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I don't think you find much of the prostitution world that doesn't overlap with woman who have no choices. Just like when you outlaw drugs, you don't end up with a bunch of places to buy drugs that aren't directly attached to violence. It might be caused by the criminalization, but when you choose to wade into that world, you've decided what's more important than not supporting a super dirty corner of the world.

You just made a great argument for decriminalizing prostitution. If somebody went to a prostitute in the system you are describing, then I'd agree with your earlier post that they did nothing morally wrong. That is definitely not Kyle Snyder. He knows what he is doing directly supports trafficking, and he doesn't care. So while I don't care who he has sex with or whether he pays for it, I do think it's wrong he's illegally hiring women from a disgustingly corrupt practice that traffics women.

If prostitution wasn't joined at the hip with human trafficking and women being used against their will, then you'd have some really great points here about the moral differences in paying for it directly or not paying for it directly.

Doucet isn't getting majored. He wrestled the entire 2024 season and didn't get majored by Bastida, Elam, Schultz (2X), or Keuter. If you go back to 2023 he lost to Elam, Cassiopi, and Mason Parris without them coming close to bonus. But Wyatt Hendrickson did major him 12-3 that year. That's the only time in his career going all the way back to 2021 that he's been majored. Wyatt is actually the only opponent to score 8 points in a match against him (let alone beat him by 8). He's a classic staller who will not be majored.

You said it all here.

Yep. The extra year of HS definitely turned into a bad thing.

I think what you are saying makes sense. But these guys aren't considered great because they are doing more than other age level guys. They are doing more than guys 5 years ahead of them. Great college guys like Hamiti and Keckeisen didn't win after 5 years of college. Even if Jax somehow had zero improvement ahead of him he's already doing stuff that NCAA champs 5 years older than him aren't. So take away his HS age advantage, his training advantage, and compare him to 23+ year old men and he still crushed the field. The same is mostly true of Blaze. They have gone to the highest level of American wrestling and held their own or won. They are basically world level already. The same can't be said for any other 18/19/20 year olds in the USA, even after giving a year of college to normalize age and training.

Are the 18 year olds in college accomplishing these things? If not than I don't think them being 18 as HS juniors is a sign that they aren't special. I also don't understand why you've just decided that Duke is just going to keep getting better but the other guys have already hit their ceilings. This whole post reads like a 50/50 mix of fact and fiction to create a narrative.

It's fine if you want to use a 2 year window, but I'm not sure how the 1 year window is only Jax edging out Blaze. Jax just TF'd the guy who pinned Blaze in the same tournament. In a 1 year window it's Jax ahead of Blaze and it's not him edging him out.

I've only been in Washington 3 years but I wonder about Chandler Rogers. I know he left midway through HS, but his style is so attractive to kids. Nobody was more fun to watch. What he did with a russian lends itself to a teachable system (and to opponents landing on their heads often). Mead where he and his brother Jordan went is still a bit of a power so that matters for connections and influence.

I wouldn't care how many of the years they qualified for nationals. I'd care only how many chances they got. And when the entire country got an extra year because of covid, I didn't love it, but I didn't hold it against guys who went to nationals 5 times more than I held it against guys who weren't good enough to go to nationals 5 times.

I don't get this at all. You think it should be more about whether you were good enough to start 4 times? More eligibility for guys who weren't good and less for guys who were good enough to start?

I've never felt robbed when a match ends in tech. Leg lace or not I've never felt like the better guy lost by 10 or more points. I see zero bad things about a match ending in a tech.

What needs to be defended? Why is it bad that one guy often scores a lot more than the other guy? Is it bad when too many boxing matches end in knockouts?

Why is it wrong?

I've never seen refs go back and forth. I think standard is something like track wrestling where results are real time on the internet. I think the solution to the extra ref issue is just that we don't need a ref to weigh in at a local tournament. Let them weigh in pre match in a staging area with an adult from the host school. Postseason it can be a ref. I think all of the logistical stuff can be overcome, but it requires significant changes.

This is super petty. That's okay. That's your right. But crying about people being worked up when that was your goal is sad. If you're going to go heel, go full heel. Don't go half heel and then whine about people not liking it.

Someone earlier said it wasn't rocket science and we could figure out how to do it. This seems like a great way. So you're not a rocket scientist, but you're smarter than I am for this idea. The only issue I see is that it requires an additional ref which isn't cheap or easy to staff. We are way short of refs in Washington and when they're available you spend a higher percent on refs than ever before.

I got you. You are talking about actual prosthetic limbs. Makes sense.

How does it fall in line with rules regarding prosthetics? Braces are allowed. They take time to put on. My 215 this year wrestled with a shoulder wrap brace all season that took about 2 minutes to put on, and he required another person's assistance getting it on. It definitely weight a few tenths. How do you account for it? Does he weigh in without it and then we pause while he puts it on? Or does he weigh in with it and he's out of luck because he needs a brace? I agree with the sentiment expressed elsewhere in this thread that it's not rocket science and it can be figured out. I massively disagree with the idea that he shouldn't be wrestling that day because he needs a brace.

I'm being dismissive for sure. I think the idea that you use multiple scales that are slightly different but not everybody gets to use each scale should be dismissed. It's a terrible idea. I dismiss it. If I had started the thread by saying I don't have much experience and I am just here to ask questions, and then I dismissed an idea i asked for, that would be weird.

You asked for an example of what I meant when I said you were dismissive. Here's an example. The suggestion that anyone with a brace shouldn't wrestle that day. That's a wild suggestion that protective equipment shouldn't be used.

Yep. We changed the out of bounds rules in HS wrestling last year and it was slightly better for wrestling action and terrible for the huge majority of tournaments that remove edge sections to fit more mats. There are already tables on top of action and spectators everywhere at most tournaments you attend. Now we're going to add space for scales. That's not a reason to keep allowing unsafe weight cutting procedures, but it is an actual thing that must be considered.

So you think after every scale being in play for as along as weighins existed we can just switch to one scale? Knowing that it's a short matter of time before someone misses by a tenth or two on a 'heavy' scale, when they could have made it on another mat. And you think referee judgement is what's going to make that okay? I think this is slightly more realistic than just switching to an honor system regarding weight.

For a 16 man bracket it will take 50+ minutes just for the actual matside weighins throughout the day. That has nothing to do with walking kids around. That's just assuming it will take 30 seconds per kid and a minute total for weighins for each of the 300-400 matches (spread on 6 mats). I think realistically it's longer, but that's the low end. Kids who miss weight and kids who have to check scales is completely separate and additional. The good news from a time perspective is if they miss weight than they forfeit and speed things up. But you are right that we could skip the early weigh in and make up that time. It's probably a wash from a timing perspective. Instead of 30 minutes for weighins and 60-90 for bracketing beforehand, you just end up spreading that time out throughout the day. So not longer like I said. I was wrong about that.