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The research is pretty uniform that the underage/coerced women are NOT going to be found in some easily-found online ad, available by text, meeting at her hotel. It's a myth. You might get a cop, you might get a gun in your face, but actual coerced prostitutes are rare and certainly won't be found there. Federal laws criminalizing online providers have driven them offline (e.g. ID requirements), and hotel bookings are too expensive and leave a paper trail. They're apt to be on the street or secreted away in some sleazy pimp house, to the extent they exist at all. You're also moving the bar a little bit, seemingly requiring more than consent, when you refer to escorts being in an "appropriate headspace" as opposed to "sketchy." Look, they're pretty much *all* a bit sketchy, or they probably wouldn't be doing this. They're not exactly future Nobel Laureates, if you know what I mean. For some it's a need (only way to feed a kid, or a drug habit), for others they'd just rather work 5 hours in bed than 50 hours at McDonalds for the same money. But it's still consensual and they are knowingly engaging in the act. As such I can't say it's immoral to partake.

I would say he's doing a favor to the people that are being taken advantage of by not calling unless he's sure he's getting an escort that is of sound mind. In this instance he met up with a cop at a hotel room in hopes of it being an anonymous girl. That sounds like a situation where there is a high risk he could've found a girl who was coerced in some way. To be clear I am stating the environment that he chose to participate in, meeting up at a hotel room from an online ad, doesn't have a way to morally partake. I'd guess it's probably more difficult to find the escorts that are in an appropriate headspace to consent than the sketchy ones.

Mormon belief is that Jesus was a Polygamist, married to at least three women who are mentioned with him in scripture. Married & had kids - otherwise how could he have the full life experience?

Nah you're good. My point is that the term "trafficking" is often used in a more expansive way than how you cited it, in order to make it sound like all escorts are victims of some sort. They aren't. You'll see a lot of definitions of "trafficking" as some form of "traveling for the purpose of sexual exploitation," which is short for "escorts who travel." Actual forced prostitution is much less common, and generally has moved offline from the backpage/craigslist to the street/underworld. I haven't seen anything saying that Snyder's done this more than once, but unless he is traveling in those seedier circles, which seems doubtful if he's answering an online ad to meet at a hotel, it's highly unlikely he's encountered this.

Maybe he can get advice from Donald Trump - we now he pays off whores. Or Robert Kraft, the guy who owns the New England Patriots. Both rich & "successful" guys who pay for sex.

great, now i'm hungry and it's past my bedtime

Yeah, I dunno about that. If you're really tight on money, and need to take a second job as an Uber driver at nights to make sure you can pay your rent and feed your kid, would you want customers to not hire you since they don't want to "take advantage of a guy who is in a very bad spot"? Are they really doing you a favor and acting righteously if they're avoiding you for that reason? I agree with the general idea that when you text someone offering an illegal act, you never know for sure what you're going to get. (Snyder just found this out the hard way.) But I just think it's a little bit self-righteous to say a john is doing *the escort* a favor by not calling her. I'll bet she'd disagree.

He looks like someone tried to whittle a penis out of a hotdog.

I haven't read this whole thing deep enough, so apologies if this doesn't hit right. Trafficking doesn't necessarily mean going across state lines. It is all about coercion by one to force another to perform a sex act. This is the US Justice Departments definition: "Sex trafficking is the recruitment, harboring, transportation, provision, obtaining, patronizing, or soliciting of a person for the purpose of a commercial sex act in which a commercial sex act is induced by force, fraud, or coercion, or in which the person induced to perform such act has not attained 18 years of age." It sounds like this isn't his first time and it has probably been happening for a while. So while this time he wasn't paying someone that was being trafficked, chances are very high that he has done this with someone who has, intentional or not.

there are ways though. I don't know whether the guy in question followed such a path, but it's not hard to find unencumbered sex workers

Two things can be true. There can be an argument that legitimization would create a much safer environment, and also that the current environment doesn't have a way to morally partake without a high risk of taking advantage of women who are in a very bad spot.

