PortaJohn

4 hours ago, mspart said:

 

Hey PortaJohn,  This is just my opinion.   Gable's style may have been more simple but his style of coaching was very mental.   I think Gable was more intuitive about his wrestlers than Brands.    Maybe Cael is there (based on performance).   Gable was able to get the most out of his wrestlers and that wasn't based only on his simple style.   It was his ability to give each individual what they needed to succeed mentally.   I won't say it was smarter, he just saw his wrestlers differently and knew them and worked them in a way they needed to be worked.   Brands is not there.   I see Brands as a ground and pound guy, devoid of nuance. 

mspart

Yes I agree.  The mental genius of Gable as a wrestler himself and when coaching his guys was top notch.  I agree that Brands is not on the same level as Gable when it relates to  sports psychology.  But, I do believe Brands is as knowledgeable when it comes to technique, positioning, etc etc. 

2 hours ago, CHROMEBIRD said:

But I do think that Gable was much smarter than both Brands and Sanderson.

Definitely disagree with that statement.  Gable's style is more simple.  This is not meant to be a knock on him.  Let's say more like Khabib's approach to MMA.  But all three men you listed have equal IQ's in terms of wrestling

On 3/20/2023 at 5:00 PM, BobDole said:

Arena 4/10- Been attending for the last 16 years and by far the worst arena as far as space in the back. The floor space was great as there was plenty of room around the mats. Floor space is the only reason the arena got a 4.

Town 3/10- I think Tulsa is a place you need to have experience in to get the lay of the land. Closing off streets around the arena was weird especially when most people are using GPS to get around. It was hard to get to your specific lot if that is what you were looking for. Downtown didn't have much past the couple bars right across the street. 

Hotels/Restaurants 4/10- Hotels were suspect and luckily I got into a decent one. Way too many Super 8's and not enough Holiday Inn Expresses. I only ate three meals out, but the food wasn't anything to write to mom about.

Wrestling 10/10- Exciting tournament from the starting whistle to the last. 

Weather 1/10- Horrible weather, cold, windy, ugh.... come on Oklahoma get that together.

It was better than expected, but somewhere I think would be better if I had been Tulsa before knowing all the nooks and crannies to find food and lodging.

This review wont help you on the campaign trail

6 hours ago, Matthew Burns said:

David Taylor's loses came from matchups where he was bullied; Dake and Jenkins. Joe Williams certainly fits that mold.

Bullied?  He got beat by one move against Jenkins and loss 3 close matches to Dake in one year.  You're rewriting history.

6 hours ago, Matthew Burns said:

Nolf's losses are to Isiah Martinez who was freakishly strong in his stance, an analog for Zalesky.

We're using freshman year Nolf as a reference?  Ok.  Sorry to break it to you freshman year Zalesky had 5 losses & placed 5th.

6 hours ago, Matthew Burns said:

From neutral I'll take McIlravy all day over Retherford. Train will have to score his points on the mat, but that's his wheelhouse.

My take from the beginning was that PSU would win every bout after 149 unless Iowa wrestled sophomore year Mocco

6 hours ago, Matthew Burns said:

I was hopeful that a few guys would actually talk strengths, weaknesses, and matchups. The whole " modern wrestlers are vastly superior" argument doesn't hold water. That's no my opinion, but the words of modern wrestlers. The whole "coach still kicks everyone's tail" is a common story; Sanderson, Brands, Bono, Zeke, all still schooling the young bucks.

No they're not.  

58 minutes ago, ionel said:

Schultz & Sheets would tear a "modern day" wrestler's arm or leg off.

No they wouldn't.  With the skills they had in their era they'd be lucky to AA in the modern era

1 hour ago, Phantom said:

 Sure..Athletes, along with the many sports have obviously evolved.  Basic fundamentals in wrestling has existed for a long time, and they will always work. 

When does modern day start? Is Cael modern day?

No, Cael is not modern day. The crop of wrestlers starting in the late first decade of the 2000 changed what we see today

35 minutes ago, Phantom said:

Recency bias is a powerful thing...

No, it's facts.  Modern day wrestlers are much better

1 hour ago, cangemi said:

Why is Nickal not a coin flip with Campbell.?

 

because hes 10x better.  Many modern day wrestlers who have never won a national championship would beat most of Iowa's best ever from the 80's early 90's

18 minutes ago, Matthew Burns said:

I'll say Iowa wins the three lightest weights out the gate. Even if I mess with the Lineup and start;

Barry Davis, Mark Ironside, Tom Brands.

The only match I don't see as a coin flip would be Nickal at 197. That's a lot of matches to steal.

