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Somebody needs to start a cleveland state girls wrestling team immediately

He could be one of those dudes who is way better on an international mat than he is a folkstyle mat.

Yup, that’s how forgetting about things works.

Such a gaff on my part, sorry tony, I completely forgot about him and his complete ownership of the 3rd place spot on the podium.

Keiter is a tweener big time. He would be a rail at 197, and bulking up might legitimately not be in his genetics unless he gets on some tren-balogna sandwiches. Maybe he had a tough match, I don’t see him having the speed or strength to enforce his technique enough to AA. That said, the brand’s definitely know how to manage hometown spectacle as much as athlete development. They could get a better heavy easily, Iowa heavies rarely do better than round of 12, but keuter has major hometown/homestate support, he brings in the fans and the brands definitely like that.

Welcome! That is awesome that you have found the sport, and you have found it at an excellent time in the history and evolution of the sport.

I will give you names who used to be part of the flo team, all left. Martin Floreani, Joe Williamson, Mike Mal, our own board host here, Cliff Fretwell, Lee Roper, just to name a few. Bader used to have 10x the face time he does now. So…like I said, if you were around for it, if you know, you know, it’s not a question, just a reality.

If you know you know.

Flo is Flo in name only. I’d venture easy 50% of the people who read Flo do it out of reflex remembering when Flo used to legitimately rewrite the playbook for wrestling coverage every month. They invest maybe 10% of the effort they used to. It is just a corporate click and subscription hunting webpage anymore. Maybe the Flo platform really breaks ground in other sports, but Flowrestling specifically is a cold stinky skeleton of what it used to be.

I can't say anything for blood sugar necessarily, but I can absolutely say that circadian rhythm impacts performances. There was 2 hour bands throughout the day when i would wrestle well and feel with it, and 2 hour bands when I would always feel out of it. It wasn't intentional, it just always turned out that way. If I had a match that was 10am-noon, 2pm-4pm, or 6pm-8pm, I would be waaay more consistent and with it. If you put me on the mat between 8-10am, noon-2pm, or 4-6pm, wouldn't work, I'd always be tired. I know not everybody is that way, but for me managing that was my biggest struggle in performance consistency. As a way to sort of shortcut that, I HAD to take a nap in between matches, even if it was just 5 minutes. If I didn't, in those in-between sleepy bands of time I would be all messed up. I have no idea why this is the case, but this continues to be something I have to manage in terms life as an adult as well. I'm a MUCH more effective, much happier person if you let me take naps.

He’s a low scorer on his last leg of eligibility, and has a body that’s wearing a ton of historical injuries. This just happens with some guys when they get long in the tooth in college, everything starts to hurt and doesn’t stop. It makes wrestling pretty awful at times. Cam is smaller than he’s been, and he’s already wrung three AA finishes out of himself. He may also be getting absolutely abused in the room by Hamiti. If you’re used to being a big dog, and you show up and get killed every day, it can put a real ding in your confidence if you’re not careful. To directly answer your question, no, he won’t. Amine may get to scoring 5 or six points every single match, but he’s not going to be a buzzsaw. That's never been his MO.

I’m betting Ferrari Sr and Earl Woods would have a lot to talk about.

Shortest showerheads I ever encountered were in Oklahoma. Tip of the cap to Enid for Junior National Duals way back in the day

Gimp from the rafters with the easy answer

No…this is dumb. The amount of looking around and “guys…right did we…oh no? Ok nono that’s cool, I forgot these guys didn’t pay us” that happens in international wrestling is disgusting. It is the lifeblood of corruption in the sport. If it were one ref, easy fix, “that dude took a bag, kick him out.” But with three, they can just spiderman each other and nobody every finds anything out. In folkstyle, the second ref is a luxury afforded to big matched and big conferences. The second dude actively gives his opinion when solicited, but it’s one person’s job to make a decision and own it. The system works. I saw the head ref ask the second guy’s opinion probably 5 times this weekend alone. It’s collaborative but not a committee. Sports, especially wrestling, don’t need more committees. Committees ruin freestyle and greco, and effectively killed greco as a consumable product. Go sit in on a seeding meeting and ask coaches what they think of committees. Rules with fixed criteria enforced rigorously by one person are much better.

