billyhoyle

This is why Europeans think we're nuts. We have people posting as toilets who are riflery experts (I don't understand what you said, but it sounds like you know your shit). So many random people are armed. Anybody who snaps can have access to a weapon and try to do some crazy shit like we saw yesterday. I'm more amazed that we have gone 40 years between Reagan and this than the failure of the Secret Service in this case to prevent it. That has to be one of the most difficult jobs in the world. I wonder if the only solution here is that moving forward there shouldn't be presidential rallies outside in open areas-and that they should really only take place in indoor venues with fixed points of entry.

The thing you posted here is a screenshot of 4chan. 4Chan is a message board where anyone can post anything anonymously. So it wasn’t a report that you posted, it was just somebody trolling you.

Why don’t we let the details come out before excoriating them. Obviously this was a failure in the system, but they did neutralize the shooter in seconds after all. We live in a society where everyone can be armed to the teeth. People of all ages have access to weapons that can fire 8 shots in seconds with high accuracy. Shorter range pistols can also be 3D printed out of plastic (see Japan). They had to be mindful of the entire crowd in that wide open space, not just the rooftops. who knows how long they even had to prepare for the rally and the many other rallies that they have to protect as well-each in a different location. And then in the moment, it is not easy to immediately recognize a target as a shooter vs just a random Trump supporter in the crowd watching from the roof. Obviously in retrospect that sounds stupid, but this is a decision the sniper had to make in an instant before the shots were fired while also taking aim. These are the best in the world at this job, but they are still human. We see it all the time where officers fail to stop shooters, and unfortunately that happened once again here. There are also so many random threats posted on social media that identifying these people before they attack is even more challenging.

Which report? The one posted on 4Chan?

Would the secret service snipers even need approval to eliminate somebody with a rifle pointed at the former president? All this transpired over the course of seconds-it’s not unreasonable that the agent simply failed to recognize and then engage the threat before the shots were fired. The shooting only lasted briefly, so he was taken out immediately.

Is it really incompetence? The shooter was neutralized in seconds from 150 yards away. Lee Harvey Oswald got away from the scene. The attempts on Reagan and RFK were both at point blank range. Obviously it was a failure in security, but it is an extremely difficult challenge to protect somebody in open space like. The idea that Trump was in on it makes no sense. The idea that the secret service was in on it makes no sense (they saved his life and acted immediately). Why would they pick a 20 year old wacko to do this?

You believe a random post on 4chan? The conspiracies that Trump set this up are idiotic. The roof is at an angle, so he would have only had seconds to spot him, confirm the threat, and take him out. And he did take the guy out almost immediately.

It’s crazy to me that a deranged 20 year old can get access to a semi automatic rifle and almost take away the democratic process from millions of people who support Trump. You had tons of secret service agents protecting him, and a sniper take out the shooter in seconds, but he was still able to get off what seemed to be 4-5 close shots in rapid succession. Security has gotten much better since even the attempt on Reagan’s life, but so has the prevalence of potential threats and the ease with which they can access the means to do it (weapons, but also mapping of events bc of the satellite images). Bc the rally was in PA and so was the gunman, I wonder how much this guy planned for this. Or did he just snap.

There are huge issues related to physical and mental health to go through the steroid cycles required to be successful in WWE. The experiences portrayed in "The Iron Claw" are not the exception, unfortunately. The wrestlers with brand recognition like Logan Paul, KSI, Gable Steveson, and Kurt Angle have not had to change their names. It's telling that they don't value the brand that she built enough to let her do the same-I view it as a huge red flag. What differentiates her from everyone else now? And I'm drawing this conclusion from the clips that were shared. Being successful in WWE is not about how good of an amateur wrestler you are. I posted the exact same thing when Gable Steveson's clips in WWE started coming out years ago. It was obvious he wasn't going to work out, and I think he was lucky to be able to get out when he did. People here were talking about how he'd be the next Lesnar or Angle and get to star in movies. I'd be happy to be wrong, but it's crazy to me that anyone views WWE as a good career path. The odds are much higher that you develop substance abuse problems and leave broke than actually earning enough from it for the issues to be worth it.

Did you have a problem with the U.S. going into Afghanistan after 9/11? There's no moral equivalency between invading a sovereign nation to annex it and responding to a terrorist attack by going after that terrorist group. This response by Russia seems more aimed at punishing their athletes who chose not to publicly support the war than it does anything else.

It's a legitimate question...Why would they rebrand her when she won the Olympics and got TONS of good press from that? The best in the sport do pretty well in the long term. I bet Gable Steveson would have been better off financially if he had stuck with wrestling. We'll see what happens in his career vs JB, Taylor, Dake, Snyder. Obviously, TMS has less earning potential than they do, but I doubt she has that much in WWE either (based on how they have treated her and that clip). WWE is not about actual wrestling skills at all, and it never has been. WWE stars come from being roided up and playing on whatever the zeitgeist is. Women's amateur wrestling is growing, and TMS could be a leader in that-there is much more space for growth there than there is in WWE.

If that kid had just learned a stand up and gotten off from bottom his dad wouldn't have been arrested! That is why you practice mat wrestling (looking at you, Ohio State).

Athletes always get crap when they do this-it's not just a wrestling thing. Many more people know about Muhammad Ali and Tim Tebow and how they mixed religion and sport than know of PSU wrestling. Kyrie Irving got WAY more pushback for disparaging a religion than Aaron Brooks ever did (I don't think Brooks ever even apologized).

Maybe this guy lost because the people in his district didn't like him and it's not some big conspiracy? No amount of money would make AOC or Jim Jordan lose a primary because their districts like them.

The right-wing does the exact same thing when they lose and don't get their way. Example in France: