Tripnsweep

Ok so let's imagine that registering to vote when you aren't eligible to do so, or are registering under somebody else's name. Nobody can really answer this question: What is the incentive to do so? Because there isn't some high risk high reward. You don't gain anything. When people lie about how masses of illegal immigrants are registering to vote supposedly, I wonder if the people who repeat that lie have suffered brain damage. There is no incentive for somebody who isn't eligible to vote, to register to vote. There are only negative possibilities that come from it. People who are here illegally, I don't think they are looking to put their name down on any kind of official government list, with their address and name. That kind of defeats the purpose of them being here and trying to stay under the radar. It actually makes so little sense, I wonder if people who claim this happens regularly forget how to walk and breathe at the same time. That must be why only advanced geniuses with investigative powers of perception beyond those of mortal men like @Husker_Du are the only ones aware of this vast conspiracy.

I'm not talking about Detroit. I don't live there, I don't know how they do things. I'm telling you why it's a bad idea. Because some people don't need an ID or care about it because they don't need one. I would guess there's other communities where that is the same. Also if you have proof of mass fraud as you say, then you should switch careers because you apparently found what nobody else could find. In fact you're wasting time arguing here when you should be off presenting your obviously superior knowledge of election law and procedures.

They essentially live in a different country. Their way of life existed long before this country did. And you don't like it because it forces our norms on theirs? Give me a ***ducking** break.

You don't face the issues people do who live on the nation do. So forcing them to do things our way, when they live by a different set of laws and way of life isn't right. When you don't have a car, live in a remote area without water and or electric service, and get mail once a month, then you might be able to have a say in it.

They vote by mail mostly. They have a tribal ID number and register using that or something. Most people don't realize the reservation is a separate nation, they have their own laws and customs that we don't get much of a say in. Some of the local ones nearby the city here basically ignore our laws when it comes to certain things. When I was doing my training working for the county years ago, we had to have a guy come in and explain that if any of us working for the court had cases that involved tribal members who lived on the reservation, we couldn't enforce those orders ourselves since it would be violating their tribal sovereignty. We had to hand it off to the tribal magistrate who would supposedly review it and decide whether to do anything. In the words of one of the old timers in my office he confirmed that doing that was like "pissing into the wind". In essence if a tribal member does something wrong off the reservation and is able to get back onto their reservation where they live, they can escape consequences for some things. Around here it's usually things like DUI, shoplifting, etc because by the time the police get to it, they're gone and the local police have no power on the reservation, and the rez cops aren't exactly known for their speediness either. Also since whatever they're accused of didn't happen on the reservation, so there isn't much they can or will do besides give them a lecture about doing dumb things. So when it comes to nuances like voting, in rural places, they don't need the same things we do because they are so far removed from us. Their parents and grandparents got on without, and they do too. It's a separate nation that has their ways, and both culturally and administratively does things their way.

I lived in a reservation border town for a few years. Even back then saying that to someone could earn you a fight pretty quickly. I don't think you are comprehending what the nation here is like. Most of it is rural, news takes a long time to reach people, and a lot of them either don't have basic modern convenience we do. Some don't care. They don't have a need for ID because they are on their land, living the same way for years. If they need something they don't need to show ID because people know them. The tribal police, etc aren't going to hassle them nor will anyone else. It's a huge area, bigger than a lot of states, that has about 300,000 people on it, and at least 2/3 live in a rural area. A lot don't even have a proper address, which is why on voter registration forms it says to draw a map of you don't know or have a numerical address. Also if you throw in a deep distrust of outsiders, specifically white people, then they're much less likely to have those things unless it's absolutely necessary. Like leaving the nation to go to school or work somewhere else. It's a much different culture that I wouldn't expect to confirm to our ideals.

Trump thinks this is the work of immigrants. https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-insists-he-was-right-about-everything-after-wrongly-tying-new-orleans-attack-to-immigration/ Even though this guy is from Texas.

They aren't unsophisticated. The nation is huge, mostly rural, and a lot of people live in small communities where they live in traditional ways. And the fact you're using the word "injun" says plenty.

No they aren't.

What a racist thing to say.

There are a large number of natives in my state who lack the needed documents to get an ID. Per tribal standards they're fine, but the state doesn't accept their lack of birth certificate, or other things they might have. Add to that, most of the communities are rural, spread out on a territory more than twice the size of West Virginia, that spans 3 states, and a good portion of which lacks either running water, electricity or both. That the nearest post office might be hours away. So disenfranchisement of a large number of people because their traditions don't give them the ability to easily acquire something like a state issued drivers license or ID card.

Maybe they can reanimate Hugo Otopalik.

What should they be doing in your obviously expert opinion as a counter/anti terrorist specialist?

Maybe he doesn't like immigrants.

Another Army veteran.

My immediate response was this could have been a cyber truck malfunction because they just issued a recall order for the tire pressure system being faulty. And who knows if that was really the problem. These things look idiotic and poorly designed.

Like finding out your priest likes kiddie stuff. People who do weird stuff keep it hidden from people close to them because they don't want them to know. Once they dig into this guy they'll find the weirdos he's associated with.

Even if ASU did kick a field goal, there may have been enough time left for Texas to come back and tie or win. So you can't say for sure ASU would have won, but they definitely would have been in a very good position to do so in regulation. The non call could have definitely changed the game, but it at least gives some intrigue as to what might have been.

I can tell you that same attitude is alive and well with conservatives here and in other places. Part of what drives people to be angry at politicians they don't like and perceive as being a problem, and why we have domestic anti government terrorism as our number one domestic threat according to the FBI.

"I don't know what targeting is."

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/arizona/politics/2014/10/21/sinema-challenger-gammill-veterans-fend-selves/17672529/

You really don't understand this then. Go sit in the corner and eat paste.

Well obviously this is a lie because what I said wasn't seen by anyone else, admittedly it was a crude insult, so obviously it offended you enough into banning me. Not anymore. There's a difference between pretending to be intelligent and actually being intelligent. You are definitely the former.

Nice no call on an obvious targeting when ASU would have been able to win in regulation.

A born and raised American who was honorably discharged from the Army after 9 years. Apparently nobody saw any signs of him becoming radicalized and so far nothing about his online activities. His family seems pretty surprised.