WrestlingRasta

I want to debate you, but I know having gone through the same experience S Lee has, you can speak coming from common ground. Particularly since….you were there.

Ageeed. I’d argue it was the greatest Olympic performance of all time. Matter if perspective. Where one may say he got lucky of an early whistle. Another may say short of a 30 second brain fart with zero par terre defense….he absolutely dominated the bracket…a tough bracket with lots of gold medals. The brain fart just set up one of the most dramatic finishes of all time.

Delish

I don’t even know what you’re trying to say here.

I agree with 99% of that. I just don’t go so far ahead of myself to consider a guy world medal threat….who is not competing in the world championships. Countless upon countless examples of people who have beaten a medalist, yet never competed in a world championship, let alone medaled, keep me from taking that step. Maybe this will simmer everyone’s onions: Do I believe he has the talent and skills to win a medal some day? Sure. Do I consider him a medal threat in a tournament before he is able to put it together enough to qualify for said tournament? No

You got the stickies…don’t you. No, I didn’t.

it is one thing to beat a medalist, it is another to win a medal. That's all I said. Relax folks. It's okay.

True, but really has nothing to do with the fact that there's a difference between beating a world medalist or champ at an open or grand prix, and doing it at the world championships. Not saying it's impossible for him to do so.

thanks skippy

I don't know if it takes anything away when comparing world championships from the past. There is a long history of ten weight classes. Comparing Olympics on the other hand...... I really think overall you have to give a little more weight to the golds and medals in the post soviet era, before even talking about weight classes. There's just so many damn Russians in the bracket. Then you drop down to six weights, making the bracket even more Russian heavy. Then you add in the new wave of free agency, where, not only do you have the Russian, Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan, and Belarus in the bracket......but the athletes from France and Arab Emirates are imported Russians. It's particularly tough in international wrestling to make good comparisons between eras. The mount rushmore in my opinion should be categorize your four eras, and who's the goat from each.

Not for nothin, but there's a big difference between beating someone with a medal, and winning a medal at the championships. Especially for Americans, who tend to stay closer to 'peak' than other countries. Brent Metcalf????

I love this selection process. I love that if you win a world medal, they have to come through you. I have no problem with that, that athlete has proven they are capable of winning a world medal. I also love the adjustments they made this year and the extreme importance of the national championship. The national champ will wrestle for the spot, guaranteed. To make the team you either have to win a medal, or win the national championship. I think that’s beautiful.

None the less, did the ref forget who he awarded the caution too. Did the athletes and coaches forget who just back straight out avoiding just three seconds ago. I get was mass confusion I’m just again surprised that EVERYONE in the match forgot who just got cautioned three seconds ago.

So what I’ve been wondering is how is it that everyone involved in the match forgot that there was a criteria winning caution JUST THREE SECONDS AGO. The caution was even marked on the board Seriously the ref, athletes, coaches all just……forgot.

No offense but, then why did you bring him up and talk about him when the conversation had nothing to do with him?

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Yeah I hear ya. I’m in Florida. We’re trying.

Serious question, when was the last season eight schools had a champ?

I was part of a contingent of about 25 people that reserved a couple tables to watch semis at a bar…. I know there were many others. Many a HS/Club programs do big watch parties.

I've seen a few remarks that adding the criteria of nearfall for riding point, would add complexity to even some table workers scoring the match? It's documented in the match, whether handwritten on the bout sheet or in track. Wouldn't it be, like a two to three second exercise, to verify whether or not the athlete scored a nearfall? An exercise a scorekeeper could verify, maybe as the clock runs down under ten seconds.

He also, save from 45 seconds of brain fart against Petro, showed he was levels above the competition in Tokyo. Many before have taken off significant time in a cycle and come back to win another gold.

My opinion, what you are speaking of is the fundamental connect, where there should be disconnect. ‘Government’ should not be anywhere in there. Not as far as the Olympics (and level competition) is concerned. I realize that that’s ‘should be’ and not necessarily always is. None the less, the athletes represent the people of their nation. And I think we can all agree governments don’t always represent the will of their nations peoples. I can tell you with certainty this war is not the will of the people of Russia, and while I agree there has to be accountability, withholding the athletes is a much much bigger punishment to the athletes, and the pride the people of Russia take in their success, than it is to the individuals perpetrating what’s going on over there.

They (the athletes) don't have as much "choice" as you might think.

Huh?

His freestyle leg lace might be (or at least had been, we haven’t seen it in awhile) as good as his folkstyle tilt.