkemaz Posted March 27 Author Posted March 27 1 hour ago, 1032004 said: I’d be curious to see if they have stats on who is actually watching. Do casual MMA fans even want to watch washed up UFC guys wrestle? I think seeing what current UFC guys can do in wrestling is interesting, but I don’t get the appeal of the old guys. I was a little surprised by the Georgio/Arman rematch. It did seem like everyone involved didn’t want that to happen. My hope is that this one will actually be a wrestling match, but not sure if that will happen. Prior to their first match I didn’t mind seeing Georgio get some matches as he was at least a wrestler and his social media is about wrestling (although supposedly he doesn’t show the times he’s gotten taken down), but he really didn’t try to wrestle Arman at all. I don't mind old guys and mismatches or even freak shows, part of sport is spectacle. My gripe is with A) the promotion of two guys who just broke all the rules of the league B) billing non wrestlers above the best in the world C) a lack of organization such as rankings RAF is bush league BS 1
forkemaz Posted March 27 Author Posted March 27 7 minutes ago, SweetButteryLou said: RAF is awesome Who can argue with such a well thought out counter argument... you win. 2
forkemaz Posted March 27 Author Posted March 27 (edited) I was rooting for RAF. Just like im rooting for CLAW, CWA, and PWL. Im just being honest about the product. It's modern slop, it's lazy, and now it's leaning into the wrong things. When I was growing up you used to hear people talk about there being an easy way and a right way. And RAF wants to do things the easy way, even if it means rewarding shitt heads for jumping people after the whistle. Edited March 27 by forkemaz 1
Ragu Posted March 27 Posted March 27 1 hour ago, forkemaz said: I was rooting for RAF. Just like im rooting for CLAW, CWA, and PWL. Im just being honest about the product. It's modern slop, it's lazy, and now it's leaning into the wrong things. When I was growing up you used to hear people talk about there being an easy way and a right way. And RAF wants to do things the easy way, even if it means rewarding shitt heads for jumping people after the whistle. You want this league to grow and get better? They need to make money. Are they going to make money or get a lot of eyes on the product if they highlighted Nolf vs Salk? For us hardcore fans that is appealing. Arman vs Mr take me down get a $1000 gets outside eyes on their product and sport. They have a great balance of "slop" and solid matches. Cards keep getting better as well. This showing of wrestling, outside the NCAA tourney, is our best chance/opportunity to help grow the sport domestically 5 https://x.com/RaguWrestle
WrestlingRash Posted March 27 Posted March 27 you are a fool. do better. stop attacking wrestling from within. 3 1 5
SweetButteryLou Posted March 27 Posted March 27 (edited) I’d rather be able to watch a bunch of sick wrestling matchups that I would otherwise not be able to if RAF wasn’t around ….there hows that genius Edited March 27 by SweetButteryLou Spelling 4
forkemaz Posted March 27 Author Posted March 27 2 hours ago, Ragu said: You want this league to grow and get better? They need to make money. Are they going to make money or get a lot of eyes on the product if they highlighted Nolf vs Salk? For us hardcore fans that is appealing. Arman vs Mr take me down get a $1000 gets outside eyes on their product and sport. They have a great balance of "slop" and solid matches. Cards keep getting better as well. This showing of wrestling, outside the NCAA tourney, is our best chance/opportunity to help grow the sport domestically This is such a hollow argument they have been bragging about how well it's doing and how it's exceeding expectations and crushing monetary goals BEFORE the Arman vs Georgio match. So they either do not need this match or they've been lying. I'd lean towards they do not need the match but are so ducking greedy that they're willing to drag wrestling reputation, dignity and culture through the mud for a pay day. This rematch does nothing positive for wrestling. Period end of story.
forkemaz Posted March 27 Author Posted March 27 1 hour ago, SweetButteryLou said: I’d rather be able to watch a bunch of sick wrestling matchups that I would otherwise not be able to if RAF wasn’t around ….there hows that genius First, there are other leagues. Second, we cant demand they do better? You're so desperate they can just do whatever they want and you'll just be grateful?
forkemaz Posted March 27 Author Posted March 27 1 hour ago, WrestlingRash said: you are a fool. do better. stop attacking wrestling from within. Yes my post is so much more harmful than RAF glorifying post match sucker punch brawls under a wrestling banner for MAYBE more views. Who is the fool again?
