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I am told by a reliable source Putin asked Saitiev not to stand too close to a window

Said KS to his partner in crime…

I guess Mason Paris, Wyatt Hendrickson and Gable are all on the right side of 25 and I am confident they will all be in a position to give Zare and Masoumi or any other talented new comer, and not to mention Geno a run for their money. Gable certainly is a great talent and if he now decides he wants to take his rightful place as a HW wrestler internationally we would be having a different discussion and the 9 out of 10 prediction may still come to pass ( although I get it that you meant this in the context of encounters between Wyatt and Gable).

I guess the problem may be when Gable had the chance to come and defend his Olympic title( perhaps 2-3 times?) he didn’t take that chance. Presumably it’s fair enough to suggest that you got to actually come out and compete if you want to be considered a contender. Gable seems to have backed out of coming back to do that but I’m sure we can say 9 out 10 years he will have come out and show what he is made of internationally but there were mitigating circumstances …

Did Gable Steveson not lose to a compatriot -Wyatt Hendrickson-recently? Is he still expected to be able to compete internationally for medals not having done anything internationally or created a track record in international tournaments for what 3-4 years?

Ah that makes sense- putting something up in the heat of the moment then deleting it when he has calmed down. It must be intolerable being stuck behind Zare where you could make your case on the wrestling mat for being amongst the world or Olympic medals. It would make sense, I agree with you, If he tried to compete for another country. As a wrestling fan it would also be interesting to see him compete against Zare and others in the world arena rather than just Takhti cup.

Amir reza Masoumi account on instagram with blue tick ( so the main genuine account) doesn’t have any posts since April so I haven’t seen any angry posts there but perhaps he had put up one and then deleted it- who knows. But he does not seem to be reacting to his loss on instagram at the moment https://www.instagram.com/amirrezamasoumi125?igsh=MW4za2d5cm1kc2FyMw==

For sure street fight is different to wrestling. If you want to be good at street fights learn to be good at street fights. If you want to be an athlete then wrestling is a good option. One has good life options other is a dead end.

I agree Vafaipour is more about muscle than technique- so I agree Rahmani should be able to get past him to cement his name as a contender for 86 kg spot

There is a Persian/Arabic idiom that roughly translates as famine of men in senior positions. I wonder if USA wrestling entering a transient such era. I guess the big name is Kyle Snyder who I presume is the odds on favourite to be in the world team. If Kyle Dake does not make it I guess the next big name for USA is Zahid or have I missed someone out?

I don’t know how old Zahid Valencia is but I would imagine he has a few good seasons ahead of him. Do you think he can now pick up the mantel for the US wrestling internationally perhaps now that some of the veterans such as JB Kyle Dake DT Kyle Snyder etc are entering or entered the final stretch of their careers?

Presumably Vafaipour is not competing at 86? If he is it would be potentially interesting match up of an established veteran v talented new kid on the block. May be a bit like the old match ups between Yazdani and Tahgavi.

I think Goudatzi is coaching . I randomly come across some instagram videos of him coaching but I don’t know how active he is or which club he is doing it at.

None that is common knowledge or overtly in the public domain. They are from two adjacent counties is the southern shores of the Caspian Sea ( Zare is from Mazandaran and Massoumi is from Gilan) so they are products of different schools and are not as a a matter of course expected to train together and have deep familiarity with each other. In fact the rivalry does seem to spill over in the social media between supporters from Gilan or Mazandaran and does tend to get a bit tribal. This is quite different to Yazdani and Ghassempour and I understand they did train at times together and were/are very familiar with each other as they are from Mazandaran school as it were.

Massoumi’s results have been on an upward trajectory and he seems to be entering his senior era although Zare’s strengths are his gas tank and comparatively higher experience which may still seem him through. It feels like it will be closer than previous occasions but also too close to call for me personally.

I prefer the free style but the recent GR European and Asian competitions had interesting and watchable matches…

Yes in this context what has happened in Bulgaria makes sense. I guess it will potentially be good for Bulgarian wrestling. As far as Bahrain Albania Qatar Slovakia and Sanmarino are concerned I guess having Olympic/World/European medals is good on paper for the reputation of sporting prowess for the country. Hungry and AZE are probably happy to say we are still keeping up with the rest of them as well. Although AZE use of transfers is likely to be counterproductive for the native wrestlers based on what you and others have said.Interestingly a couple of years ago Massoumi was rumoured to be offered life changing money to move to AZE. I suspect that may still happen if he does not get past Zare as Iran rep.

I see your point. I suspect the potential future transfers need to weigh their options more carefully and opt for countries with 0 or near 0 wrestling cultures and not run the risk of backlash from the recipient countries own wrestling stakeholders. I guess any wrestler who was considering going to Bulgaria is now wise to the fact that it would not be a good move. What do you think of Valiev wrestling for Albania. What’s is the indigenous wrestling culture like there- approximately close to zero too? Having him wrestle for Albania helps or hinders indigenous development of wrestlers in Albania? Could there be benefits also for some countries in terms of encouraging wrestling within the country by taking elite world or continental medal contender transfers?

By the looks of things Bahrain is ok with having Tazhudinov and not terribly bothered about bona fide wrestlers not getting an opportunity to represent the country. I guess it also comes down to where you choose to go to.

I am not sure who will emerge the winner in the next match between Massoumi and Zare. Its too close to call for me and fun to watch out for. But to be fair to Zare, he has been quite exceptional upto now at age 24 and since he started his senior level career in 2020 (age 19 I guess) after winning multiple age level titles, over the past 4-5 years he has won 2 gold and bronze at the world and a silver and bronze in Olympic competition. This matches very respectably against anyone else tally currently active bar Sadullaev. I mean even David Taylor who has been very dominant in the 86Kg category since 2018, lost out one year due to injury, lost one year on gold to Yazdani and lost out on being a US team member due to Brooks. This is notwithstanding that Zare has had formidable competition in Akgul, Petriashvilli and Steveson etc...

If Masoumi beats Zare in Takhti cup then by definition Zare will not have fulfilled the condition to be team member. This is too close for me to call. I would not mind if Massumi or Zare for that matter competed for another country to both have a shot at the world title. Perhaps Bahrain ? Also who are going to be the 97 Kg contenders? Is Azapira able to compete? Babaloo? Azimi? Goleij?

There are occasional matches when an ultra passive wrestler loses 2 shot clock points at 2-0 which but actually this would be the correct result as the more passive wrestler would have perhaps lost by more than that if they chose a more attacking strategy. There are a couple of Taha Akgul matches against Zare where Akgul lost 2 shot clock points in the match but that was a fair outcome as if he had chosen the direct attacking and less defensive approach the loss would have been with a higher difference. The shot clock rule correctly help determine the winner. With random assignments of the criteria these situations would be less fairly determined and may promote more defensive approach .

I would be very much interested to see Masoumi vs Geno as well as against Zare

I think the massoumi that lost to Zare has improved a lot. For example when lost to munkthur a couple of years ago he lost points which I thought were due to inexperience. He was very dominant yesterday against munukhtur. I think the past score massoumi vs Zare is now not an indicator of what may happen in the future anymore.

I guess the elephant in the room now in terms of discussion merit worthiness is Massoumi. Is he now better than Zare? Is there anyone active in the weight class better than him?