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Bin Laden's justification for 9/11

Opium production down 95% since the US pulled out of Afghanistan. Weird….

that’s fine. it’s still ethnic cleansing if they do it. doesn’t matter if you think they deserve it.

"who is talking about forcible removal?" "there are palestinians fearing for their life that want to leave" who are they afraid of? fleeing under threat of death is forcible removal. will Israel commit to letting them return after the war? if not, that's ethnic cleansing. Also, many Israeli's are pretty open about wanting to forcibly remove them. In fact, many of them want to kill all the arabs. You see that at almost every major Israeli rally. A government minister just advocated nuking Gaza (nukes they aren't even supposed to have btw).

@Bigbrog @GreatWhiteNorth Here Israel's Intelligence Ministry is arguing they should ethnically cleanse Gaza. That's pretty definitive. Nobody can credibly say ethnic cleansing is off the table here.

I've condemned Hamas explicitly over and over again. As for ethnic cleansing, we are talking about a hypothetical scenario where IF Israel forces the Palestinians to leave (which many Israeli politicians have said publicly btw), that would be ethnic cleansing. And that is a major reason surrounding countries will not take in a mass migration of refugees. They don't want to be party to ethnic cleansing in that scenario. Half the problem in this thread is you guys get so spitting mad, you start arguing against positions nobody is advocating. You're just yelling into the void.

I think you're greatly underestimating the power of this political issue. But you're right that security concerns definitely play a part. Hamas would certainly have cells among the refugees and start operating out of the Sinai.

imagine this was your daily reality

I had personal finance education starting in middle school. I'm sure not every school does it, but it definitely exists. Getting kids to pay attention is another story.

of course hamas doesn’t follow international law. they are a terrorist group. israel is supposed to be a civilized country who follows the law. if you disagree and think they’re a terror state, that’s fine, but i have higher expectations for a country that receives billions in taxpayer money.

you have serious issues with reading comp. willie asked why arab countries aren’t letting refugees in. in this hypothetical situation, if egypt were to let in all the palestinian refugees and Israel did not let them return, that would be ethnic cleansing. that is what egypt is afraid of. we were discussing a hypothetical. i don’t know how to make it more clear for you. this is data for progress all over again.

also just pointing out that israel said civilians would be safe in south gaza, but bombed it anyway. at some point, you guys have to give israel some of the blame for the damage here, even if you think they’re on the right side. they are not following international law. civilians always die in war, but not at this scale. israel has already killed more civilians in 3 weeks than russia has killed in nearly 2 years of war. claims that they try to avoid civilian harm are not serious.

not in the final result. if egypt opens the door, the palestinians are forced in to escape the bombing and not allowed to return, egypt will be blamed in the arab world forever for allowing israel to ethnically cleansed gaza. im not saying it’s a good thing. i’m just telling you that is the political reality and the main reason they aren’t letting them in right now. obviously, the palestinians are the ones suffering for this political game between israel and the arab world, but that’s not new.

you wrote a lot of words addressing something we aren’t talking about. willie is asking why other countries don’t let in all the palestinians. THAT (the forcible removal of Palestinians from Palestine) would be ethnic cleansing. hamas is a terrorist org. doesn’t change the fact that if the palestinians are removed from gaza, it would be ethnic cleansing. and that’s the hypothetical willie brought up.

your reasoning is that they’re indirectly helping ethnic cleansing by not allowing civilians to flee violence and your solution is that they should be directly aiding in ethnic cleansing instead.

a grown man who calls himself “the brain” seriously can’t wrap his mind around why Egypt doesn’t want to be a part of ethnic cleaning lol stupid beyond belief i guess not that surprising considering he accidentally proposed ethnic cleansing as his ideal solution lol

plus, there are already millions of palestinian refugees in surrounding countries. this narrative that they don’t take anybody is factually incorrect. they just won’t sign on to a mass transfer

not just because “they’ll never go back” but because they would be aiding in the ethnic cleansing of a people that have been an important cause for muslims for 75 years. it’s an unforgivable offense in the eyes of the people and untenable politically. your view is that they want to cause tension? my guy, letting the Israeli’s cleanse Gaza would cause 100x as much tension. It would probably start a regional war. baby brained take

unbelievable that willie can’t imagine why an arab country wouldn’t want to help israel expel the palestinians forever. yeah that would go over super well for them politically lol

no that’s not why. of course they could take them in. you’ve been told. they won’t take them in because Israel will never let them return. Egypt (or any arab country) wants no part in ethnically cleansing Gaza. It’s a political issue.

you’ve been given this answer multiple times. it’s pretty cut and dry

You can eliminate Hamas (maybe), but a new group will spring up in its place if the consequence of eliminating Hamas is the ethnic cleansing of Gaza and the West Bank (unless you commit a full genocide and kill all the Palestinians). Then you have Hezbollah, Houthis, Iran, etc… As long as Israel’s focus is on military occupation, it will never have a hope of normalizing relations with its neighbors. It will always be under threat. Stealing the land isn’t just wrong. It’s stupid.

why would the IDF claim civilian casualties it *didn’t* cause? you guys are shameless

in this case you’re wrong. israel not only confirmed the strike but is touting it as a success. possible video