SweetButteryLou Posted March 27 Posted March 27 48 minutes ago, forkemaz said: First, there are other leagues. Oh yeah what leagues . What leagues each month have world and Olympic medalists from all over the world wrestling on a weekend night let me know man I want to tune in
OriginalAxon Posted March 27 Posted March 27 11 hours ago, forkemaz said: They have no faith in wrestling standing on its own. No self respecting sports league would have booked Arman vs Georgio 2. In all leagues, that aren't money grab garbage, competitiors who disregard the rules and act unsportsmanlike to the point of brawling are suspended, banned, or fined. Rewarding them with a main event is disgusting. On top of that it's so incredible transparently not about wrestling. The match is booked for one single click bait reason. It's NOT a title rematch, it's NOT for a number 1 contender slot (as far as I can tell RAF doesn't even have rankings, more proof it's just slop and not a sport a league), the match itself was not controversial (the right guy won). It's booked solely for the "will they won't they" throw hands again after the whistle. It flys in the face of everything wrestling stands for. On top of that, the co main is two washed up loud mouths one of which is not a wrestler. Imagine booking these two matches and touting them over Dake vs Keck and Snyder for Taz... Willie also floated wanting Brooks the cheater in the league. It's just a gross joke top to bottom. I hope Willie, Bishoff cookie, Askren, and the others involved see this. They can clutch their pearls and pretend they're trying to grow wrestling while dragging it through the mud with this pure crap style booking for money. And what's crazy is they have been a saying how RAF is exceeding expectations since like the second or third show. Which if that's true why stoop to this kind of cash grab off bad behavior? Why not focus on good wrestling if you were finding success with it? Thank you for your attention to this matter. "I hope Willie, Bishoff cookie, Askren, and the others involved see this. They can clutch their pearls and pretend they're trying to grow wrestling while dragging it through the mud with this pure crap style booking for money." this post is peak pearl clutching... 4 1
1032004 Posted March 27 Posted March 27 1 hour ago, forkemaz said: This is such a hollow argument they have been bragging about how well it's doing and how it's exceeding expectations and crushing monetary goals BEFORE the Arman vs Georgio match. So they either do not need this match or they've been lying. I'd lean towards they do not need the match but are so ducking greedy that they're willing to drag wrestling reputation, dignity and culture through the mud for a pay day. This rematch does nothing positive for wrestling. Period end of story. I think they may be both “exceeding expectations” but also still losing a lot of money and need more viewers 1
WrestlingRash Posted March 27 Posted March 27 1 hour ago, forkemaz said: Yes my post is so much more harmful than RAF glorifying post match sucker punch brawls under a wrestling banner for MAYBE more views. Who is the fool again? That kind of drama is what brings casuals to the sport. Stop being a whiny bitch. Perverted sense of right and wrong LOL 2 4
forkemaz Posted March 27 Author Posted March 27 1 hour ago, SweetButteryLou said: Oh yeah what leagues . What leagues each month have world and Olympic medalists from all over the world wrestling on a weekend night let me know man I want to tune in Moving goal posts already. Now it has to be every month. Most sports have a season. CLAW and CWA both have seasons. Im not sure of PWL schedule. All have top tier wrestlers.
forkemaz Posted March 27 Author Posted March 27 27 minutes ago, OriginalAxon said: "I hope Willie, Bishoff cookie, Askren, and the others involved see this. They can clutch their pearls and pretend they're trying to grow wrestling while dragging it through the mud with this pure crap style booking for money." this post is peak pearl clutching... Nope.
forkemaz Posted March 27 Author Posted March 27 15 minutes ago, 1032004 said: I think they may be both “exceeding expectations” but also still losing a lot of money and need more viewers Interesting and fair assessment. I still think they are making some questionable and even inappropriate choices but noted for sure.
forkemaz Posted March 27 Author Posted March 27 12 minutes ago, WrestlingRash said: That kind of drama is what brings casuals to the sport. Stop being a whiny bitch. Perverted sense of right and wrong LOL Every sentence in this post is false. Casuals don't tune into wrestling hoping for post match fights. The next sentence is an opinion but im not a bitch by any stretch, whiny could be argued. Wanting people who break rules to be punished rather than rewarded is not a perversion of whats right and wrong. What Arman did is literally a fuckking crime. You can not just start punching and kneeing people in a wrestling match. That's assault and battery.
WrestlingRash Posted March 28 Posted March 28 3 hours ago, forkemaz said: Every sentence in this post is false. Casuals don't tune into wrestling hoping for post match fights. The next sentence is an opinion but im not a bitch by any stretch, whiny could be argued. Wanting people who break rules to be punished rather than rewarded is not a perversion of whats right and wrong. What Arman did is literally a fuckking crime. You can not just start punching and kneeing people in a wrestling match. That's assault and battery. LOL seethe and cry harder. Their match now has more interest than any match in RAF history. You are wrong and proud. Thats funny. 1
TheJimReaper Posted March 28 Posted March 28 (edited) 10 hours ago, forkemaz said: I was rooting for RAF. Just like im rooting for CLAW, CWA, and PWL. Im just being honest about the product. It's modern slop, it's lazy, and now it's leaning into the wrong things. When I was growing up you used to hear people talk about there being an easy way and a right way. And RAF wants to do things the easy way, even if it means rewarding shitt heads for jumping people after the whistle. As a rule I ignore the opinion of anyone who unironically uses the word “slop”. Edited March 28 by TheJimReaper 1
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