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Good. I think we'd avoid a lot of the petty and performative politics, the histrionics on both sides. We should do this with more things IMO. Put this would put the power in the hands of the people, out of the politicians and it'd take one issue off the table that the political parties use to fundraise, so I don't anticipate it happening. Same thing that should be done with weed in my opinion. Or whatever policy that's simplistic enough to be dealt with via a yes or a no.

Well, that's just you projecting then. I never assigned a value to her life. That's not my place and I don't know anything about her. I was pointing out the conflicting positions. I don't know what your Niece's struggles are. Has she lived her life bedridden and unaware of what's going on? It's actually not my business. That's more the point I was going for. You made the statement that in the particular case I mentioned, you didn't think that a politician should have a say. That it should be between the Doctor and the parents. Then you seem to change that for the "stupid and selfish." How do you propose we legislate that? Either politicians have a say or the parents/Doctors have the final say.

YES! Oh...I cannot remember who this was. It shouldn't be hard to find...but I'm going off memory. I THOUGHT it was a future teammate and then instead of those two wresting, Askren wrestled LeVesseur. I want to say it was a kid named Tidwell when they were Juniors? It COULD have been that Jacob Shlottke. I thought he was a 140/145 when Levesseur was a 152. I remember we saw them and they moved him (and all their top kids all over the place almost hunting losses...which almost never happened to Apple Valley back then). But I do remember Levesseur kinda dominating Askren at the Christmas Tournament(which is where I believe this took place).

Yes. Strange how he was still an active member of the team with no plans to transfer until they brought in Lamont...and then he transferred. This was all about Lamont and hurt feelings. And it's weird because Burwick should be beating him by this point(I don't have much faith in guys who spend the off-season Wrestling Greco improving in Folkstyle). But it's over. You can find a new boogeyman and I guess you guys can accuse your own school of lying now since...they came out and said the SAME thing we've been saying on here for a very-very long time.

Dude...are you following what's going on or what happened AT ALL? Nebraska basically just came out and said there was nothing Wisconsin could do. They supported his effort to transfer. They said they did not properly inform him of the date by which he had to enter the portal. Nebraska itself said there was no possibility for a "No Participation Opportunity," waiver. Do you really NOT understand what that means? I'll break it down for you. Lets say Stanford would have cut Wrestling after Griffith won it in '21. Well...obviously he'd look to transfer, right? NOW the Athletic Department could have signed off on that saying, "there is NOT an opportunity for him to compete because...we don't have a Wrestling program." Now, luckily they do still have one, it's great for the sport. But do you...seriously not understand even Nebraska at this point is basically saying it wasn't on Wisconsin(and CERTAINLY not on Bono...that's just asinine).

Yeah, they really didn't. Had had an opportunity to compete. AGAIN, it'd would have taken the UW administration to have lied in order to sign a waiver to allow him Wrestle for another team...which would have led to questions about WHY he was no longer ABLE to compete in his sport. And Wisconsin's answer would have been.....what? He didn't want to compete with the guy they recruited. That is not losing an opportunity to compete. I thought he could beat out Lamont, but I get it, in College sports now, it's easier to transfer and take the easier route than to fight through and try and win a spot.

You know what wouldn't be a waste of time? Each state just put it to a referendum. Let the people decide. Should abortion be legal; Yes or No? Should Planned Parenthood be Federally Funded; Yes or No? State referendums can't overrule the Hyde Amendment, so you'd be funding basic health care for women, family planning, etc... This is preliminary polling; https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/religious-landscape-study/compare/views-about-abortion/by/state/ And then they voted in Kansas and it went from 49 to 49 to overwhelming voter turnout(good thing, right?) and it was a landslide in favor pro-choice. What are we doing here? Why can't we deal with some of these fundamental issues via referendums?

I don't take it as anything against my Cousin. The Child was literally NOT viable. It did not look like a human child. It was horrific. She didn't just make a choice that this child would be too much trouble or that she didn't want to deal with the hassle. She was told the child would be a still born. That it was born alive was a fluke of monumental proportions. It was under 2 pounds, it was blind...it did not have 10 fingers and 10 toes. See, now THIS is where I agree with you; And this is where YOU don't agree with YOU. This two comments...which come one after another are at direct odds with each other. It kinda feels like you think people who share your beliefs should have politicians stay out of their decisions between a Doctor and the Patient, but the "stupid and selfish" ones should not.

Ok...so what is the child is born with horrific birth defects and they're not going to make it? Do they intubate? Try and keep them alive as long as humanly possible? My Cousin...4 kids at the time, had her 5th. About 6 months in found it it wasn't viable. There was a CHANCE it would be born alive, but it was NOT in good shape. She had the option of aborting it, she chose not to, gave birth, it was alive and they asked if they wanted to put it on a ventilator, etc... My Cousin said no because it was just cruel. I don't recall what exactly the disorder was, but it had an organ on the outside, it had certain parts of his body only partially developed and it was in agony. But they COULD have kept it alive for a few weeks maybe. Is THAT what this bill advocates? Why are they so concerned with dictating what a Doctor and a Mother choose to do?

Well, Lee's not a 4-timer, but I'll assume he is. I also will only compare Dake to Lee in College. I'll go with Dake...by a wide margin(margins get pretty slim in such rarified air)...but winning it at '41, '49, '57, '65 and some of the guys he beat along the way...it's just more impressive to me. I'm not sure I'd take Lee over Yianni. Both have Won Titles with torn ACLs. Yianni has a Silver Medal in Freestyle. Pretty big accomplishment. 2 losses...one to Gomez, one to a guy who played 2,3,4,5. So...pretty good Wrestler.