 

 

 

Penn State would rip through that Iowa lineup after the lightweights except if Iowa started sophomore year Mocco

9 minutes ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

Iowa's best crushes that lineup and it's not even close

 

Iowa

125 Spencer Lee (3x champ)

133 Tom Brands (3x champ, Olympic gold)

141 Jeff McGinness (2x champ)

149 Incoln McIlravy (3x champ, Olympic bronze)

157 Jim Zalesky (3x champ)

165 Joe Williams (3x champ, Olympian)

174 Joe Scarpello (3x champ)

184 Ed Banach (3x champ, Olympic gold)

197 Chris Campbell (2x champ, Olympic bronze)

HWT Lou Banach (2x champ, Olympic gold)

How does Iowa crush that lineup? Penn State would win every match after 149

4 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

2.  Shouldn’t he train somewhere besides NLWC with Dake there?

Just my personal opinion but I think training with Dake would be his best strategy.  

4 minutes ago, MedicineMan said:

Finch decided not to pursue a wrestling career, instead choosing to play the French horn or golf or something.

You're facts are a little off.  He joined the CIA and was instrumental in Tony Mendez's rescue of six US diplomats during the Iran hostage crisis.  The movie Argo is based on those events

9 hours ago, scourge165 said:

Part of the reason I think he'll pursue #4 and #5. The History of it being far more significant. Hell, if things go as I suspect they will in '24, he may be more invested than ever in '25. 

He's been on record about having no desire to go for #5.  

2 hours ago, Crotalus said:

Does he have an opportunity to make any more money training for freestyle full time than if he stayed in college? I understand how the threat of leaving could get him a little more NIL money, but he doesn't have a ton of leverage because he may make less money if he leaves. His name will ultimately be worth a lot more in the wrestling world if he has 4 or 5 titles. 

Lets assume he goes the Gable Stevenson route and signs a NIL deal with a MMA manager.  They'll decide his best course of action.  Ditching college and medaling on the world stage might be the better career plan.  I personally think it would be a bad plan because I don't care how much he believes in himself Carter ain't beating Dake. 

8 minutes ago, ionel said:

She married a portajohn, how much worse can it get?   ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I'll find out when Peequal arrives

I bit the bullet and did the survey.  Mail order bride arrives in 7-10 business days.  Don't know how I'm going to explain this to the old lady.  

Have a hunch he's pressing to maximize his NIL deal.  Doesn't get paid then he's out.  It's a new era fellas

16 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

This isn’t true in regards to top stalling.  Based on the clarification that was released, much of what we’ve complained about here is not stalling by rule (although it should be).

You are correct on top stalling.  I should've clarified that my issue is with the step out rule. 

7 minutes ago, Eagle26 said:

5. Step out - Yes! Every fear everyone has about this rule has been squashed by the huge success it has been in freestyle. No more objective OBB stalling calls (they are all over the place), and more action in the center. Just do it and you won’t regret it.

There is a massive loop hole in the step out rule due to folkstyle having actual mat wrestling.  Coaches will train their top wrestler to drive the bottom wrestler towards the edge, release, and then push him out.  We'll all be on here bitching about it  

2 minutes ago, scribers said:

I don’t know what sort of wrestling you watch 

Jimmy likes Turkish Oil Wrestling 

Guess I'm in the minority that thinks the rules are fine and the stalling issues are due to refs not calling it.  

36 minutes ago, ionel said:

I used to have a brain, now I don't know, feel like I'm now just blindly following the leader.   

I joined for the free hard hat

1 hour ago, Threadkilla said:

They have had some good ones coming out of Easton including 2x NCAA Champs Jack Cuvo and Jordan Oliver and Olympic champ Bobby Weaver.   I think Larry Holmes is from Easton too.  

& Then a few miles down the road you have Bethlehem PA home to arguably one of the greatest wrestlers to ever walk the face of the Earth, Dwayne Johnson.  

One of the most random attacks I've ever seen on these forums.  @feet2backwhat's your beef with Princeton?

On 3/25/2023 at 5:17 PM, peanut said:

Bobby Lee was effective at holding ground among a friendly population. And holding ground included fierce counterattacks. But when Lee tried to fight in the North, he wasn't effective. (Of course, before Antietam, the outmatched McClellan obtained Lee's battle plans, which helped McClellan fight to a stalemate.)

Out west, Grant and Sherman, together, developed the idea that they were fighting an insurrection rather than a traditional war, and so they began targeting the South's capacity to fight. Grant and Sherman eventually took that strategy to the east when Grant was promoted to Commanding General of the US Army. The North won when Grant held Lee in place in Virginia while Sherman was let loose on Georgia, South Carolina, and North Carolina. (There were other raids by other generals, but Sherman's raids were the most notable.)

In the end, the South had the advantage of being able to hold ground in friendly territory, while the North had superior manpower and firepower. Eventually, the North won by exploiting its strengths.

It is sort of like how in the Lee-Ramos march, Lee had an advantage from the top position, while Ramos had an advantage from neutral. Each competitor attempted to exploit their advantage. In the semis, Ramos ended up winning by exploiting his advantage from neutral.

You're missing a huge piece of the North's victory in the Civil War. The often forgotten Anaconda Plan culminating at the siege on Vicksburg which in many ways was as important or if not more important than Gettysburg or Sherman's march.