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They never were both at 141 at the same time. Swiderski started at 141 as a true FR in 2022-2023 and made the bloodround. Jamison redshirted in 2022-2023 and went 0-0. In 2023-2024 Swiderski went 149 and finished 7th and Jamison went 0-2 at NCAAs at 141..

Yes, at 141. The jury is out on how he'd do at 149. We have a good idea of where Swiderski is at 149.

I could see that.

College coaches have told me on a frequent basis that Super 32 is the closest thing to the NCAA tournament at the HS level. Take that for what it's worth.

And you think Pinto is that guy? May I refer you to the match below. That's just the first one that came to my head. But I know Lenny has not been known to be a strong gas tank guy.

Comparing apple to oranges there. Different tournaments and different weights. I think Swiderski is top 4 next year. I think Jamison is R12 maybe 7-8 type.

I think it may be competitive in the room, but I don't see them even being in the same tier in terms of NCAA scoring potential.

You could very well be right. It will be interesting to see and I trust the staff to put the best guy on the mat.

Yes I agree. And my rationale for TT over Jamison at 157 is few things: TT has more offense. Jamison is very counter reliant. Off of this, TT went 2-2 at 157 and made the R16 in 2024. Then was set to go 157 again this year (with Fish RS), and got hurt early on and so they pulled Fish out. Then TT ended up dropping to 149 for B12s and NCAAs. Long winded way of saying I'd like to see how much TT jumps levels with a full season under this staff and at the right weight. Seems as though Jamison wins a lot of matches/positions based on sheer power and strength. I'm not sure if he has the same advantage up even weight, let alone two.

As a cowboy fan, I'd rather have TT than Jamison at 157. My ideal lineup is: 125: Spratley 133: Figs 141: Jamison 149: Swiderski 157: TT 165: Dee 174: Facundo 184: Ryder 197: Merrill 285: Doucet

Let's not act like Vincent was a dog in HS. He was top 10 in the country most of his HS career. He was multiple time Super 32 AA, Fargo AA, Ironman AA, Powerade Champ, etc. The 'never a state champ' stat is very misleading. As a freshman he lost to Josh Koderhandt (who was a junior at the time and AA'd this year for Navy), soph. state was canceled because Chinavirus, junior and senior years he lost to Lemley. So it's not like he was losing to scrubs.

Hip surgery = at least 1 national title. Only Mr. Pastry

Imagine how fun this thread would be if we were talking about transfer portal news and not all this other crap...

No.