uncle bernard

@Husker_Du Here's a question. Trump handed out over $20 billion in aid to farmers during his term. He increased it significantly from where it was. That is direct wealth redistribution from the tax payer to farmers. Is that not socialism to you? What about the $800 billion in Covid relief checks? $1800/person paid for by the rich? How is that not socialism to you? Genuinely curious how you feel about these things?

In your mind, what is the difference between Bernie and FDR? Is the Conservative Party of Canada a socialist party? They support single-payer healthcare. The Tories? Them too. Every conservative party outside the US in the developed world does. Is the US the only non-communist country in the developed world? I'm genuinely curious what you think.

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Willie, go look at FDR's policies and compare them to Bernie's. They're nearly identical. Is the UK a Socialist country? Canada? France? Germany? Bernie is a standard Labour Party member over there. Government Healthcare and Welfare.

No, that's what it's always meant. When you say leftist, the word you actually mean is liberal. You may see them as synonymous, but there are deep ideological divides. Leftist = anticapitalist, anti-imperialist ; Liberal = capitalist, imperialist Bill Maher is a liberal. Liberals have always supported empire and capitalism. If you're referring to Ukraine, Liberals have gone nuts on that because of so-called "Russiagate." That is not a leftist thing and nearly every major leftist outlet and organization has been calling for a cease-fire since the first days of the invasion. You have a very narrow sense of the history of political development which is what happens when you get all of your political news and views from twitter conservatives. Ban is right. The "Left" in America used to be much stronger. Bernie would have been a mainstream democrat from 1930-1970. He's nothing more than an FDR "new deal democrat." The Communist Party USA used to have millions of card carrying members. Eugene Debs ran for president for the Socialist Party from prison in 1920 and received nearly a million votes. America in general was a far more "left-believing" country prior to the Reagan Revolution. High taxes and wealth redistribution through a robust welfare state were the common sense beliefs of the public through the golden age that modern conservatives pine for. Following the 1970's recession, Reagan stormed to power and ended the FDR era. The neoliberal turn by the Democratic Party led by the Clintons ensured it wouldn't return for a long time (or ever).

What concrete things does he support to make him a leftist? Wealth redistribution? No. Racial Justice? No. Does he oppose the US empire/military industrial complex? Hasn't seen a war in the Middle East that doesn't make him rock hard. Hating religion and loving drugs doesn't make you a leftist. He's a centrist democrat who likes to smoke.

Bill Maher is not a leftist. He’s always hated Muslims.

I missed it, did Palestine displace millions of Israelis from their homes? In your analogy, every Ukrainian counter offensive is an invasion of Russia.

It’s bad and makes your acceptance of Israel doing the same thing incomprehensible.

Because they know that Israel will never let those refugees back in the country. It’s ethnic cleansing and effectively the end of any dream of Palestinian statehood. edit: just found this article if you want a more thorough explanation : https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/10/13/egypt-gaza-border-palestinian-refugees-israel/#

Israel just shelled 3 journalists in Lebanon, killing one and wounding 3 others. Targeting journalists is an IDF pastime. @Offthemat and @Bigbrog should watch the video below. It's horrifying, but they need to see what they support.

Nowhere. Gaza is sealed off. Furthermore, it is impossible to move over 1 million people (half of which are under 18) when they have no water, electricity, internet and half of their infrastructure has been destroyed. Israel is well aware of that. They are setting the ground for an act of genocide. Remaining civilians who aren't able to move will be treated as Hamas militants and killed or imprisoned. North Gaza will be ethnically cleansed. @Offthemat is a genocidal lunatic.

We're slowly but surely getting to the point where they admit that they don't view Palestinians as human and it's okay to kill them. It would be nicer if they were honest about it up front instead of pretending.

How many Palestinians?

Human Rights Watch condemning Israel for using chemical weapons in Lebanon. Not the first time they've been accused of using White Phosphorous.

Most Palestinians weren't alive or were toddlers the last time there was an election in Gaza and Hamas took power in 2006. That may sound crazy but it's true. 65% of Gaza's population is under 24. How do you distinguish between innocent Israeli's and the apartheid government? It's a stupid question meant to excuse murder.

And yet Israel routinely kills Palestinians in the West Bank. What was the point of this post? It adds nothing. You say Palestinians are not their opponent, but they have no problem killing thousands of them apparently. Simple question: How many Palestinian civilians would have to die in this Israeli action for you to say they went overboard?

@Bigbrog criticizes Hamas. Therefore, he supports the killing of Palestinians. Nearly 1500 now, including 400+ children. Do you finally see how stupid your logic is?

you don't actually agree with that though. it's exactly what i've said the entire thread (as he's pointing out).

Like I've said multiple times, my views mirror the views of many Israeli's. The Israeli government didn't pull the trigger, but it put its people in the crosshairs and begged the shooter to pull the trigger. Headline from award winning Israeli journalist Gideon Levy: "Israel Can’t Imprison Two Million Gazans Without Paying a Cruel Price" Editorial Board of Haaretz: "Netanyahu Bears Responsibility for This Israel-Gaza War" More Headlines: "The Demolition Contractor of the Israeli Soul" (Netanyahu) "Why Did Netanyahu Want to Strengthen Hamas?" "Israelis Must Maintain Their Humanity Even When Their Blood Boils" "Amid Gaza War, Israel's Emergency Gov't Must Throw Out National Security Minister Ben-Gvir" (Ben-Gvir is a genocide supporter convicted of racial and terrorism incitement in 2007, leader of one of the largest right wing voting blocks)

You are bad at reading and reasoning. Go back to junior high and try again.

I don't agree with your reasons for doing so, but completely agree with trying as much as possible to limit internet time. It melts brains. Ironically, the boomers have probably been hit hardest. Zero internet literacy + an era of information saturation is not a good mix lol.

If you are genuinely afraid of this scenario, you are totally missing the source of this threat. Your number one priority should be keeping your kid off the internet. No smart phones, tablets, or computers. That's where kids actually see and learn the things you're talking about. It's almost 100% self-education via the internet.

My mom runs a small Christian preschool at our church. She's had multiple prospective families ask if they teach "woke ideology." They're three years old. People have lost their minds.

once he saw that I didn't unconditionally support Israel's right to shed civilian blood, he lost his mind and everything else was a blur. He supports killing civilians (as long as they're Palestinians). I don't. I'm very comfortable with my position.