Ahh...is that funny? This has been over ad nauseum. It's not Bono's call. It was the Athletic Departments. They supported allowing him wrestling. They couldn't sign a sheet that said he was not provided the opportunity as he CLEARLY was. He choose to leave because they recruited Lamont. And he choose to not educate himself on the rules with regard to transferring. Now, the Badger came out and very clearly said, "we did not inform him when he had to transfer by," in an effort to support his appeal. Ignorance of the rules didn't work. And then I'm sure Rivera and Clark after Lamont probably contributed to his decision. But recruiting a transfer with a more successful resume does not equate to a lack of opportunity. So he could be wearing a Neb, Wisconsin or NDST logo, it doesn't change the facts. It's entirely up to the NCAA at this point. There was nothing else Wisconsin could have done other than lie and say Burwick had absolutely no opportunity at Wisconsin...which was obviously NOT the case.

It is not. That's objectively false. It was NEVER up to Bono.

Right, that makes sense. But in state or out of state, it doesn't impact the 9.9. For instance, if PSU has 20 guys from Penn on Scholarship from in State, it's not like they could only have 10 if they were out of state(for the sake of argument, it's exactly twice as much to go to PSU for an out of state athlete). The 9.9 is just an NCAA rule. How the school comes up with it or how they navigate it is entirely up to them...I believe. MAYBE the conference in the case of the B1G.

LOL...I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or serious? Is this a joke about the people who think they wrestle better stoned or did someone seriously say this!

That's not a joke. I had teammates who used to come into the practice room SOOO paranoid and absolutely WREEKING of weed. I...would have, but I didn't like it. But the funniest part(other than them thinking they were fooling anyone) was...they wrestled their asses off. They were like cats in a burlap sack...just all practice. One of them was one of those dumb-smart guys. A math major who'd wonder aloud "how do fans work." Anyway, his explanation was "it turned his brain off when he wrestled." And that actually made some sense to me. One of the biggest problems you have is getting guys to shoot and commit to shots. Well...he shot like a M1 Thompson when he was high. Now...we can go back to shitting on Illinois!

That's what I always believed...but I suppose it's possible individual schools handle it differently. Particularly when Wrestling was the redheaded step child and it was dying a slow, painful death. Seems to have regained a little steam with the MMA tie in and the sport growing in popularity.

That was my understanding. A scholarship was a scholarship. It didn't cost the Wrestling program more to take a kid from out of state than it did in-state. There were guys we lost because we didn't have reciprocity and we only offered partials, but it didn't cost US more to give them scholarships. But I was a student...so I don't know if that's the norm or if it's different from program to program perhaps, conference to conference.

Can someone explain this to me though? How is the school saving money? I can see how the student would be. Say you get 50%...does it really matter to the program or the school from their end? Wouldn't it matter more for the athlete who's still got to pay that 50%? Obviously most Wrestlers aren't getting 100% full rides. Those are...very rare. I remember a couple of kids on my team being pretty excited when they qualified for in-state(IIRC, it was 2 years after establishing residency). The Athletic Dept was pretty good at working with them and helping in that regard from what I understand...but I don't quite get how it helps the program? It's not like they pay for the scholarship, right? They're not paying 40,000$ to the school if a kid is on full scholarship...? Looks like everyone is pretty much in agreement on this thread, so tell me what I'm getting wrong here? Obviously it's something.

Yeah...of course he's still Wrestling Folkstyle during practice. I'm talking about on the Sr circuit. I'm talking about outside of the College Season. On the Sr level...when most College Wrestlers are improving, taking the next step...he hasn't.

LOL...I've never seen someone this personally offended at the idea that you slightly change the rules in Wrestling. Do you lose a little power if that happens bud? Do you no longer get to pick which kid is too "ignorant" about Wrestling to stop it? What exactly personally offended YOU in the mere suggestion that the Bow and Arrow should MAY be banned as it's effectively a submission move? And I wasn't bragging about being in my 30s. Just replying to the inference that this was somehow self serving because...well, I just wasn't tough enough to deal with it!

Yeah, that's fair. But you're always going to have bad refs. If we start using that as a rationale to not change a rule... Plus, this is already the rule at the HS level. So if they can figure it out, I'm sure the College Refs can.

Jesus...this was NOT easy to get through. Yeah, I'm done pal. I'm in my 30s, I wrestled for 20 years. I don't need to pick another sport. I think I can still have an opinion on a move. What I can't do it decipher some of this nonsense and respond to it. No scenario was made up. You inferred it was SO outrageous that a kid could get hurt that in your wealth of experience..."I gave reffed for about 5 years…" you've NEVER seen anyone hurt from it. You still had to stop it. Oh and then apparently there were those other times; Huh...so all these times you've had to stop the bow and arrow, but it's NO different than any other move and there's no danger. And if a kid looks hurt...well, then he MUST be faking it! I made up a scenario? Huh...and what scenario did I "make up?" What did I post that didn't come DIRECTLY from you? Please by all means, post where I lied?

Seems like he's focusing on Greco now. How many guys that focus on Greco have regressed or failed to live up to the hype in College? It's a LONG list. Who's the last Greco guy to win a NC? Schultz could do it at HWT I guess. I don't think he will, but he's been in the finals. But who's the last guy who focused on Greco to win it in March?

LOL...ok. You've NEVER seen anyone hurt from this move(other than faking it I guess). But you STILL felt the need to stop it at the cadet level because you decided a kid was too ignorant and had no idea how to react...to the totally legal move? So what? Why is that a problem if injury is SUUUCH a far fetched idea? Do you also stop kids who don't know how to defend double legs? But sure, everyone who doesn't agree with you is ignorant.