Who are you referring to? Alvarez never wrestled for Bloomsburg and I don't see those 2 matches on his Wrestlestat profile.

Our advantage in AI alone should tell you enough.

I think we can probably agree here, for the most part. Anytime something's outlawed, it is going to attract some related criminal elements, making that corner of the world a bit more unsafe, sleazy and sketchy. And you're right that the criminalization itself, not the act, is the driver here. Your reference to "women who have no choices" is a bit strong, but if your point is that it includes a lot of women who simply have no other way to get the money that they need (e.g. to feed/house themselves or their kid), then I agree. I'm just not willing to say it's immoral to support such women. To the contrary, I think society should stop stigmatizing them for doing what they must to get by, and should legitimize it with decriminalization, registration, STD/drug testing, taxing... but I digress.

Heard he got held up at the hotel.

Man.. people who seem to be in the known for Iowa seem very pessimistic with low expectations of them coming to Iowa City. Give me the Randy brothers to OkieSt or tOSU. Will be terrible if we miss out on them… but can’t say Tom and staff didn’t put in the effort. Hopefully they do what they did for Michael Kemmerer and drive to their house and close a deal.

I tried reading through this and there are so many dumbasses arguing points that are irrelevant. Point is, Snyder is a poser and a hypocrite. It's not the cops fault, some vendetta against him, and the "who cares" crowd are a bunch of idiots. You can't take anything Kyle has said or done at face value anymore. To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if he was on PEDs this whole time as well. Where does somebody draw the line if they convince themselves the ends justify the means? And Caviar, the reddit said he was known to do this in Columbus and that led to their separation. Not that Ohio State aided and abetted him in it. It also said that word on the street are his Ohio State teammates were sick of him. I get it when you're a preachy douche banging hookers. I always found it odd how him and Kollin Moore, or Logan, or the other guys on the team, weren't very close. Makes sense. I wouldn't be close with him either.

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I don't think you find much of the prostitution world that doesn't overlap with woman who have no choices. Just like when you outlaw drugs, you don't end up with a bunch of places to buy drugs that aren't directly attached to violence. It might be caused by the criminalization, but when you choose to wade into that world, you've decided what's more important than not supporting a super dirty corner of the world.

Ya. Spending $151 Billion per year sure is a great deal for us.

My assertion is that most sane adults don't sell their body by meeting anonymous men at a hotel. There is plenty of evidence that people do sell their bodies in a much safer environment so I'm in agreement with you on that. To your last point, yes that is awful but I'd need to know more details about this particular case before forming an opinion on which is more egregious.

I respect that we may have different views on this, but personally, I don't buy the "what he is doing directly supports trafficking" argument. As mentioned elsewhere, I think people are using "trafficking" so broadly (i.e. escorts traveling) that it's just a shorthand for the sex industry as a whole. If sex with an in-state escort is OK, then just because she traveled from out of state doesn't suddenly make it immoral. I would agree with you if Snyder was supporting the nonconsensual trafficking of women, including women who are forced, underage, or mentally ill. I'm sure there's some seriously shady places you can go to do just that, but I sort of doubt Snyder knows where to find them. According to the police report, he got her number from an online ad, texted her, and they met at a hotel. It's generally agreed in research circles that this is just not where underage or compelled prostitution is found these days. The most I'm willing to say is that it's wrong to break the law, even when, as here, the law is idiotic. But it's the mildest of transgressions in my book, about on par with ripping off a mattress tag.

Those immigrants actually work, and for cheap. It's a,great deal for us.

I wasn't defending Snyder or necessarily talking about this specific case, I was more talking about your assertion that sane adults don't sell their bodies(paraphrasing, correct me if I'm mischaracterizing what you're saying). I think there's a lot of evidence that many do. I don't have a strong enough opinion about the state of illegal prostitution in this area or what Snyder did to have a REAL strong opinion. I think what he did to his wife and then what he did to the people who look up to him as more egregious, in this particular case...