I came hear to start this thread out with a "dude.....wtf is going on?" This is two years in a row that mizzou has been an absolute ghost of what they used to be. Is Mizzou dropping the ball in terms of NIL? Is coach smith just going to be the Nick Saban of wrestling? The guy who simply wasn't able to manage the program's transition from the pre to post NIL era? I have no idea what his stance on the topic is, but I know that I have been very fortunate to watch Mizzou be a perennial top 5 team for the majority of my adult life, and this feels like much more than a "down year", this feels like something has jumped the rails and is heading or has already headed into the woods. I understand that Stanford is better under Ayres, but, jtfc, part of that score was a stanford forfeit at 125. Somebody please show me that this team and this program have not already gone the way of Edinboro and we're just finding out now. I have seen (and been member of) too many teams where a coach goes whole hog in on a particular guy or batch of guys, all the while basically hollowing out the long term foundation and culture of the program in order to put a stamp or bow on the coach's personal legacy. Tigers fans, what is going on here?

You have to understand anything Bo says to promote himself he’s likely being asked, if not sideways told to say to promote one upcoming match or another. The UFC is no longer what it was, it is professional wrestling, except the fights are (more?) real, and outcomes less scripted. But the fanfare and trash talk, all contrived, completely fake. That goes for anything a fighter says while under contract with the UFC. You can’t trust a word out of a fighter’s mouth, bc it was put their in an attempt at marketing, but if the fighters say so, they get put in roster jail and their careers are killed. Edit: Man, I love MMA, but the UFC truly does blow now.

Something IS going around, and I had not factored that in at all. If they have what came through my neck of the woods, major kudos to them for even stepping out on the mat. That stuff was brutal, like lifetime top five crappy bugs I've come down.

Did Nebraska decide to wear the vacant John Smith cap just in the nic of time, having practically half their lineup drop a weight class to subsequently get completely housed by UNI? In all seriousness, how do you all think this is going to pan out? Looking especially for input from folks who have personally felt the bite of big pulls on performance. I know they are rolling the dice to try to get Allred and Pinto to the podium, but to my eye they both look slower than they did last year. I’ve never heard of a rough cut having less of an impact as the year goes on.

This makes a ton of sense. And sounds like this is just the logical result of injecting NIL into the competitive value structure that the sport of wrestling has had from the dawn of time. In wrestling, Dan Marino is a 4x qualifier who could've been something but never was.

You are not wrong, it's been a major snoozefest, which happens. There are down years and transition years which tend to crop up following the graduation of big names. We're just experiencing a major dip because we graduated SO MANY guys last year who had been around for what felt like a decade. From finalists last year, the following are those who graduated. Vito Fix Austin Gomez Carr Brooks Hidlay Davison I don't feel like doing all the math, but everybody please feel free to add in the 7x AA's who also graduated. We had a glut of guys get REALLY good (because, 900 years of eligibility), and this is the reset year. The other year that I can remember being this boring was 2003, like gouge your eyes out boring, was right after Cael graduated. That's definitely not a coincidence.

Anybody know where Cardenas sits with his degree credits? Woods muscled through in 3 years if I recall correctly. Cardenas could be ready for a masters in tidepool basket weaving (instead of the traditional underwater variety)

This is really timely, because this is the first time in a really long time that I couldn't give half a rat fart about what happens through most of the year. Is PSU good? Yes. Is Okie State an interesting story line? Yes, maybe, hopefully... But entirely to the point of what @Hillbilly Jim said, we have 4 months of season that really serve no purpose at this point besides...anything. The regular season simply doesn't matter anymore, at all. And coaches recognize this. We all also know that wrestling is a terribly punishing sport, and if you make it to the point of being a meaningful part of a D1 roster, your likely have hopes for wrestling beyond the NCAA on an international stage. We are seeing that, if athletes remain injury free, they can continue to compete well into their mid 30's. IF they stay injury free. Iowa-grinding yourself into oblivion by age 20 isn't the path forward, and it also turns out that it removes the fun from the sport, and hinders peak performance. This is why athletes are checking out of this. Also, important to note, the de facto college season isn't 4 months, it's more like 11 months long for the very best athletes. If you go to a top D1 team and you AA and compete for a title, you are also expected to make at least an age group world team and be competitive on the world stage. Age group and senior world medals are part and parcel of the RTC model. This is not a bad thing by any stretch, US wrestling has improved enormously since the implementing RTC's, but managing milage really matters. So, this might just be the price we have to pay for more spring, summer, and early fall success and excitement. Regular season folkstyle is just a snoozefest because...folkstyle is less important than it used to be even to college programs.

Came here looking for this. Also...hate to ask it but we have to leave room for these being cough [payme!] cough injuries. I haven't heard anybody bragging about Mizzou's bankroll, and obviously ASU losing theirs led to near total dissolution of their roster.