Winners Circle

How can he be the center of an investigation but the real cops were never involved, and the rent-a-cops (campus police) never were able to contact him? Seems like a load of hoopla to me.

When did holding kids accountable in order to try to help them accomplish their goals (which in turn will make the team better) become a bad thing?

Or here: There's three whole pages about it.

Davis has only went to one school, so it would probably be hard to have offenses at multiple schools right? Asking for a friend.

Man idk. I know the staff loves the Frost bros, for obvious reasons.

125: Escobedo. I think this was my first year really watching the NCAA finals and he kind of put it on Ness. 133: Cory Clark. Grew up wrestling against him, so there's a nostalgia effect. Then I gained a ton of respect for him when he won the title with essentially one arm. 141: Jaggers. I loved his cradle series off of opponent's HC and thought it was awesome how he always got it done at NCAAs. 149: Gregor Gillespie. I remember him having a lightning quick low single and I ate that up. 157: Michael Chandler. I met him at Mizzou camp one summer and he talked to me about Jesus Christ and I loved it. He always scrapped hard too. Had an unreal match with Leen once, which he lost, but was a complete scramble fest. 165: Mark Perry. He won me over when he beat Hendricks for the title, even though I was a diehard OSU fan growing up. 174: Jay Borschel. When he ran down Heinrich in the semis, I thought he was the baddest dude that had ever stepped on a mat. 184: Quentin Wright. I remember him pinning Gambrall in the semis and the place erupted. 197: Jake Varner. Dude just always found a way to win and I thought he was unbeatable. 285: Mark Ellis. He was my camp counselor at Mizzou camp the summer after he won the title. Looked up to him after that. Wow. I consider myself a Hawkeye hater to be honest, and 3/10 of my team is Hawks.

I think Ruth at his peak beats 184 version of Brooks' peak. Brooks was better at 197. If you remember, Marcus Coleman beat a 184 Brooks. 141 I'm not sure Zain could go here. Yes, he beat Stieber, but he only wrestled one NCAA tournament here and finished 5th. I think a junior year, 157, JB beats Nolf. But I won't fight you on it. I won't argue with you about Starocci over Askren. I could see the argument for both (Askren 2 Hodges vs Starr 4 titles). Also, not to nitpick, but you reference a couple times that you're prioritizing college careers, which I did as well. But then you also mentioned that Vito got the nod from you in part because he won a WT.

Oversight on my part. I overlooked Cael since he started his career in the 90s. Slide Cael in at 197 and remove Nickal.

The problem is some people look at this as "who the had the best career" and others look at it as "who was the best in their prime or at their peak". And Flo did not really clarify which way they're defining it. I'll do prime. 125: Spencer 133: JO 141: Stieber 149: Dake 157: JB 165: DT 174: Askren 184: Ruth 197: Nickal 285: Gable Yes, I did some jockeying around to get Dake, DT, and JB in the lineup. But I think it's fair. Dake's domination of Molinaro in the finals was impressive. 157 JB dominated a returning finalist in Poeta. And senior year DT was ultra dominant all year. I also considered Cole Konrad over Gable, but peak Gable (before the WWE etc.) was unreal.

Where does that leave Haines?

I'd imagine this will be Hunter Mason.

Wow. Not sure how I missed this. Terrible.

Wtf did miss here?!!

Normally I'd agree with this, but he's done this most of his college career which makes me wonder if he does this for some kind of grip advantage. See below pic from his freshman year NCAAs.

I'd move Wask into tier 4. He has split matches with Norman in his career, lost to Singleton by 2 at NCAAs, and finished 8th. I'd also see the argument of moving Pinto down into tier 4, but I wouldn't die on that hill.