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That's not the point. The point is the illiniwrestling said Nolf spinned behind after the whistle was blown when clearly he didn't. The 2 points were overruled because the sequence should have been called dead but never was. Illiniwrestling made up revisionist history.

You can't ignore rule changes that took place when the whole point of the discussion was the fact that there were crazy and stupid confusing rule changes during the past 30 years!

4:52 Nolf was already behind before you hear the whistle.

The guy who yelled that is human trash and a coward. He ran away like a Lil B*

You're lying because the freestyle I wrestled 30 years ago changed entirely every 5 years. You cannot ignore the 3 points or ot, you cannot ignore referees decision, you cannot ignore 2 out of 3 periods, you cannot ignore the clinch, you cannot ignore the shot clock, you cannot ignore 1 point takedowns, you cannot ignore 1 5 minute period. You cannot ignore the blood rag in your singlet. You cannot ignore criteria. You saying it's the same today means you didn't actually wrestle freestyle 30 years ago.

Yes but it didn't change the spirit of folkstyle. The freestyle rule changes over the past 30 years have made the style unrecognizable from one cycle to another. And no you can't ignore the ball grab 2 out of 3 thing. That's the entire focus of the style as a whole.

All of these things being true, JB still didn't make a single offensive attempt the entire match.. level changing is not an offensive attempt. The better wrestler won. Get over it!

Maybe... But the rules changed almost every Olympic cycle from 1988 to 2016 and those rule changes were universal to the style. 1 5 min period, must score 3 points or the match goes to OT, must win 2 out of 3 periods, ball grab, clinch, push out rule, shot clock, referees decision, etc etc. when freestyle rules changed its like the entire style gets completely overhauled. College/HS changes haven't changed the foundation of the style where as Freestyle changes absolutely have. But you're right.. the past decade of freestyle has been pretty consistent.

Who knows anymore, freestyle rules changed repeatedly over and over and over again.

JB Is a low key d*ck. But that's what makes him successful. He definitely has an edge. He's definitely the "nice guy" a lot of people make him out to be.

JB needs some better socks.. he must have readjusted them 10 times!

Ou lost all legitmacy saying Lebron is the goat. Sorry it Jordan.

Jordan Burroughs is in attendance at Wrestlemania and his presence was announced to the crowd

Not the finals but.... Definitely the more dominant wrestler in this match

John Stutzman has the greatest cauliflower ear on the planet.

https://www.pa-wrestling.com/hs/teams/glendale/athlete_stats.htm?id=141891

With his 3 NCAA titles, Stephen Abas probably would have won the Hodge had it not been for Cael Sanderson..

Yes I agree.. 22 > 1 indeed

Both Lance and Collin Palmer begrudingly did it. But i think they repeated 6th grade instead. Some of the wrestlers currently at Faith Christian Academy did it as well.

You dont need to compare them to PSU. Use the highlighted metric above against how other schools have done. Other schools have gotten guys to go in crazy runs at NCAAs.

Contrary to what some here may think, I absolutely know what the heck Im talking about.

You grossly exaggerated how bad Zalesky was compared to Brands. Spin it however way you want, but on paper theyre pretty similar. Still I will concede with the edge going to Brands mostly due to longevity, a dual recruiting class with number 1 transfer Brent Metcalf (if Kirkvliet is considered a transfer then so is Metcalf), and landing Spencer Lee, a wrestler who would have been great no matter where he went. Spencer made Iowa better not the other way around. Spencer may credit his success to Iowa, but i call it cognitive dissonance. I didnt forget the 2021 title. I absolutely included it, however Tom Ryan also has a team title in 2015 and has more 2nd place finishes than Iowa. You want to claim a title for 2020? Fine, but that season PSU was ranked number 1 ahead of Iowa until Cassar got injured at US Nationals. Had he not been injured, PSU would have been the front runner and Seth Nevils would not have been in the line up. If you remember, the dual that season came down to heavyweight. Cassar does not lose to freshman Tony Cassiopi (the most successful version I might add.) Finally when the heck did the discussion turn to including if Gable had stayed? If Gable had stayed and his health allowed I believe the program would be in better shape! Penn States 6th place finish was a deliberate Punt season so its justified. Iowa has never deliberately punted. Using that as an example its purely disingenuous and you know it. Dresser's programs continues to improve. His wrestlers continue to improve. Its sad you refuse to give Dresser his due credit. I 100% whole heartedly believe Iowa would be better in Dresser's hands. l also whole heartedly believe ISU would not be where it is today if Brands was running the show there. Bottomline is under Brands the program will not have its return to glory days. Hes only getting older and his style is outdated. Iowa wrestlers are not dynamic, and they peak way too early in the season and their careers and end up battered and beaten. Spencer Lee's healthy was poorly mismanaged. Real Woods was expected to be head and shoulders ahead of the field yet declined. He "didnt look like himself." Seems to be an undeniable pattern over there. Kaleb Young goes from an NCAA semifinalist and AA while handling Ryan Deakin multiple times to not AAing as a senior as Deakin improves and wins an NCAA title. I wont mention Marinelli or Kemmerer. Too many examples to give here to support my stance of Brands NOT being the 2nd best coach in NCAA wrestling. Dint get me wrong, hes a great coach for sure, but not 2nd best. Finally, yes they lost starters due to the gambling scandle (which i agree is BS), but much of that loss was mitigated by 2 AA transfers so your whole "they lost 70% of their starters" comment is also disingenuous. If anything they were better off with Franek and Caliendo at 157 and 165, 2 guys they probably wouldnt have gone for had the scandle not happened. Abe Assad doesnt AA and is comparable to Kennedy at 174 (edge to Kennedy imo.) Nelson Brands, maybe AA. Cassiopi a lower AA (6th at best) but also probably loses to Yonger Bastida.

This is false due to the fact that Iowa has only placed 2nd behind PSU twice since 2011. tOSU, Okie State, Cornell, Minnesota all would have had titles during those years if PSU never came about. You cannot declare Iowa the perennial number 2 team, when they have not regularly been number 2.

You exaggerate grossly. Yes Brands had 4 championships, but 2 of them were before Cael came to Penn State and their run began. Furthermore yes Iowa has been top 5 for the past 17 years, however they always were in the top 5 so to act like thats the measuring stick for success is very disingenuous. Yes its easier to improve a poorly performing team, HOWEVER a team like Iowa should NEVER fall below those teams. NEVER, not even once so yes the fact that Dresser was able to out place Iowa with 2 different programs speaks volumes. With VaTech he rebuilt a gutted program and with ISU he did it with a team that lost a team point. You obviously are satisfied with Iowa and Brands performance in being a top 5 team, but go check out the Hawkeyereport. Many Iowa fans are not and have a much higher expectation than you. Since Penn States run began in 2011. Iowa has placed 2nd TWICE, yet you crown them as the 2nd best program.