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I said it’s not clear to me if he did. The article clearly states the theft allegation was this year. It does not specify when the allegations of the pictures and genital-grabbing started.

This is a very good breakdown of the issues. I doubt there is much evidence tying the coaches to anything real, but because this is PSU, I think Cael's only real concern is if this gets picked up by the National Media and sensationalized beyond the evidence. The pressure of another winning coach over looking alleged sexual misconduct allegations at PSU could be too much for a Board of Regents, even if there is no evidence Cael was aware of anything.

With the behavior with women thing, in the article the woman accusing him of rape said that before she went to his home she had spent time with him at LWC in the PSU/NLWC team facilities/Sauna's. Starocci using the facility to lure in potential victims is something that if true, would have major blowback on the staff, even if they had no idea it was occurring.

I went back and listened; their reasoning at least, was that with how major the allegations are, they felt it would be unprofessional to speculate on it, as they appear to have no information outside of the article itself. The fact that they did not read through the article and say the allegations was incredibly cowardly in my opinion, but I do understand them not wanting to speculate or offer any opinions on it this early

... don't forget the under age thing kindve brings it more Sandusky level ...

I don't doubt oil checks happen with some regularity in wrestling and other grappling heavy sports. However, I am somewhat surprised that Carter Starocci, a huge 184 pounder would be wrestling at all with 141 pound Beau Bartlett.

Doesn’t have time to read the article but has time to post multiple times about it. Just be honest, you read it but want to use ignorance as a defense. Carter is accused of rape, sexually assaulting his teammates, and taking nude pictures of them and sending them to the team’s group chat. The theft is secondary. You want to know Cael could have done? Anything. Something. Just one thing.

Are you suggesting an investigation into sexual misconduct in a PSU athletic facility was not completed the most vigorous fashion possible?? I am shocked, just shocked.

If any one of you says you haven’t received a 5on2 or an oil check at some point in your career, I’m gunna call you a liar.

Seems appropriate to paraphrase my thoughts from the Ohio State documentary topic here, especially given that the PSU police couldn't seem to find CS for an interview over a 6 month period... If you know anything about the way colleges operated then (and now)... Everyone knew. Plenty of people complained. Those who complained were told by the administration to pound sand. As such, friends and teammates warned their friends and teammates and told them to make the best of it.

Disappointing, to say the least. In the short term, this obviously is going to be the end of Starocci's association with NLWC, and may will be the end of is amateur career. The bigger question is what the blowback will be on the PSU coaches. Was any of this buried? It's hard to tell. To break it down by allegations, in order of seriousness: --Starocci's behavior with women. This is where the allegations are most serious (there's a rape allegation in the article), though there's no indication any of this was relayed to the coaches. If it were, it likely would have been in the form of second-hand rumors, which probably isn't enough to trigger any sort of obligation to report it, though you'd hope the coaches would talk to him. A reporting obligation would arise if a first-hand account were reported of something that's a crime, but that does not seem to be the case here. --Starocci's on-the-mat behavior (finger in butt, genital grabbing). There's Beau plus two others alleging this, but the article makes no mention of it being reported to the coaches or the coaches being aware of it. Were they? Beau mentions what he reported, and doesn't include this. If someone said it *was* reported, and the coaches did nothing, that's serious, but also a very VERY grey area. It's also one which has the broadest repercussions in the sport, in terms of triggering a broader conversation. In a physically proximate sport, where the ol' "5 on 2" and "oil check" have been around for decades but are often inadvertent, what's a coach to do when someone says "he grabbed my balls"? Even if it's intentional, given that it's usually done for competitive advantage rather than for perversion, do you treat it as a penalty-justifying foul, or as sexual assault? --Starocci posting naked photos and posting them on chat. This, based on the article, is where the coaches are at greatest risk, as Beau says this was reported to them. The details on this one are going to be important. Do the photos posed on public chat (even if it's just team members) include genitalia? Was the posting of photos reported, and what did the coaches do? Was the naked photo of Beau shared? Deleted? If it's on the more serious end (e.g. genital-exposing photos shared on chat and reported to coaches), then any coach that did nothing is cooked -- Cael included. But if it was just the one photo reported, I can see a coach dismissing it as stupid locker room antics, thinking it sufficient to verbally counsel Starocci and ensure the photo was deleted. But such judgment calls, even if defensible in isolation, take a new life when this becomes a PR issue and investigators look at this with 20-20 hindsight. I can see someone saying, "even if all that was reported is a single naked photo, that's a criminal act and must be reported up the chain, and is a fireable offense if it isn't." That one's a problem and, by itself, could result in loss of a job. --Starocci's theft. Against all the other issues, this is the tail wagging the dog. This was reported to the coaches, and the coaches said they're fine if they report it to the police. It isn't the coaches job to figure out who's stealing from who, only to assist if they want to report it to police. Beau seemed unconvinced in the coaches' sincerity in wanting to get to the bottom of it, but again, that's not really their job, it's the police's job. Bottom line: Whether the coaches were aware of Starocci's misconduct in wrestling practice, and what they did, is a huge open question. So too is what exactly was reported to the coaches about Carter's photo of Beau, and what they did -- but based on what's reported, the coaches are going to be scrutinized. The allegations are serious enough on their merit, but the PR folks are now going to get involved and they skew toward overcorrection, so if any coach didn't properly report up the chain, they'll be put on leave.

One of the two will flip to Iowa. Bo to Ok State.

We couldn't have drawn it up any better buy we could have easily predicted it.

Don't for get the ragu thrown on top.

The perfect recipe for a Jimmy thread only better if he had Duke and Blaze flipping to Iowa.

I think it's clear it means no Bo. Maybe Blaze and Duke flip too.

Jimmy is offering you easy money! I'd take the bet but every time I've done so he's backed out. You might be able to fool him with that can of sauce.

Literally anything because it appears as if they did literally nothing.

I doubt people get canned unless we get to a Deshaun Watson level of stuff. Should tank their recruiting though

Couldn't make contact for 6 months over their investigation. They know where he will be at least once a day everyday of the week, that's BS

If you are making $100k much less $1M can't you afford to hire you own financial adviser? Does the university provide this service for the other 50,000 academic students?

That part is odd. It's not like Starocci was hiding in a cave in Afghanistan.

Going to West Point and graduating basically gives you a pathway to a career for life. Even if you don't stay in the military, once your time is up, there's no shortage of places that would hire a West Point grad who has 4-5 years of experience. Depending on your duties in the army, that security clearance you might have becomes insanely valuable outside of the military. An old friend of mine served in the army and got the clearance. Once his time was up he got a job in a field he knew nothing about because it was cheaper to train him to do the job than spend the money to get somebody the proper clearance. Don't overlook the financial aspects of graduating from West Point.

The police didn't try very hard to talk to him. If they wanted to, it would have happened immediately.

This topic is more true now than ever. Wondering how Basch and Willie will react to the recent news. Hopeful they aren't like the gall-less FRL guys. I know for a fact the Quad Pod guys will